Mike Tyson at 55

[thereverend]

I’ve got a lot of respect for Mike, but he must have been taking testosterone and all sorts of PED’s, because Tyson claimed he completely stopped working out for more than a decade after his retirement and he’s only recently regained his athletic physique within the last couple of years.

Do you have any evidence for this accusation or is it just gossip? I don't see any of the tell tale signs of steroid use. When was the last time you saw Tyson in a roid rage? Why would Tyson need to use steroids at this point in his life? It's hard for fat lazy people to understand that with a proper diet and the right type of exercise and discipline you can achieve this type of body. Factor in that Mike Tyson is a genetic freak, even when he was a mess he was still athletic and ripped.

There's lots of men and women with similar muscle mass at an older age then Mike. My favorite example is Indian bodybulider Manohar Aich who was still in great shape at 100 years old. He lived to be 104. Here's a picture of him at 90.



And no, he didn't use steroids...

[Enlightened-One]

There's lots of men and women with similar muscle mass at an older age then Mike.

Do you have lots of examples of individuals in their mid fifties that didn’t work out for almost twenty years and also once badly struggled with obesity that have managed to significantly increase muscle bulk, strength and reduce body fat (to Tyson-esque levels), within a short timescale, without consuming PED's and also undergoing some form of testosterone replacement therapy?

The answer is obviously no - you simply can't do it!

My favorite example is Indian bodybulider Manohar Aich who was still in great shape at 100 years old. He lived to be 104. Here's a picture of him at 90.



And no, he didn't use steroids...

He trained all his life. Mike Tyson hasn't.

Maintenance is a lot easier to achieve than to complete an extraordinary physical overhaul.

Therefore, pick a different example - not something that is desperately irrelevant.

[tiny_acres]

There's lots of men and women with similar muscle mass at an older age then Mike.

Do you have lots of examples of individuals in their mid fifties that didn’t work out for almost twenty years and also once badly struggled with obesity that have managed to significantly increase muscle bulk, strength and reduce body fat (to Tyson-esque levels), within a short timescale, without consuming PED's and also undergoing some form of testosterone replacement therapy?

The answer is obviously no - you simply can't do it!

My favorite example is Indian bodybulider Manohar Aich who was still in great shape at 100 years old. He lived to be 104. Here's a picture of him at 90.



And no, he didn't use steroids...

He trained all his life. Mike Tyson hasn't.

Maintenance is a lot easier to achieve than to complete an extraordinary physical overhaul.

Therefore, pick a different example - not something that is desperately irrelevant.

EO you may possibly be the most annoying person who regularly posts here
But sometimes you make such good arguments that I enjoy reading your posts.
Keep it up you annoying bastard

[apollo creed]

There's lots of men and women with similar muscle mass at an older age then Mike.

Do you have lots of examples of individuals in their mid fifties that didn’t work out for almost twenty years and also once badly struggled with obesity that have managed to significantly increase muscle bulk, strength and reduce body fat (to Tyson-esque levels), within a short timescale, without consuming PED's and also undergoing some form of testosterone replacement therapy?

The answer is obviously no - you simply can't do it!

My favorite example is Indian bodybulider Manohar Aich who was still in great shape at 100 years old. He lived to be 104. Here's a picture of him at 90.



And no, he didn't use steroids...

He trained all his life. Mike Tyson hasn't.

Maintenance is a lot easier to achieve than to complete an extraordinary physical overhaul.

Therefore, pick a different example - not something that is desperately irrelevant.

Those bloated up bodybuilders(young or old) would implode doing only 20% of the training Mike did when he was fighting.

[apollo creed]

Tyson was strong physically, no doubt. He still is.

In his prime he could also take opponents with blinding speed with either hand, at anytime, but the thing that made him a legend was his ferocious 'seek and destroy' mentality.

No wonder he liked to compare himself to Jack Dempsey and Sonny Liston.

Other fighters may have been bigger and stronger, for example Frank Bruno, but they didn't have anything like Tyson's mentality.

Unfortunately, after the introduction of Givens and King and especially after the exit of Rooney, neither did Mike. Some essential piece of programming seemed to have gotten lost amidst all the turmoil.

Buster Douglas just happened to be in the right place at the right time and the rest was history.

The Mike Tyson that eventually followed was still a great fighter but no longer firing on all cylinders.

Nevermind, the 'deprogrammed' Mike we see nowadays seems to be a lot more mature and at peace with himself.

Still a legend all over the world.

Losses happen even to the greatest but why Mike didin't pushed for rematching Buster and avenge his loss?? The rematch woud've been even a bigger money fight than the first one!

[thereverend]

Do you have lots of examples of individuals in their mid fifties that didn’t work out for almost twenty years and also once badly struggled with obesity that have managed to significantly increase muscle bulk, strength and reduce body fat (to Tyson-esque levels), within a short timescale, without consuming PED's and also undergoing some form of testosterone replacement therapy?

What a stupid question. The internet is literally sinking under the mass of middle aged fat fucks who've managed to lose lard and put on muscle 'in 6 months'. Get off your lazy fat ass and do some googling! In fact there's a book out there just for you!! Secrets of an Over 50 former fat man!



Got to edit in this one because it disproves your testosterone theory. Because it's a woman!!

