Lucky Tyson

mickey1975 · Post by **mickey1975** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:07

I've just been thinking, has there ever been a luckier boxer than Tyson? According to this forum Wlad, in Germany, undefeated in eleven years, just decided not to try hit him. Then undefeated long time world champion and Olympic medallist Wilder who everyone knew Tyson would be terrified to trade with turned out to be useless.... now Whyte, who has done twelve rounds regularly, after the best camp of his life, was gassed after four...
It might just be me, but do you see a common denominator?

margaret thatcher · Post by **margaret thatcher** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:13

ya, he was just lucky to win as a massive favourite today, nobody expected it

also, didnt you just say, like a couple posts ago, that you werent commenting on fury any more

bigjack · Post by **bigjack** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:15

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 04:13 ya, he was just lucky to win as a massive favourite today, nobody expected it

also, didnt you just say, like a couple posts ago, that you werent commenting on fury any more

Haha ,yes he did,lasted about as long as a Fury retirement

margaret thatcher · Post by **margaret thatcher** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:16

from fury-posting retirement to starting fury threads, a comeback for the ages

bigjack · Post by **bigjack** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:19

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 04:16 from fury-posting retirement to starting fury threads, a comeback for the ages

Only Leonards comeback was better than Mickeys

mickey1975 · Post by **mickey1975** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:42

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 04:13 ya, he was just lucky to win as a massive favourite today, nobody expected it

also, didnt you just say, like a couple posts ago, that you werent commenting on fury any more

He was a massive underdog in the Wlad and Wilder fights before they decided not to try.

bigjack · Post by **bigjack** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:44

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 04:42
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 04:13 ya, he was just lucky to win as a massive favourite today, nobody expected it

also, didnt you just say, like a couple posts ago, that you werent commenting on fury any more
He was a massive underdog in the Wlad and Wilder fights before they decided not to try.

Mickey,you know bookies get it wrong,take Paul Butler on Friday night,he was a big underdog and won fairly easily

gregregegg · Post by **gregregegg** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:45

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 04:07 I've just been thinking, has there ever been a luckier boxer than Tyson? According to this forum Wlad, in Germany, undefeated in eleven years, just decided not to try hit him. Then undefeated long time world champion and Olympic medallist Wilder who everyone knew Tyson would be terrified to trade with turned out to be useless.... now Whyte, who has done twelve rounds regularly, after the best camp of his life, was gassed after four...
It might just be me, but do you see a common denominator?

Vlad was 39. Wilder is fairly shit but can bang. And whyte is fairly shit but can rumble a bit. The common denominator is Fury wanted to fight them (wonder why).

If Usyk beats AJ, and Fury dont want it, then you can see a difference in the equation cant you... Fury dont want it.

Fury is probably the best heavyweight of the post klit era. But you cant beat wilder a few times, bang out whyte and call yourself the king.

The Docker · Post by **The Docker** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:46

Unfortunately Fury is also the beneficiary of fighting in a really sh!t era of heavyweight boxing. This current era is reputationally damaging.

mickey1975 · Post by **mickey1975** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:51

There you go, he's crap.

margaret thatcher · Post by **margaret thatcher** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:53

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 04:51 There you go, he's crap.

that's a bit harsh on tyson, ease up mickster my man

margaret thatcher · Post by **margaret thatcher** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:57

gregregegg wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 04:45
mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 04:07 I've just been thinking, has there ever been a luckier boxer than Tyson? According to this forum Wlad, in Germany, undefeated in eleven years, just decided not to try hit him. Then undefeated long time world champion and Olympic medallist Wilder who everyone knew Tyson would be terrified to trade with turned out to be useless.... now Whyte, who has done twelve rounds regularly, after the best camp of his life, was gassed after four...
It might just be me, but do you see a common denominator?
Vlad was 39. Wilder is fairly shit but can bang. And whyte is fairly shit but can rumble a bit. The common denominator is Fury wanted to fight them (wonder why).

If Usyk beats AJ, and Fury dont want it, then you can see a difference in the equation cant you... Fury dont want it.

Fury is probably the best heavyweight of the post klit era. But you cant beat wilder a few times, bang out whyte and call yourself the king.

fury beating usyk to become undisputed would be bigger than beating wilder

ewenhay · Post by **ewenhay** » 24 Apr 2022, 04:58

He's brilliant. No other heavyweight that size has had anywhere near the natural talent he has.

If people can't see that or don't want to admit it then it's their loss. They'll soon be complaining about the lack of talent once he's gone.

