Tyson Fury vs. Dillian Whyte | BT PPV - 23 April 2022

[Dioufy]

Maggie,
If you keep adding to your post after you’ve posted I’m gonn write you a strongly worded direct message, you ponce.

[margaret thatcher]

It’s a bit weird in a way to suggest a fighter who gets floored a lot has a great chin. It was almost expected that Pernell Whittaker and Felix Trinadad would get off the canvas unscathed nearly every fight. People didn’t say they had iron chins, just great powers of recovery.

ya for me it's kinda a different but related thing

one is how easy it is to hurt a fighter, the other is how fast the guy recovered. fury has been hurt loads of times but clearly has excellent recovery

[Dioufy]

It’s a bit weird in a way to suggest a fighter who gets floored a lot has a great chin. It was almost expected that Pernell Whittaker and Felix Trinadad would get off the canvas unscathed nearly every fight. People didn’t say they had iron chins, just great powers of recovery.

Juan Manuel Marquez.
Great chin. Loved the floor.
Solid AF.

[Boxerbeetle]

dave allen has been with ortiz and whyte and big punching price (counted pov, thompson, hammer), never been down or close to it. he may be limited but he's fought genuine high level bangers himself. his chin is the one thing that is actually really really good

fury hardly took anything vs wlad, was hardly a wlad-wach chin display

but fury will be tough to stop no doubt, he's never stayed hurt for long

Plus Allen didn’t completely duck Pricey, like Fury blatantly did

[margaret thatcher]

[Grilling Machine]

Klitschko could be better in any given round than Whyte, and Wilder more dangerous, but neither were pressure fighters. Fury hasn't fought anyone with Whyte's 12-round attributes since Chisora in 2014.

[joshj909]

ya, but the guys with the absolute best chins havent been down at all or only a few times, or rocked several others. fury's chin defo isnt the best in the last decade, but clearly with his recovery he'll be hard to stop, he's been very reliable in fighting back even stronger after getting buzzed.

Fury could be down in every fight since McDermott and as long as he recovers as quickly and is seemingly alright and never close to being stopped I’d consider him to have a good chin.

He’s been in with Klit, Wilder x3, Del x2, amongst other stern tests. Comparing his chin with Dave Allen is not what I’d do but that’s cool.

I’ll go as far as saying that he’s not got the best chin over the last decade, and maybe not top 5 but it’s solid enough that it’s going to take something ballistic to break it.

Compubox says that Wlad landed 18 power shots on Fury. Chisora landed 141 over two fights. Ortiz landed 81 and Whyte landed 200 on Allen. Fury's head-movement also means he often rolls with the punches whereas Allen does not. We've never seen Fury take the punishment that Allen took from Price and stay on his feet.

[DrDuke]

Recovery is an interesting feature, that can be viewed both as a part of the 'chin' definition and as a part of the 'heart' definition. In any case, the Gypsy King has all that stuff.

[gregregegg]

Chins/recovery is so hard to unwind.

Gamboa was wobbled by anything, but not near knocked out by some savage combos. probably the prime example for easy to hurt, hard to put away.

I Actualy dont know the physiology behind it, truth is i dont even know the physiology behind knockouts from different spots. Is it all just brain wobbling? are chins just a good leaver or does the jaw move and block an artery for a split second (rumor i heard when i was about 9)? are equilibrium shots actualy sloshing innerear fluids or also just scrambling brain.

either way i dont think eithers getting 1 punch sparked though. if someone get hurt someone will need to finnish em and although whyte is more vicious i think fury will have the skills/attributes to survive, where as i dont think the revers is true.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Thread needs to be re-titled 'The Chin Discussion Thread'

Anyway there's many intangibles aside from chin which decide if 1 fighter gets knocked out or another fighter survives. How high do you carry your chin, how good your defense is, how well can you roll with the punches, if you can grab on and if you back up and go. Also how good your stamina is

So when Fury is hurt he has good stamina, he rolls with the punches, he grabs on and his inside defense is A Class. Fury knows how to shoulder roll and slip punches with his head movement. Where as when AJ and Wlad are hurt, they have no inside defense other than maybe holding. They can't roll with the punches. They also leave their chin out to dry carrying it high making it more vulnerable. Fury's defense and boxing skill are generally very good so he doesn't get hit very often.