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... ding-at-71

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Of course, a person can’t build a significant amount of muscle without an intensive training regimen that causes hypertrophy.

But most human males, regardless of age, can’t gain a significant amount of muscle mass within a very short timescale without consuming PED’s.

And it’s simply impossible for males in their mid-fifties to increase muscle bulk, strength and reduce body fat (to Tyson-esque levels), within a short timescale, without consuming PED's and also undergoing some form of testosterone replacement therapy.

To be fair, I’m wholeheartedly against PED’s, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with older men undergoing testosterone injections to retain their lean body mass and athleticism, even if it reduces their lifespan by a few years.

Because it’s all about quality of life, since I’d rather be strong and athletic in my old age, than live longer and be frail.

And Tyson physically looks far better than most men in their twenties.

- Heh, Heh, The Enfrightened One caught with his panties yanked down by an accidental dump...only in boxing, folks!

I undertook this 3 month project back in the day on ye aulde AOL baseball forum to prove that Barry Bonds as an elite athlete could undertake a weight training program to add mass and strength without steroids. I'd already proven statistically to the usual enfrightened ones and their wannabees that he had to be on something as yet unproven, but that their physical critiques were utterly false projections of their inherent ignorance. 3 months of winter is also the traditional off season for baseball players.

Early 50s, I was already in excellent physical shape as I had been through the whole of my life and had prophetically added a Heavy bag I bought my two boys to take out their frustrations instead of each other. They never used it so I hung it under the big oak in my backyard to add to my training that seldom involved weights.

I had an old Healthways 155 lb barbell set with instructions and diet recommendations I'd gotten as a kid too unwieldy to get hooked on. I kept it to now devise my own set of daily rotation of heavy weight exercises 6 days a week, rest on Sundays like our Creator for testa building that would add the muscle on top of my usual training regimen but I do like my pie and icecream. My only diet concession was adding a portion of meat or egg to my regular diet. I take no vitamins and no drugs legal or illegal. Winter ends, and I was having to exercise discipline to keep from swaggering around looking for fights I had so much testa in me. I added 15% bodyweight on an already 10% bodyfat musculature, about the same 15% as Bonds added with a personal trainer. It was also rumored he undertook lasik eye surgery that would improve his batting eye, but alas BALCO Vic's client list bust him and a host of Olympic athletes. Not having Bonds $$$ they mostly ended up with jail sentences.

With only minor weight training thereafter, I maintained those numbers that saw me run a 50 sec 400 meters at age 63 in spite of never training as a sprinter. Alas, my part time double bum leg became full time, so nevermore...nevermore...

Late in his career Tyson had some biker types in his corner that doubtless put him on roids inbetween bouts, but more to loose the fat he was prone to build up than muscle that he already had. Instead of letting 50 ish Mike do his thing and YOU minding your own business, YOU just had to insert your infantile obsession with being all knowing without knowing squat save what accidentally soils your panties

[Thomastearns]

"With only minor weight training thereafter, I maintained those numbers that saw me run a 50 sec 400 meters at age 63 in spite of never training as a sprinter."


Possibly the most impressive thing I've read on here.

Fantastic!

The 400 metres is no joke and I never got near 50 seconds, even in my teens, nevermind now in my 50s.

You're right of course, thankfully there's a lot more knowledge about exercise and diet out there these days.

I'm constantly reminding myself - more protein and less sugar/carbs.

It really seems to be helping especially with increased energy and lack of bloating.

[tiny_acres]

Of course, a person can’t build a significant amount of muscle without an intensive training regimen that causes hypertrophy.

But most human males, regardless of age, can’t gain a significant amount of muscle mass within a very short timescale without consuming PED’s.

And it’s simply impossible for males in their mid-fifties to increase muscle bulk, strength and reduce body fat (to Tyson-esque levels), within a short timescale, without consuming PED's and also undergoing some form of testosterone replacement therapy.

To be fair, I’m wholeheartedly against PED’s, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with older men undergoing testosterone injections to retain their lean body mass and athleticism, even if it reduces their lifespan by a few years.

Because it’s all about quality of life, since I’d rather be strong and athletic in my old age, than live longer and be frail.

And Tyson physically looks far better than most men in their twenties.

- Heh, Heh, The Enfrightened One caught with his panties yanked down by an accidental dump...only in boxing, folks!

I undertook this 3 month project back in the day on ye aulde AOL baseball forum to prove that Barry Bonds as an elite athlete could undertake a weight training program to add mass and strength without steroids. I'd already proven statistically to the usual enfrightened ones and their wannabees that he had to be on something as yet unproven, but that their physical critiques were utterly false projections of their inherent ignorance. 3 months of winter is also the traditional off season for baseball players.

Early 50s, I was already in excellent physical shape as I had been through the whole of my life and had prophetically added a Heavy bag I bought my two boys to take out their frustrations instead of each other. They never used it so I hung it under the big oak in my backyard to add to my training that seldom involved weights.