If he had a more chiselled physique then he'd probably get more respect from some who can't deal with the fact a guy with love handles is levels above the competition.

smiling assassin · Post by **smiling assassin** » 24 Apr 2022, 05:04

I give Fury all the respect he deserves. I’ve said for a long time that he’s the number 1 heavyweight. Last night did nothing for me though as I have never rated Whyte and have just seen him as a plodder with a hook. Fury dominated him like the man of the division should. I hope he don’t retire and goes on to beat the winner of AJ/Usyk then there will be no one who can doubt him

dan28uk · Post by **dan28uk** » 24 Apr 2022, 05:07

i would say fury was lucky in mcdermott 1 fight as someone has mentioned earlier i also thought he was lucky ref didn't wave it off after wilder floored him in the 12th i'm sure other refs would of waved it off straight away other than that he's beaten the best of a bad bunch i do think the legacy fights are aj and usyk which he should do but if he retires fair play to him he was brilliant last night and whyte was shit

gregregegg · Post by **gregregegg** » 24 Apr 2022, 05:24

Now i think about it Fury is pretty lucky

mcdermontt decision.

Otto cut being allowed to continue.

Wilder knockdown not being waved....

Fury is better than those fighters... But id he was lucky to get away with any of them, let alone all of them... its interesting, i wonder how people would see furys legacy if he had lost those 3.... crazy to think, exact same figher, considered best of an era by most, yet in a completly reasonable world with different officials he would have 3 losses and considered "decent"....

(not saying they should of gone against fury, but that cut gets stopped 9/10 times. And id say that wilder knock down gets waved 7/10 times, and id say 75% of people agree mcdermontt won the fist fight, So yea lucky to get away with all three)

chiggsy · Post by **chiggsy** » 24 Apr 2022, 05:30

Just behind lennox as the greatest british heavy of all time imo

Think a win against uysk puts him on a level pegging

mickey1975 · Post by **mickey1975** » 24 Apr 2022, 05:31

Gave McDermott immediate rematch, beat Wallin with one eye, got up and went on to knock out Wilder twice. You make your own luck.

Boxerbeetle · Post by **Boxerbeetle** » 24 Apr 2022, 05:33

Fury needs to beat either Usyk or Joshua to cement himself as number one for me. Not saying he wouldn’t beat them both, but he needs to prove it. They’re the top 3 in the division by an absolute mile, the rest are pretty crap.

gregregegg · Post by **gregregegg** » 24 Apr 2022, 05:34

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 05:31 Gave McDermott immediate rematch, beat Wallin with one eye, got up and went on to knock out Wilder twice. You make your own luck.

Absolutly. Im not suggesting he didnt beat mcdermott in the rematch. Im not suggesting he didnt win more rounds than wallin, and im not suggesting he didnt outpoint wilder.

But for you to suggest fury being undefeted didnt involve luck is just silly. Well, i guess your not denying his luck on Mcermont 1.

lucks always being a part of boxing... for example, if buster duglas didnt get a 13 second count he would of never beat mike tyson.... Its fine, there is a bit of luck in everything. just saying fury has got a good amount of it. and to be fair capitalised when he did.

high tower 1 · Post by **high tower 1** » 24 Apr 2022, 05:43

Mickey just has to get that last word in !

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 24 Apr 2022, 05:56

Picking off a Joshua leftover doesn't cement anything.

Riddick Bowie · Post by **Riddick Bowie** » 24 Apr 2022, 06:06

gregregegg wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 04:45 Vlad was 39. Wilder is fairly shit but can bang. And whyte is fairly shit but can rumble a bit. The common denominator is Fury wanted to fight them (wonder why).

If Usyk beats AJ, and Fury dont want it, then you can see a difference in the equation cant you... Fury dont want it.

Fury is probably the best heavyweight of the post klit era. But you cant beat wilder a few times, bang out whyte and call yourself the king.

It's impossible to argue with any of this.

Poor Mickey. If Fury retires without fighting the winner of Usyk/Joshua, he's going to have to spend the rest of his life logging into Boxrec and defending his hero.

bigjack · Post by **bigjack** » 24 Apr 2022, 06:13

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 05:56 Picking off a Joshua leftover doesn't cement anything.

A Joshua left over that was sparked out by a 40 year old too

handsofstone · Post by **handsofstone** » 24 Apr 2022, 06:18

Fair do's, what about his wild boar shenanigans and the fact that he ducked Joshua??

No doubt Fury's the man but he's not without faults, he needs to cross the Street instead of carrying on like he's done, it's like Spence swanning around like he's the man without going near Crawford

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