Errol Spence Jr vs Terence Crawford - Anytime anyplace anywhere

[Cent0089]

Just watched Spence vs Danny Garcia and Crawford vs Porter fights. Man i am hyped. Not been that hyped since Canelo vs Golovkin. Man we are waiting at least 3 years for this. Bring it on !!!

[NateJR]

lol, yall dudes talking about rematches already when we been waiting on this fight for years and its still never happened

how about they actually fight once first

HOF for Spence is an even bigger joke. The guy only has two significant wins so far and he is at the tail end of his career

Spence has had a fine career all things considered. Brook, Porter, Ugas and both Garcias are all good wins. IMO Spences 3 best wins are on par with Crawford. Crawford just had the luxury of having a slightly smaller frame and was able to compete at lower divisions where he was a complete monster and could unify a relatively weak division at the time.

The only significant names Spence has missed has been injury prone Thurman, a old Pacquiao and Crawford. Not that shabby.

[Bandog]

craw is defo a bigger puncher than ugas, ugas has only 12 stoppages in 32 fights and hasnt even scored a knockdown in about 4 years. crawford has 29 stoppages in 38 fights (over double the ko rate of ugas) and stopped/dropped everyone he's faced over the last 6 years.

common opponents porter and dulorme - ugas couldnt stop either, craw stopped both

ugas is lacking power if anything for a top level fighter, craw isnt

Better bet on Bud then. I like both, but aside from Spence getting KOd, I think Spence basically beats Bud up. No way does Bud win on points vs the relentless Spence.

im picking spence bruh

bud easily punches harder than ugas though, stupid to suggest otherwise. ffs ugas hasnt even dropped anyone in about 4 years

you know, it's possible to pick spence without resorting to dumb sh!t like that

Ugas is definitely bigger and stronger than Bud, but I could be wrong, knowing that doesn't always equate to punching power and how you deliver it. He's got enough power I wonder if he hit Crawford with what sent Spence to the ropes how he would take it. Crawford has been hurt by smaller guys....maybe Gamboa hits harder than Ugas?

[margaret thatcher]

Better bet on Bud then. I like both, but aside from Spence getting KOd, I think Spence basically beats Bud up. No way does Bud win on points vs the relentless Spence.

im picking spence bruh

bud easily punches harder than ugas though, stupid to suggest otherwise. ffs ugas hasnt even dropped anyone in about 4 years

you know, it's possible to pick spence without resorting to dumb sh!t like that

Ugas is definitely bigger and stronger than Bud, but I could be wrong, knowing that doesn't always equate to punching power and how you deliver it. He's got enough power I wonder if he hit Crawford with what sent Spence to the ropes how he would take it. Crawford has been hurt by smaller guys....maybe Gamboa hits harder than Ugas?

gamboa has nothing to do with whether crawford or ugas hit harder, weird comment my man


im picking spence too, but lmao that craw (6 year ko streak, stopped the 2 common opponents ugas had split decisions with) doesnt hit harder than a guy who hasnt scored even 1 kd in like 4 years. funny that you're moving to 'bigger and stronger' now lol

[NateJR]

I would have said this was a close fight before the fairly soft hitting Ugas put Spence in la-la land, Crawford would have knocked him out clean.
And that's how I see the fight. Crawford by KO.
And it won't save boxing. Boxing is dying through poor referees and judges, confusing belts and rankings, and fighters not fighting the best.

He slightly buzzed him first, but he shot that actualy hurt spence was when spence thought the fight had been stopped and was looking at his mouthgaurd.... I didnt understand what happened first time round, looked like spence was KOd standing and then ugas got him.. But watching again, ref like 3/4 jumps in, everything pauses, spence looks at mouthpeace, and ugas rightfuly gets him. rookie move, but dosnt mean he is chinny. in that context spence took it well. 147 Mayweather couldent punch, but look what he did to the guy that headbutted him and thought it was sorry time..

Spence thought the fight had been stopped because the fight had been stopped. Prior to Ugas landing the 2 piece on Spence while he was looking for his mouth piece the ref. Clearly yells STOP twice prior to Ugas landing those two punches that sent Spence back pedaling towards the ropes. Even had Spence went down it wouldn't have counted due to the referee already verbally stopping the action. Still a mental lapse by Spence and why he took fault in the whole incident.