I had an old Healthways 155 lb barbell set with instructions and diet recommendations I'd gotten as a kid too unwieldy to get hooked on. I kept it to now devise my own set of daily rotation of heavy weight exercises 6 days a week, rest on Sundays like our Creator for testa building that would add the muscle on top of my usual training regimen but I do like my pie and icecream. My only diet concession was adding a portion of meat or egg to my regular diet. I take no vitamins and no drugs legal or illegal. Winter ends, and I was having to exercise discipline to keep from swaggering around looking for fights I had so much testa in me. I added 15% bodyweight on an already 10% bodyfat musculature, about the same 15% as Bonds added with a personal trainer. It was also rumored he undertook lasik eye surgery that would improve his batting eye, but alas BALCO Vic's client list bust him and a host of Olympic athletes. Not having Bonds $$$ they mostly ended up with jail sentences.

With only minor weight training thereafter, I maintained those numbers that saw me run a 50 sec 400 meters at age 63 in spite of never training as a sprinter. Alas, my part time double bum leg became full time, so nevermore...nevermore...

Late in his career Tyson had some biker types in his corner that doubtless put him on roids inbetween bouts, but more to loose the fat he was prone to build up than muscle that he already had. Instead of letting 50 ish Mike do his thing and YOU minding your own business, YOU just had to insert your infantile obsession with being all knowing without knowing squat save what accidentally soils your panties

50 second 400 meter at 63 years old.
The 60-65 masters world record is 53.88 seconds.

[Counter-puncher]

It’s not the first time.

As David Diamanté would introduce him

“Walter Mitty. Mitty”

[tiny_acres]

It’s not the first time.

As David Diamanté would introduce him

“Walter Mitty. Mitty”

[p4p1]

Tyson was strong physically, no doubt. He still is.

In his prime he could also take opponents with blinding speed with either hand, at anytime, but the thing that made him a legend was his ferocious 'seek and destroy' mentality.

No wonder he liked to compare himself to Jack Dempsey and Sonny Liston.

Other fighters may have been bigger and stronger, for example Frank Bruno, but they didn't have anything like Tyson's mentality.

Unfortunately, after the introduction of Givens and King and especially after the exit of Rooney, neither did Mike. Some essential piece of programming seemed to have gotten lost amidst all the turmoil.

Buster Douglas just happened to be in the right place at the right time and the rest was history.

The Mike Tyson that eventually followed was still a great fighter but no longer firing on all cylinders.

Nevermind, the 'deprogrammed' Mike we see nowadays seems to be a lot more mature and at peace with himself.

Still a legend all over the world.

I think this undervalues just how good Buster was that night.
Buster was another fighter who, to use your words, didn't have the essential piece of programming. He was extremely talented but clearly didn't love fighting and was pushed into it by his old man. Buster was able to take advantage of Mike's short comings that were present even in the Rooney years by keeping him on the outside and nullifying Mike's mid-range game.

Buster looked like an ATG that night IMO.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

It’s not the first time.

As David Diamanté would introduce him

“Walter Mitty. Mitty”

- Nice one. I like

And since Boxrec is the go to place for PED knowledge experts, this is for all YOU too

I had a fantastical adrenaline assist when it looked like I was going to miss my bus stop, not ruining a day, but the whole week, and it gets even better. I had to run uphill through my wooded, rocky park like a football halfback threading rocks and trees for 100 meter so I could catch the moving bus to signal the driver I wanted the next bus stop that currently stood empty. As I bolted thru the park, it felt like I was flying, not running. Same deal when turning up on a sidewalk for the final 300, but 100 to go my legs went full dead, yet I was still flying as they turned over. When I got to the stop, surprise, I wasn't even breathing hard.

Working in construction, I'm used to pacing off distances it was an easy pace off that matched 400 meters within a couple meters.

A week later I went down to the HS rubberized track with my cellphone as I didn't have or need a working watch by then. When it turn over a minute I started at a steady pedestrian pace because I wanted to see when it would turn over again to signal 1 minute, and so I stopped to walk off the final distance at 97 meters, ie 100 meters. I was never a 100 guy, but my son timed me a few years back at 12.3, so basically I was at 72 sec at a 3/4 pedestrian pace of 20 sec per 100 + my 100 sprint time. I could easily knock off 18sec off that 3/4 mark, ie 6sec per 100 to be at 56 sec, however, I have never ran faster, nor felt like I was flying while sprinting. I was always pounding and heaving by the end. The way I felt could've been easy 40 sec, which yeah, be a new world record

Reference: In HS for fitness tests we'd run a 300 shuttle, ie 2 tires 300 apart for 4x75 sprints + 3 tricky turnarounds on cinder track that carved up more than a few hides. Afterwards while many puked their guts out, I was queasy OK at 43 sec, the fastest time, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think that then I could run a 400 in 53-55 without an adrenaline assist. I certainly never felt slowed down in life til a herniated disc gave me partial sciatic paralysis in my right leg.

Anyway, I know you PED'perts like cherries, so after feeding the bus meter I sat up front of the 1/3rd full bus. Diagonally in her own seat was a 20 yr old girl in ancient boys gym shorts that we hated in our day that seem popular with girls today. She would've witnessed most of my run, obviously impressed, and now couldn't stop staring. I get that a lot anyways, but then she spread her silky legs for caressing just short of fingering while staring, and everything was angled so this was just between the two of us. 15 min later and I'm getting up for my stop at the library, I was ready to grab her hand and offer to show her what I was doing at the public library, but she shied away, now scared. Just, as well as I really don't need more girl troubles no matter how lovely she was, but that was some kind of day to be sure.