Having said all that, having watched 1000s of fights over the year I can't think of another where a boxer has been knocked out like Fury was and he got up for the 10 count. And I do think Fury was OUT when he hit the canvas.

The whole Oliver McCall being unknockoutable is a bit of a myth too. McCall knocked Lennox out with a counter right hand. Because of this Lennox never totally comitted to sitting on his punches in the McCall rematch so the punches were never his biggest bombs by a long way. Bruno was hurting McCall early so McCall backed up and went into a defensive shell for much of the fight.

[margaret thatcher]

groves looked smoked when froch dropped him, even had the whole leg under body thing, but actually beat the count though the ref stopped it anyway

duhaupas vs wilder was one of the sickest chin displays, took loads of flush haymakers from wilder all fight but never went down

[polecateddy]

Thread needs to be re-titled 'The Chin Discussion Thread'

Anyway there's many intangibles aside from chin which decide if 1 fighter gets knocked out or another fighter survives. How high do you carry your chin, how good your defense is, how well can you roll with the punches, if you can grab on and if you back up and go. Also how good your stamina is

So when Fury is hurt he has good stamina, he rolls with the punches, he grabs on and his inside defense is A Class. Fury knows how to shoulder roll and slip punches with his head movement. Where as when AJ and Wlad are hurt, they have no inside defense other than maybe holding. They can't roll with the punches. They also leave their chin out to dry carrying it high making it more vulnerable. Fury's defense and boxing skill are generally very good so he doesn't get hit very often.

Having said all that, having watched 1000s of fights over the year I can't think of another where a boxer has been knocked out like Fury was and he got up for the 10 count. And I do think Fury was OUT when he hit the canvas.

The whole Oliver McCall being unknockoutable is a bit of a myth too. McCall knocked Lennox out with a counter right hand. Because of this Lennox never totally comitted to sitting on his punches in the McCall rematch so the punches were never his biggest bombs by a long way. Bruno was hurting McCall early so McCall backed up and went into a defensive shell for much of the fight.

I don’t think we should be suggesting McCall didn’t have an amazing chin. Even as an old man still fighting he still was never floored. Usually middle aged boxers get knocked out horribly, such as poor old Razor Ruddock in that Canadian fight. I even seemed to have a false memory of Bruno making McCall’s legs dip in the first couple of rounds. Looking back on the fight I couldn’t find any moments like that. Punches did just bounced off the guy.

[Dioufy]

ya, but the guys with the absolute best chins havent been down at all or only a few times, or rocked several others. fury's chin defo isnt the best in the last decade, but clearly with his recovery he'll be hard to stop, he's been very reliable in fighting back even stronger after getting buzzed.

Fury could be down in every fight since McDermott and as long as he recovers as quickly and is seemingly alright and never close to being stopped I’d consider him to have a good chin.

He’s been in with Klit, Wilder x3, Del x2, amongst other stern tests. Comparing his chin with Dave Allen is not what I’d do but that’s cool.

I’ll go as far as saying that he’s not got the best chin over the last decade, and maybe not top 5 but it’s solid enough that it’s going to take something ballistic to break it.

Compubox says that Wlad landed 18 power shots on Fury. Chisora landed 141 over two fights. Ortiz landed 81 and Whyte landed 200 on Allen. Fury's head-movement also means he often rolls with the punches whereas Allen does not. We've never seen Fury take the punishment that Allen took from Price and stay on his feet.

Fair points but if Allen got hit with the 2nd knockdown punches in the 1st Wilder fight and the 1st knockdown punch in the 3rd Wilder fight I’m not so sure he’s getting up; nevermind recovering quickly and effectively fighting back like Fury did.