[Bandog]

im picking spence bruh

bud easily punches harder than ugas though, stupid to suggest otherwise. ffs ugas hasnt even dropped anyone in about 4 years

you know, it's possible to pick spence without resorting to dumb sh!t like that

Ugas is definitely bigger and stronger than Bud, but I could be wrong, knowing that doesn't always equate to punching power and how you deliver it. He's got enough power I wonder if he hit Crawford with what sent Spence to the ropes how he would take it. Crawford has been hurt by smaller guys....maybe Gamboa hits harder than Ugas?

gamboa has nothing to do with whether crawford or ugas hit harder, weird comment my man


im picking spence too, but lmao that craw (6 year ko streak, stopped the 2 common opponents ugas had split decisions with) doesnt hit harder than a guy who hasnt scored even 1 kd in like 4 years. funny that you're moving to 'bigger and stronger' now lol

Because bigger and stronger is a fact. Crawford is basically Floyd's size, 5'8", starting at what, 135? He's finally growing into the weight.

Ugas has arguably a better resume than Crawford at welterweight.

[IKSRTFO]

Ugas is definitely bigger and stronger than Bud, but I could be wrong, knowing that doesn't always equate to punching power and how you deliver it. He's got enough power I wonder if he hit Crawford with what sent Spence to the ropes how he would take it. Crawford has been hurt by smaller guys....maybe Gamboa hits harder than Ugas?

gamboa has nothing to do with whether crawford or ugas hit harder, weird comment my man


im picking spence too, but lmao that craw (6 year ko streak, stopped the 2 common opponents ugas had split decisions with) doesnt hit harder than a guy who hasnt scored even 1 kd in like 4 years. funny that you're moving to 'bigger and stronger' now lol

Because bigger and stronger is a fact. Crawford is basically Floyd's size, 5'8", starting at what, 135? He's finally growing into the weight.

Ugas has arguably a better resume than Crawford at welterweight.

Bigger and maybe even stronger doesn't equal a harder puncher. Crawford clearly punches harder than Ugas. I'm not so sure Ugas would've even stopped Kell Brook.

[margaret thatcher]

Ugas is definitely bigger and stronger than Bud, but I could be wrong, knowing that doesn't always equate to punching power and how you deliver it. He's got enough power I wonder if he hit Crawford with what sent Spence to the ropes how he would take it. Crawford has been hurt by smaller guys....maybe Gamboa hits harder than Ugas?

gamboa has nothing to do with whether crawford or ugas hit harder, weird comment my man


im picking spence too, but lmao that craw (6 year ko streak, stopped the 2 common opponents ugas had split decisions with) doesnt hit harder than a guy who hasnt scored even 1 kd in like 4 years. funny that you're moving to 'bigger and stronger' now lol

Because bigger and stronger is a fact. Crawford is basically Floyd's size, 5'8", starting at what, 135? He's finally growing into the weight.

Ugas has arguably a better resume than Crawford at welterweight.

Cool bruh, and just like you bringing up gamboa, none of that relates to your claim that Ugas, a man that hasnt even scored a kd in like 4 years, punches as hard as Crawford - a man with a 6 year ko streak, 100 percent stoppages at 147, and stoppage wins over 2 guys ugas went to splits with (porter and dulorme)

as i said, i like spence in that fight too, there's no reason to resort to stupid sh!t to make the argument

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It's probably hyperbole to say it's the biggest fight at 147 since Leonard V Hearns, but I am struggling to think of any bigger.

What division was Mayweather - Pacquiao at? Because that fight was like 20 times bigger. Each of Mayweather and Pacquiao were unanimously recognized as p4p #1 for multiple years. Each of them had done multiple 1 million+ ppv buy shows. When they fought each other, they pulled 4.6 million buys. It was a $600 million match-up, and the fighters were paid around $350 million combined. If Spence fought Crawford, they would probably each take home $25-40 million, and the show would probably do something like 1 million buys. When Spence and Crawford fight regular contenders, they do 135-250 thousand ppv buys. Neither one has ever broke 400,000 buys. Even Spence vs Mikey Garcia made less than $20 million total revenue, and Mikey Garcia was hailed at a very hyped top 5 p4p fighter.

In terms of numbers, Mayweather V PAC was the biggest WW fight ever, however, it was five years too late and a damp squib.

Spence/Crawford would not touch the sides in terms of numbers, but in terms in signifance, it would matter much more.

They are number 1 & 2 in the division; they both hold all the major belts; they are both still in their primes; Crawford is a legitimate hall-of-famer and Spence will end up there too, especially if he is victorious and the winner will be the undisputed champion in the so-called 4 belt era.