Now about the time 4 lovely British gals sloshed aboard while I was going home. Driver took off before the last could get seated, so she typsied around heading my way where I spread my arms to funnel her in to keep her from colliding with the bus. I held her in place, and she was a very nice girl I must say, all while her lasses hooted. When the bus stabilized speed, I released her to ask if she was ready to go join them now, and she thanked me and that was that

[Chael Sonnen]

I’d give anything to look like that now let alone at 55 lmao.

[Wee Tommy]

It’s not the first time.

As David Diamanté would introduce him

“Walter Mitty. Mitty”

- Nice one. I like

And since Boxrec is the go to place for PED knowledge experts, this is for all YOU too

I had a fantastical adrenaline assist when it looked like I was going to miss my bus stop, not ruining a day, but the whole week, and it gets even better. I had to run uphill through my wooded, rocky park like a football halfback threading rocks and trees for 100 meter so I could catch the moving bus to signal the driver I wanted the next bus stop that currently stood empty. As I bolted thru the park, it felt like I was flying, not running. Same deal when turning up on a sidewalk for the final 300, but 100 to go my legs went full dead, yet I was still flying as they turned over. When I got to the stop, surprise, I wasn't even breathing hard.

Working in construction, I'm used to pacing off distances it was an easy pace off that matched 400 meters within a couple meters.

A week later I went down to the HS rubberized track with my cellphone as I didn't have or need a working watch by then. When it turn over a minute I started at a steady pedestrian pace because I wanted to see when it would turn over again to signal 1 minute, and so I stopped to walk off the final distance at 97 meters, ie 100 meters. I was never a 100 guy, but my son timed me a few years back at 12.3, so basically I was at 72 sec at a 3/4 pedestrian pace of 20 sec per 100 + my 100 sprint time. I could easily knock off 18sec off that 3/4 mark, ie 6sec per 100 to be at 56 sec, however, I have never ran faster, nor felt like I was flying while sprinting. I was always pounding and heaving by the end. The way I felt could've been easy 40 sec, which yeah, be a new world record

Reference: In HS for fitness tests we'd run a 300 shuttle, ie 2 tires 300 apart for 4x75 sprints + 3 tricky turnarounds on cinder track that carved up more than a few hides. Afterwards while many puked their guts out, I was queasy OK at 43 sec, the fastest time, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think that then I could run a 400 in 53-55 without an adrenaline assist. I certainly never felt slowed down in life til a herniated disc gave me partial sciatic paralysis in my right leg.

Anyway, I know you PED'perts like cherries, so after feeding the bus meter I sat up front of the 1/3rd full bus. Diagonally in her own seat was a 20 yr old girl in ancient boys gym shorts that we hated in our day that seem popular with girls today. She would've witnessed most of my run, obviously impressed, and now couldn't stop staring. I get that a lot anyways, but then she spread her silky legs for caressing just short of fingering while staring, and everything was angled so this was just between the two of us. 15 min later and I'm getting up for my stop at the library, I was ready to grab her hand and offer to show her what I was doing at the public library, but she shied away, now scared. Just, as well as I really don't need more girl troubles no matter how lovely she was, but that was some kind of day to be sure.

Now about the time 4 lovely British gals sloshed aboard while I was going home. Driver took off before the last could get seated, so she typsied around heading my way where I spread my arms to funnel her in to keep her from colliding with the bus. I held her in place, and she was a very nice girl I must say, all while her lasses hooted. When the bus stabilized speed, I released her to ask if she was ready to go join them now, and she thanked me and that was that

Did you perchance have a training partner named Kalan?

[tiny_acres]

It’s not the first time.

As David Diamanté would introduce him

“Walter Mitty. Mitty”

- Nice one. I like

And since Boxrec is the go to place for PED knowledge experts, this is for all YOU too

I had a fantastical adrenaline assist when it looked like I was going to miss my bus stop, not ruining a day, but the whole week, and it gets even better. I had to run uphill through my wooded, rocky park like a football halfback threading rocks and trees for 100 meter so I could catch the moving bus to signal the driver I wanted the next bus stop that currently stood empty. As I bolted thru the park, it felt like I was flying, not running. Same deal when turning up on a sidewalk for the final 300, but 100 to go my legs went full dead, yet I was still flying as they turned over. When I got to the stop, surprise, I wasn't even breathing hard.

Working in construction, I'm used to pacing off distances it was an easy pace off that matched 400 meters within a couple meters.

A week later I went down to the HS rubberized track with my cellphone as I didn't have or need a working watch by then. When it turn over a minute I started at a steady pedestrian pace because I wanted to see when it would turn over again to signal 1 minute, and so I stopped to walk off the final distance at 97 meters, ie 100 meters. I was never a 100 guy, but my son timed me a few years back at 12.3, so basically I was at 72 sec at a 3/4 pedestrian pace of 20 sec per 100 + my 100 sprint time. I could easily knock off 18sec off that 3/4 mark, ie 6sec per 100 to be at 56 sec, however, I have never ran faster, nor felt like I was flying while sprinting. I was always pounding and heaving by the end. The way I felt could've been easy 40 sec, which yeah, be a new world record

Reference: In HS for fitness tests we'd run a 300 shuttle, ie 2 tires 300 apart for 4x75 sprints + 3 tricky turnarounds on cinder track that carved up more than a few hides. Afterwards while many puked their guts out, I was queasy OK at 43 sec, the fastest time, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think that then I could run a 400 in 53-55 without an adrenaline assist. I certainly never felt slowed down in life til a herniated disc gave me partial sciatic paralysis in my right leg.