[margaret thatcher]

ya, that shot from cunningham that dropped fury would've ko'd a horse too am i right

[margaret thatcher]

it's one of my pet peeves when people use the whole 'that shot from __ would've ko'd/etc anyone"

cuz people are basing that shot largely on the damage it did to dropped fighter, which is based on that fighters own durability. the right hand wilder landed in the first fight for example didnt even land clean, it wasn't some amazingly flush perfect pinpoint shot. wilder hit duhaupas with loads of loaded up, much cleaner shots that never even put him down. same in the first stiverne fight.

[Dioufy]

ya, that shot from cunningham that dropped fury would've ko'd a horse too am i right

It was a big punch. Not if the calibre of what Wilder hit him with but probably the best ever punch USS threw.

I used Marquez as an example of what I mean with Tyson’s chin. Do you think he doesn’t have a great chin?

I’ve conceded that Tyson doesn’t have the best chin in heavyweight boxing but it’s fantastic.

[Dioufy]

ya, that shot from cunningham that dropped fury would've ko'd a horse too am i right

It was a big punch. Not of the calibre of what Wilder hit him with but probably the best ever punch USS threw.

I used Marquez as an example of what I mean with Tyson’s chin. Do you think he doesn’t have a great chin?

I’ve conceded that Tyson doesn’t have the best chin in heavyweight boxing but it’s fantastic.

[margaret thatcher]

dont agree it's fantastic, he gets hurt too much for that.

wilder
wallin (light hitter)
cunningham (a guy who couldnt punch even at cruiser)
chisora
pajkic
firtha


fantastic is the guys that dont even go down, like wach, allen, ggg, canelo, mccall, chuvalo, provodnikov, etc

[Dioufy]

dont agree it's fantastic, he gets hurt too much for that. lots actually.

Define hurt. Enzo Mac and Amir Khan prime examples of being hurt on the world scene. Joshua the same.
Marquez must’ve been down 8/9 times and shaken at times badly but he’s recovered straight away and never been stopped.
The attributes of having a good chin are so varied and many. Recovery is a very important factor.
Both Marquez and Tyson have shown that and therefore I say they both have fantastic chins.

[margaret thatcher]

look above

there is a level of chin where guys dont even go down in the first place, certainly not to guys who couldnt crack an egg even in the division below. guys like those i listed above are ones i might consider in the fantastic chin range

fury's not nearly as tough to hurt if you can hit him, multiple light hitters have done it. to me that excludes him from 'fantastic' chin status. his recovery is really good though.......so was hassan ndam's, a guy who could get dropped 6x in a fight and still wins rounds and make it to the end.

[Dioufy]

dont agree it's fantastic, he gets hurt too much for that.

wilder
wallin (light hitter)
cunningham (a guy who couldnt punch even at cruiser)
chisora
pajkic
firtha


fantastic is the guys that dont even go down, like wach, allen, ggg, canelo, mccall, chuvalo, provodnikov, etc

You’re hard to please, brother,
Those name you’ve mentioned are freaks. They belong to their own category.
Absolute elite.
David Avaneysen is a fantastic fighter… is he a top 10 welter? Not sure.
He must be bang average then?

Tyson Fury has a fantastic chin. Is it the best in the last 20 years? Not even close. Still taken some flush shots (many by arguably the biggest puncher of all I time) and not really been close to being visibly hurt akin to what we see on the weekly in boxing.

Although I do concede Jack Reiss could’ve easily waved the 1st fight off at 5/6 seconds but thankfully he didn’t because Tyson was okay to continue.

[margaret thatcher]

fantastic is a high standard my man, fury's chin doesn't cut it at that level, doesn't mean it's sh!t either

[Dioufy]

fantastic is a high standard my man, fury's chin doesn't cut it at that level, doesn't mean it's sh!t either

Describe it then.

[margaret thatcher]

it's respectable but not great. he's been rocked and dropped several times, including by featherfists. to think he's even close to having the best chin in the last decade is just waaaaaaay off to me

his recovery and ability to survive when hurt are very good though

[Boxerbeetle]

Fury definitely doesn’t have a fantastic chin, not by a long stretch.