That matters to me more than straight up money and numbers.

[IKSRTFO]

It's probably hyperbole to say it's the biggest fight at 147 since Leonard V Hearns, but I am struggling to think of any bigger.

What division was Mayweather - Pacquiao at? Because that fight was like 20 times bigger. Each of Mayweather and Pacquiao were unanimously recognized as p4p #1 for multiple years. Each of them had done multiple 1 million+ ppv buy shows. When they fought each other, they pulled 4.6 million buys. It was a $600 million match-up, and the fighters were paid around $350 million combined. If Spence fought Crawford, they would probably each take home $25-40 million, and the show would probably do something like 1 million buys. When Spence and Crawford fight regular contenders, they do 135-250 thousand ppv buys. Neither one has ever broke 400,000 buys. Even Spence vs Mikey Garcia made less than $20 million total revenue, and Mikey Garcia was hailed at a very hyped top 5 p4p fighter.

In terms of numbers, Mayweather V PAC was the biggest WW fight ever, however, it was five years too late and a damp squib.

Spence/Crawford would not touch the sides in terms of numbers, but in terms in signifance, it would matter much more.

They are number 1 & 2 in the division; they both hold all the major belts; they are both still in their primes; Crawford is a legitimate hall-of-famer and Spence will end up there too, especially if he is victorious and the winner will be the undisputed champion in the so-called 4 belt era.

That matters to me more than straight up money and numbers.

Wasn't that true with Trinidad DLH?

[Bandog]

One thing that is significant, unless I am wrong, is it will be the first ever undisputed champ at 147.

[margaret thatcher]

if it ever f@cking happens maybe

[gregregegg]

People are so confedent it happens. I don't think it does... It's mental if it dosent, just think there's 2 egos that won't back down.

It's a classic wilder vs AJ situation. Biggest fight possible, 1 belt vs 3, a good draw vs an eh draw (not as extream here).

One thing that might make this fight is if WBO tell crawford to fight boots, vacate, or unify... With no move up Mando option.... Better to take 40% of a 50 million dollar undisputed 50-50, than 70% of a 7 million dollar 50-50 vs a prospect...

[margaret thatcher]

neither of these dudes have shown that they want it really badly. seem content with fighting much lesser opponents for good money. didnt spence talk of moving to 154 instead of fighting craw, and craw also has talked of other things

not sure they really have that burning desire to fight each other

[lazboy]

If they don’t fight each other they shouldn’t be put in the HOF due to the ridiculous standard they are perpetuating I.e., not fighting the best possible opponent when there is opportunity to do so.

[IKSRTFO]

One thing that is significant, unless I am wrong, is it will be the first ever undisputed champ at 147.

You're right and wrong in a way. It would be the first four belt undisputed champ at 147. Before the WBO was considered a major title, you only needed three belts. I believe Zab Judah was the last 147 undisputed champ.

Don't hold your breath though. IBO could in the future become a major title and you would need five belts to become undisputed.

[Bandog]

People are so confedent it happens. I don't think it does... It's mental if it dosent, just think there's 2 egos that won't back down.

It's a classic wilder vs AJ situation. Biggest fight possible, 1 belt vs 3, a good draw vs an eh draw (not as extream here).

One thing that might make this fight is if WBO tell crawford to fight boots, vacate, or unify... With no move up Mando option.... Better to take 40% of a 50 million dollar undisputed 50-50, than 70% of a 7 million dollar 50-50 vs a prospect...

Spence guarantees it happens this year.


https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/04/er ... this-year/

[IKSRTFO]

People are so confedent it happens. I don't think it does... It's mental if it dosent, just think there's 2 egos that won't back down.

It's a classic wilder vs AJ situation. Biggest fight possible, 1 belt vs 3, a good draw vs an eh draw (not as extream here).

One thing that might make this fight is if WBO tell crawford to fight boots, vacate, or unify... With no move up Mando option.... Better to take 40% of a 50 million dollar undisputed 50-50, than 70% of a 7 million dollar 50-50 vs a prospect...

Spence guarantees it happens this year.


https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/04/er ... this-year/

Crawford has to agree.

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One thing that is significant, unless I am wrong, is it will be the first ever undisputed champ at 147.

You're right and wrong in a way. It would be the first four belt undisputed champ at 147. Before the WBO was considered a major title, you only needed three belts. I believe Zab Judah was the last 147 undisputed champ.