Anyway, I know you PED'perts like cherries, so after feeding the bus meter I sat up front of the 1/3rd full bus. Diagonally in her own seat was a 20 yr old girl in ancient boys gym shorts that we hated in our day that seem popular with girls today. She would've witnessed most of my run, obviously impressed, and now couldn't stop staring. I get that a lot anyways, but then she spread her silky legs for caressing just short of fingering while staring, and everything was angled so this was just between the two of us. 15 min later and I'm getting up for my stop at the library, I was ready to grab her hand and offer to show her what I was doing at the public library, but she shied away, now scared. Just, as well as I really don't need more girl troubles no matter how lovely she was, but that was some kind of day to be sure.

Now about the time 4 lovely British gals sloshed aboard while I was going home. Driver took off before the last could get seated, so she typsied around heading my way where I spread my arms to funnel her in to keep her from colliding with the bus. I held her in place, and she was a very nice girl I must say, all while her lasses hooted. When the bus stabilized speed, I released her to ask if she was ready to go join them now, and she thanked me and that was that

Did you perchance have a training partner named Kalan?

I don't think it is Kalan. Kalan was not as self centered as he is

[Counter-puncher]

It’s not the first time.

As David Diamanté would introduce him

“Walter Mitty. Mitty”

- Nice one. I like

And since Boxrec is the go to place for PED knowledge experts, this is for all YOU too

I had a fantastical adrenaline assist when it looked like I was going to miss my bus stop, not ruining a day, but the whole week, and it gets even better. I had to run uphill through my wooded, rocky park like a football halfback threading rocks and trees for 100 meter so I could catch the moving bus to signal the driver I wanted the next bus stop that currently stood empty. As I bolted thru the park, it felt like I was flying, not running. Same deal when turning up on a sidewalk for the final 300, but 100 to go my legs went full dead, yet I was still flying as they turned over. When I got to the stop, surprise, I wasn't even breathing hard.

Working in construction, I'm used to pacing off distances it was an easy pace off that matched 400 meters within a couple meters.

A week later I went down to the HS rubberized track with my cellphone as I didn't have or need a working watch by then. When it turn over a minute I started at a steady pedestrian pace because I wanted to see when it would turn over again to signal 1 minute, and so I stopped to walk off the final distance at 97 meters, ie 100 meters. I was never a 100 guy, but my son timed me a few years back at 12.3, so basically I was at 72 sec at a 3/4 pedestrian pace of 20 sec per 100 + my 100 sprint time. I could easily knock off 18sec off that 3/4 mark, ie 6sec per 100 to be at 56 sec, however, I have never ran faster, nor felt like I was flying while sprinting. I was always pounding and heaving by the end. The way I felt could've been easy 40 sec, which yeah, be a new world record

Reference: In HS for fitness tests we'd run a 300 shuttle, ie 2 tires 300 apart for 4x75 sprints + 3 tricky turnarounds on cinder track that carved up more than a few hides. Afterwards while many puked their guts out, I was queasy OK at 43 sec, the fastest time, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think that then I could run a 400 in 53-55 without an adrenaline assist. I certainly never felt slowed down in life til a herniated disc gave me partial sciatic paralysis in my right leg.

Anyway, I know you PED'perts like cherries, so after feeding the bus meter I sat up front of the 1/3rd full bus. Diagonally in her own seat was a 20 yr old girl in ancient boys gym shorts that we hated in our day that seem popular with girls today. She would've witnessed most of my run, obviously impressed, and now couldn't stop staring. I get that a lot anyways, but then she spread her silky legs for caressing just short of fingering while staring, and everything was angled so this was just between the two of us. 15 min later and I'm getting up for my stop at the library, I was ready to grab her hand and offer to show her what I was doing at the public library, but she shied away, now scared. Just, as well as I really don't need more girl troubles no matter how lovely she was, but that was some kind of day to be sure.

Now about the time 4 lovely British gals sloshed aboard while I was going home. Driver took off before the last could get seated, so she typsied around heading my way where I spread my arms to funnel her in to keep her from colliding with the bus. I held her in place, and she was a very nice girl I must say, all while her lasses hooted. When the bus stabilized speed, I released her to ask if she was ready to go join them now, and she thanked me and that was that

Did you perchance have a training partner named Kalan?

There’s an even better thread titled something like ‘sports you could have been good at’ or something like that.

Amidst several paragraphs, each a weighty tome in itself, describing his preternatural talents in I think maybe nearly a dozen sports, including claims of cycling prowess that placed him somewhere close to professional cyclists (at a fairly advanced age, Mark you), my particular favourite was one particular sport, which he wouldn’t go into... for fear of being a braggart

[Wee Tommy]

- Nice one. I like

And since Boxrec is the go to place for PED knowledge experts, this is for all YOU too

I had a fantastical adrenaline assist when it looked like I was going to miss my bus stop, not ruining a day, but the whole week, and it gets even better. I had to run uphill through my wooded, rocky park like a football halfback threading rocks and trees for 100 meter so I could catch the moving bus to signal the driver I wanted the next bus stop that currently stood empty. As I bolted thru the park, it felt like I was flying, not running. Same deal when turning up on a sidewalk for the final 300, but 100 to go my legs went full dead, yet I was still flying as they turned over. When I got to the stop, surprise, I wasn't even breathing hard.

Working in construction, I'm used to pacing off distances it was an easy pace off that matched 400 meters within a couple meters.

A week later I went down to the HS rubberized track with my cellphone as I didn't have or need a working watch by then. When it turn over a minute I started at a steady pedestrian pace because I wanted to see when it would turn over again to signal 1 minute, and so I stopped to walk off the final distance at 97 meters, ie 100 meters. I was never a 100 guy, but my son timed me a few years back at 12.3, so basically I was at 72 sec at a 3/4 pedestrian pace of 20 sec per 100 + my 100 sprint time. I could easily knock off 18sec off that 3/4 mark, ie 6sec per 100 to be at 56 sec, however, I have never ran faster, nor felt like I was flying while sprinting. I was always pounding and heaving by the end. The way I felt could've been easy 40 sec, which yeah, be a new world record

Reference: In HS for fitness tests we'd run a 300 shuttle, ie 2 tires 300 apart for 4x75 sprints + 3 tricky turnarounds on cinder track that carved up more than a few hides. Afterwards while many puked their guts out, I was queasy OK at 43 sec, the fastest time, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think that then I could run a 400 in 53-55 without an adrenaline assist. I certainly never felt slowed down in life til a herniated disc gave me partial sciatic paralysis in my right leg.

Anyway, I know you PED'perts like cherries, so after feeding the bus meter I sat up front of the 1/3rd full bus. Diagonally in her own seat was a 20 yr old girl in ancient boys gym shorts that we hated in our day that seem popular with girls today. She would've witnessed most of my run, obviously impressed, and now couldn't stop staring. I get that a lot anyways, but then she spread her silky legs for caressing just short of fingering while staring, and everything was angled so this was just between the two of us. 15 min later and I'm getting up for my stop at the library, I was ready to grab her hand and offer to show her what I was doing at the public library, but she shied away, now scared. Just, as well as I really don't need more girl troubles no matter how lovely she was, but that was some kind of day to be sure.

Now about the time 4 lovely British gals sloshed aboard while I was going home. Driver took off before the last could get seated, so she typsied around heading my way where I spread my arms to funnel her in to keep her from colliding with the bus. I held her in place, and she was a very nice girl I must say, all while her lasses hooted. When the bus stabilized speed, I released her to ask if she was ready to go join them now, and she thanked me and that was that

Did you perchance have a training partner named Kalan?

There’s an even better thread titled something like ‘sports you could have been good at’ or something like that.

Amidst several paragraphs, each a weighty tome in itself, describing his preternatural talents in I think maybe nearly a dozen sports, including claims of cycling prowess that placed him somewhere close to professional cyclists (at a fairly advanced age, Mark you), my particular favourite was one particular sport, which he wouldn’t go into... for fear of being a braggart

I have no reason to doubt him, just felt that surely the only man who could have pushed him in the gym was the equally world class athlete Kalan.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- Nice one. I like

And since Boxrec is the go to place for PED knowledge experts, this is for all YOU too

I had a fantastical adrenaline assist when it looked like I was going to miss my bus stop, not ruining a day, but the whole week, and it gets even better. I had to run uphill through my wooded, rocky park like a football halfback threading rocks and trees for 100 meter so I could catch the moving bus to signal the driver I wanted the next bus stop that currently stood empty. As I bolted thru the park, it felt like I was flying, not running. Same deal when turning up on a sidewalk for the final 300, but 100 to go my legs went full dead, yet I was still flying as they turned over. When I got to the stop, surprise, I wasn't even breathing hard.

Working in construction, I'm used to pacing off distances it was an easy pace off that matched 400 meters within a couple meters.

A week later I went down to the HS rubberized track with my cellphone as I didn't have or need a working watch by then. When it turn over a minute I started at a steady pedestrian pace because I wanted to see when it would turn over again to signal 1 minute, and so I stopped to walk off the final distance at 97 meters, ie 100 meters. I was never a 100 guy, but my son timed me a few years back at 12.3, so basically I was at 72 sec at a 3/4 pedestrian pace of 20 sec per 100 + my 100 sprint time. I could easily knock off 18sec off that 3/4 mark, ie 6sec per 100 to be at 56 sec, however, I have never ran faster, nor felt like I was flying while sprinting. I was always pounding and heaving by the end. The way I felt could've been easy 40 sec, which yeah, be a new world record

Reference: In HS for fitness tests we'd run a 300 shuttle, ie 2 tires 300 apart for 4x75 sprints + 3 tricky turnarounds on cinder track that carved up more than a few hides. Afterwards while many puked their guts out, I was queasy OK at 43 sec, the fastest time, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think that then I could run a 400 in 53-55 without an adrenaline assist. I certainly never felt slowed down in life til a herniated disc gave me partial sciatic paralysis in my right leg.