Don't hold your breath though. IBO could in the future become a major title and you would need five belts to become undisputed.

Too true.

I remember when the WBO was a joke and certain boxing publications didn't even recognise its champions.

It was particularly poignant and amusing when Mike Tyson was the undisputed HW champion, but Francesco Damiani was the WBO champion.

Nobody clamoured for those two to fight.

Now the WBO is considered a 'major'.

It can't possibly be too long before the IBO is held in the same regard.

[margaret thatcher]

for several years now the wbo champs are generally just as good as the other 3 main org champs...........the ibo are nowhere near. that mexican who beat maxwell today is an ibo world champ. jack massey is an ibo world champ. jovanni straffon was an ibo world champ. and as always, several random africans are ibo champs. these dudes wouldnt even sniff an interim wba title

id say of the ibo's 10 champs, only 2 are actually top 10 in the world. and pretty much any time a top fighter is ibo champ, they picked it up with other belts, rather than just fighting for the ibo

the guys who pursue it specifically do it because they cant cut it with the bigger belts

[caldo2025]

The best part is that I think that this will end up being both Spence & Bud’s last fight at 147 before moving up. Which means that we are bound to get at least 1 more or 2 more fights together at 154 & 160 before they hang up the gloves and get inducted into HOF.

Greatest fight matchup since Hagler/Leonard.

It's curious, but watching Spence in this fight, I found myself imagining him going up to 160 and taking on Golovkin.

GGG seems to susceptible to a body attack and there's probably no better body puncher than Spence in the sport.

I don’t see GGG fighting any further than the Canelo trilogy. But there are some super interesting fights at 154-160 right now.

[Bandog]

I hope Bud comes off his high horse demands of 50-50 that has been the main reason this fight hasn't happened.

As we all know, draw power dictates purse splits for the biggest fights. This is no different. Bud needs to accept 60-40 or 70-30, and can negotiate for the opposite if he wins. If he isn't confident of winning he won't negotiate, or get the fight, and it will be 100% on him.

Hell, Floyd took only 50% in his fight vs DLH, I'm sure Canelo did similar with Floyd.

[IKSRTFO]

I hope Bud comes off his high horse demands of 50-50 that has been the main reason this fight hasn't happened.

As we all know, draw power dictates purse splits for the biggest fights. This is no different. Bud needs to accept 60-40 or 70-30, and can negotiate for the opposite if he wins. If he isn't confident of winning he won't negotiate, or get the fight, and it will be 100% on him.

Hell, Floyd took only 50% in his fight vs DLH, I'm sure Canelo did similar with Floyd.

No, it started with the "other side of the street" talk which happened before Spence was even a PPV draw.

[margaret thatcher]

I hope Bud comes off his high horse demands of 50-50 that has been the main reason this fight hasn't happened.

As we all know, draw power dictates purse splits for the biggest fights. This is no different. Bud needs to accept 60-40 or 70-30, and can negotiate for the opposite if he wins. If he isn't confident of winning he won't negotiate, or get the fight, and it will be 100% on him.

Hell, Floyd took only 50% in his fight vs DLH, I'm sure Canelo did similar with Floyd.

how much did spenny and craw make for their last fights?

does spence make 2x more than bud

[Ruthless-RKO]

I hope Bud comes off his high horse demands of 50-50 that has been the main reason this fight hasn't happened.

As we all know, draw power dictates purse splits for the biggest fights. This is no different. Bud needs to accept 60-40 or 70-30, and can negotiate for the opposite if he wins. If he isn't confident of winning he won't negotiate, or get the fight, and it will be 100% on him.

Hell, Floyd took only 50% in his fight vs DLH, I'm sure Canelo did similar with Floyd.

how much did spenny and craw make for their last fights?

does spence make 2x more than bud

Well, Crawford was on a good contract and on a minimum of nearly $4m guarantee per fight.

His purse was probably double that against Khan, he was on double that against Porter too.

I’m hearing a lot of chatter that the Spence-Ugas PPV has absolutely flopped. We’re talking Tank figures.

They’ll never be released figures.

But I also read it did around 240k buys. Still declining figures since he made his PPV debut.

Live Gate was $5m which is very respectable.

Spence for a min guarantee $1.5m against Ugas. Could rise to $5m after PPV share.

They were expecting more than 300k buys.

The figures were released pretty quickly though compared to when we usually get them.