Anyway, I know you PED'perts like cherries, so after feeding the bus meter I sat up front of the 1/3rd full bus. Diagonally in her own seat was a 20 yr old girl in ancient boys gym shorts that we hated in our day that seem popular with girls today. She would've witnessed most of my run, obviously impressed, and now couldn't stop staring. I get that a lot anyways, but then she spread her silky legs for caressing just short of fingering while staring, and everything was angled so this was just between the two of us. 15 min later and I'm getting up for my stop at the library, I was ready to grab her hand and offer to show her what I was doing at the public library, but she shied away, now scared. Just, as well as I really don't need more girl troubles no matter how lovely she was, but that was some kind of day to be sure.

Now about the time 4 lovely British gals sloshed aboard while I was going home. Driver took off before the last could get seated, so she typsied around heading my way where I spread my arms to funnel her in to keep her from colliding with the bus. I held her in place, and she was a very nice girl I must say, all while her lasses hooted. When the bus stabilized speed, I released her to ask if she was ready to go join them now, and she thanked me and that was that

Did you perchance have a training partner named Kalan?

There’s an even better thread titled something like ‘sports you could have been good at’ or something like that.

Amidst several paragraphs, each a weighty tome in itself, describing his preternatural talents in I think maybe nearly a dozen sports, including claims of cycling prowess that placed him somewhere close to professional cyclists (at a fairly advanced age, Mark you), my particular favourite was one particular sport, which he wouldn’t go into... for fear of being a braggart

- Now, now, I know you boys is gonna be boys and all, but no way can I match the preternatural mania of Kalan in dominating Boxrec responses on any topic he chooses.

I'm thinking you must of remembered Hahare thread about Thugess Shields being able to whoop any boxrec members that morphed into sports he chose that I countered.

I mentioned during my prime, on my six mile work route to a school for abandoned kids that I rode my bike to, I was posting TDF Prologue winning speeds on a much more difficult course than the TDF. I ain't interested in riding in pack of biker idiots for hours and days upon end, but if they had to ride my short course, I'd whoop most, no biggie back then.

Yup, I played at many sports and quite good at many of them, and so what? I knew many like minded guys that did the same. Without any training I ran the local inaugural 10K in 46sec after a 2min deduction from the time it took from the back of the pack to cross the starting line, 2 miles of it cross country/steeple chase style hurdling hedges and creek tributaries to pass the jogging slugs on the trail poorly selected by the the sponsor of the race.

After breaking a leg when a car hit me from behind in the left turn lane, rather than be casted, as soon as I was able to limp a few feet without my cane, I drove down to our new Olympic swim center and rehabbed the leg with careful freestyling. After rehab I kept returning and got where I could swim 2000 meters in 30 min using balanced 3 stroke breathing, and at the end, I'd take a few deep breaths to push off for a 50 meter underwater swim, take a few deep breaths before returning, point being I could go much longer but didn't have the patience or time for such a useless endeavor.

What I wanted was racing motorcycles, my 500 cc Kawasaki then wiping out 75O Hondas on the grand prix circuit. On my own dime without any consultation I had my bike set up much like the grandprix, so since I was in college, impromptu victories out on our lake circuit sufficed.

I just love me weighty tomes, I do, so watching AJ ducking Fury eat the AJ ducking Shyte of Whyte on Fyght Nyght...priceless

[Thomastearns]

Tyson was strong physically, no doubt. He still is.

In his prime he could also take opponents with blinding speed with either hand, at anytime, but the thing that made him a legend was his ferocious 'seek and destroy' mentality.

No wonder he liked to compare himself to Jack Dempsey and Sonny Liston.

Other fighters may have been bigger and stronger, for example Frank Bruno, but they didn't have anything like Tyson's mentality.

Unfortunately, after the introduction of Givens and King and especially after the exit of Rooney, neither did Mike. Some essential piece of programming seemed to have gotten lost amidst all the turmoil.

Buster Douglas just happened to be in the right place at the right time and the rest was history.

The Mike Tyson that eventually followed was still a great fighter but no longer firing on all cylinders.

Nevermind, the 'deprogrammed' Mike we see nowadays seems to be a lot more mature and at peace with himself.

Still a legend all over the world.

I think this undervalues just how good Buster was that night.
Buster was another fighter who, to use your words, didn't have the essential piece of programming. He was extremely talented but clearly didn't love fighting and was pushed into it by his old man. Buster was able to take advantage of Mike's short comings that were present even in the Rooney years by keeping him on the outside and nullifying Mike's mid-range game.

Buster looked like an ATG that night IMO.

Yes he did.

I recall Douglas looked in fabulous condition at the weigh in too, yet for some reason (expectation bias?) no one seemed to notice it or pay it much attention.

Nevertheless, Mike Tyson clearly wasn't the Mike Tyson that we were used to seeing that night.

Surely, that's also beyond argument?

[apollo creed]

Tyson was strong physically, no doubt. He still is.

In his prime he could also take opponents with blinding speed with either hand, at anytime, but the thing that made him a legend was his ferocious 'seek and destroy' mentality.

No wonder he liked to compare himself to Jack Dempsey and Sonny Liston.

Other fighters may have been bigger and stronger, for example Frank Bruno, but they didn't have anything like Tyson's mentality.

Unfortunately, after the introduction of Givens and King and especially after the exit of Rooney, neither did Mike. Some essential piece of programming seemed to have gotten lost amidst all the turmoil.

Buster Douglas just happened to be in the right place at the right time and the rest was history.

The Mike Tyson that eventually followed was still a great fighter but no longer firing on all cylinders.

Nevermind, the 'deprogrammed' Mike we see nowadays seems to be a lot more mature and at peace with himself.

Still a legend all over the world.

I think this undervalues just how good Buster was that night.
Buster was another fighter who, to use your words, didn't have the essential piece of programming. He was extremely talented but clearly didn't love fighting and was pushed into it by his old man. Buster was able to take advantage of Mike's short comings that were present even in the Rooney years by keeping him on the outside and nullifying Mike's mid-range game.

Buster looked like an ATG that night IMO.

Yes he did.

I recall Douglas looked in fabulous condition at the weigh in too, yet for some reason (expectation bias?) no one seemed to notice it or pay it much attention.

Nevertheless, Mike Tyson clearly wasn't the Mike Tyson that we were used to seeing that night.

Surely, that's also beyond argument?

Honestly it doesn't matter if Mike was the same Mike when he was 20 or not. It was in his responsibility as the HW king to keep Rooney, keep training very seriously, rest, no distractions /entourage and stay very focused.

But the question is why Mike didn't have an immediately rematch vs Buster to avenge his loss and make even more money?

Maybe it was a plan to take a safer route to still cash in ? Or maybe deep inside him Mike knew that Buster was too strong and risky, and another loss in a rematch would badly affect his career? Who knows?

[Thomastearns]

I think this undervalues just how good Buster was that night.
Buster was another fighter who, to use your words, didn't have the essential piece of programming. He was extremely talented but clearly didn't love fighting and was pushed into it by his old man. Buster was able to take advantage of Mike's short comings that were present even in the Rooney years by keeping him on the outside and nullifying Mike's mid-range game.

Buster looked like an ATG that night IMO.

Yes he did.

I recall Douglas looked in fabulous condition at the weigh in too, yet for some reason (expectation bias?) no one seemed to notice it or pay it much attention.

Nevertheless, Mike Tyson clearly wasn't the Mike Tyson that we were used to seeing that night.

Surely, that's also beyond argument?

Honestly it doesn't matter if Mike was the same Mike when he was 20 or not. It was in his responsibility as the HW king to keep Rooney, keep training very seriously, rest, no distractions /entourage and stay very focused.

But the question is why Mike didn't have an immediately rematch vs Buster to avenge his loss and make even more money?

Maybe it was a plan to take a safer route to still cash in ? Or maybe deep inside him Mike knew that Buster was too strong and risky, and another loss in a rematch would badly affect his career? Who knows?

In hindsight he should have took the rematch, but reading his autobiography I get the feeling that the genie was already out of the bottle by then.

Boxing had become just a means to an end by then as his focus seemed to have drifted away.

There was just no one left with enough authority to put Mike back on the right track.

I also get the feeling that many people sympathise with the kind of road he's had to travel since to try to get his head back together.

[RScarf1]

Tyson could not have an immediate rematch with Douglas because Holyfield was the No. 1 ranked contender of the WBC, WBA, and IBF. He waited long enough for a title shot. And then Douglas lost to Holyfield because he was overweight and out of shape. He probably would have lost anyway even if he was in shape.

[p4p1]

Tyson was strong physically, no doubt. He still is.

In his prime he could also take opponents with blinding speed with either hand, at anytime, but the thing that made him a legend was his ferocious 'seek and destroy' mentality.

No wonder he liked to compare himself to Jack Dempsey and Sonny Liston.

Other fighters may have been bigger and stronger, for example Frank Bruno, but they didn't have anything like Tyson's mentality.

Unfortunately, after the introduction of Givens and King and especially after the exit of Rooney, neither did Mike. Some essential piece of programming seemed to have gotten lost amidst all the turmoil.

Buster Douglas just happened to be in the right place at the right time and the rest was history.

The Mike Tyson that eventually followed was still a great fighter but no longer firing on all cylinders.

Nevermind, the 'deprogrammed' Mike we see nowadays seems to be a lot more mature and at peace with himself.

Still a legend all over the world.

I think this undervalues just how good Buster was that night.
Buster was another fighter who, to use your words, didn't have the essential piece of programming. He was extremely talented but clearly didn't love fighting and was pushed into it by his old man. Buster was able to take advantage of Mike's short comings that were present even in the Rooney years by keeping him on the outside and nullifying Mike's mid-range game.

Buster looked like an ATG that night IMO.

Yes he did.

I recall Douglas looked in fabulous condition at the weigh in too, yet for some reason (expectation bias?) no one seemed to notice it or pay it much attention.

Nevertheless, Mike Tyson clearly wasn't the Mike Tyson that we were used to seeing that night.

Surely, that's also beyond argument?

Definitely bias was part of it. IIRC on common opponents Tyson had steamrolled them, while Douglas had struggled and/or lost.
I believe the fight was considered such a mismatch that the main reason it was held in Tokyo is because none of the big arenas or stadiums in the US wanted to pay good money for it.
Tyson clearly wasn't the same as he had been. His corner was in shambles, as was much of his life at the time. But I still think the version of Douglas that showed up in Tokyo gives Tyson at his best one hell of a fight.
Don't forget that during the years everyone shows as Tyson's prime, he really didn't fight or beat anyone that good. An old Larry Holmes may have been his best win during that time period. The division got stronger during the 90s.

[lazboy]

He just “beat someone up” on a plane. Footage has gone viral.