Fair doesn't even come into it. You could never say it how it is as boxing journo. You either toe the line and end up ringside or do the job properly and end up in the gods.maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 05:11He’s run articles in Boxing News about Kinahan which I’ve seen but I didn’t think (I could be wrong here) that he was one of the guys asking Tyson repeatedly about it during fight week.Fightnight Scores wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 05:05He's pretty vocal about it on the Boxing Monthly podcast.
I thought all of his BNews articles about Kinahan have been fair.
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One of those so-called 'arse-lickers told me many years ago that 'as long as that cheque comes through the oost' he would say whatever they wanted.Monzon83 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 11:37This 100%. It's incredible that a man of Kinahan's background can waltz into boxing without journalists asking serious questions.Alba wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 06:50Harrasing?behavemickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 03:54 I thought some, especially Sky, were out of order harassing Tyson about it on fight week.
It's called journalism, it's not like they were doorstepping him. If fury is going to keep company like that, he can't spit the dummy when he gets pressed on it,
Gareth Davies, Bunce and the other lapdogs should be ashamed of themselves. They're not journalists they are professional ass-lickers.
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540649 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 02:06One of those so-called 'arse-lickers told me many years ago that 'as long as that cheque comes through the post' he would say whatever they wanted.Monzon83 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 11:37This 100%. It's incredible that a man of Kinahan's background can waltz into boxing without journalists asking serious questions.
Gareth Davies, Bunce and the other lapdogs should be ashamed of themselves. They're not journalists they are professional ass-lickers.
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Black Sam Bellamy
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People like Ollie Holt are just there for the freebie. Tell me the last time he wrote anything vaguely positive when it comes to boxing.
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Offthehook
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kugan probably understands boxing better than mccrae, who writes in overly flowery english about several subjects not just boxing, i cringe reading his dramatic descriptions of dull fights and chuckle at some of the predictions he makes.MightyWarrior wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 17:24Yeh well boxing doesn’t need any more dumbing down, it’s dumb enough as it is.CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 16:43.
If each of the 94000 ticket holders had been sent an email asking which of these two men have you heard of … Mcrae or Kugan I guarantee you Kugan gets a recognition ratio of 100:1
Kugan the butt kissing sleeze ball shilling for a crime boss, talking any old bullshit as long as the price is right !
As opposed to Matt of BN taking the fuckers to task and upsetting Frank in the process. Ones a journalist, the other’s a bozo w a camera
every journalist has biases, even mccrae.
Its all subjective, but i prefer Koogs by a long way
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MightyWarrior
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McRae’s book The Dark Trade is one of the best books on boxing ever written.
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You gotta be kidding meOffthehook wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 04:45kugan probably understands boxing better than mccrae, who writes in overly flowery english about several subjects not just boxing, i cringe reading his dramatic descriptions of dull fights and chuckle at some of the predictions he makes.MightyWarrior wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 17:24Yeh well boxing doesn’t need any more dumbing down, it’s dumb enough as it is.CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 16:43.
If each of the 94000 ticket holders had been sent an email asking which of these two men have you heard of … Mcrae or Kugan I guarantee you Kugan gets a recognition ratio of 100:1
Kugan the butt kissing sleeze ball shilling for a crime boss, talking any old bullshit as long as the price is right !
As opposed to Matt of BN taking the fuckers to task and upsetting Frank in the process. Ones a journalist, the other’s a bozo w a camera
every journalist has biases, even mccrae.
Its all subjective, but i prefer Koogs by a long way
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Wee Tommy
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The article he wrote after the fight says it all about why he was sat where he was.Black Sam Bellamy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 04:21 People like Ollie Holt are just there for the freebie. Tell me the last time he wrote anything vaguely positive when it comes to boxing.
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Years ago , i owned a couple taxis , and the mob i worked for had a contract with a newspaper , i got on well with most of the journalist who used to use us , the newspaper got a discounted rate so most drivers did'nt want the work , i liked it because there was usually waiting time and long journeys involved ,, Anyway a couple of things i noticed about them is
1 ,,,, They all seemed to be heavy drinkers
2 , ,,,,, They all seemed real oddballs , sort of like there often portrayed in the movies
1 ,,,, They all seemed to be heavy drinkers
2 , ,,,,, They all seemed real oddballs , sort of like there often portrayed in the movies
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Black Sam Bellamy
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'OLIVER HOLT: Tyson Fury may have prevailed in his fight against Dillian Whyte, but he lost the one fought over Daniel Kinahan... no amount of perfect uppercuts will smooth away questions about his relationship with the alleged crime boss'Wee Tommy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 09:14The article he wrote after the fight says it all about why he was sat where he was.Black Sam Bellamy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 04:21 People like Ollie Holt are just there for the freebie. Tell me the last time he wrote anything vaguely positive when it comes to boxing.
He could have written that copy from his spare bedroom, so why does he even need to be there ?
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mickey1975
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I don't think Tyson has ever denied DK. Just like he never denied his Uncle Peter being a gangster or his dad doing a load of porridge. Holt thrives on it.Black Sam Bellamy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 11:23'OLIVER HOLT: Tyson Fury may have prevailed in his fight against Dillian Whyte, but he lost the one fought over Daniel Kinahan... no amount of perfect uppercuts will smooth away questions about his relationship with the alleged crime boss'Wee Tommy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 09:14The article he wrote after the fight says it all about why he was sat where he was.Black Sam Bellamy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 04:21 People like Ollie Holt are just there for the freebie. Tell me the last time he wrote anything vaguely positive when it comes to boxing.
He could have written that copy from his spare bedroom, so why does he even need to be there ?
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Wee Tommy
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Exactly shite article. From what I’ve been told DK basically saved Tyson from heavy depression and got him back to where he is now. At the time the guy had no criminal record and in fairness you take people as you find them. I can see why Tyson thanks him and I can also see why other folk hate him and want him jailed. At the end of the day Tysons just a boxer doing his best in that game, he’s not facilitating crime.Black Sam Bellamy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 11:23'OLIVER HOLT: Tyson Fury may have prevailed in his fight against Dillian Whyte, but he lost the one fought over Daniel Kinahan... no amount of perfect uppercuts will smooth away questions about his relationship with the alleged crime boss'Wee Tommy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 09:14The article he wrote after the fight says it all about why he was sat where he was.Black Sam Bellamy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 04:21 People like Ollie Holt are just there for the freebie. Tell me the last time he wrote anything vaguely positive when it comes to boxing.
He could have written that copy from his spare bedroom, so why does he even need to be there ?
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margaret thatcher
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add mental health therapist to dk's credentials 
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It wasn’t an electric undercard by any stretch , but everyone ringside was looking at their phones, their mates … basically looking everywhere but inside the ring.
I bet you can take multiple still shots of their faces during any undercard bout and you’d get pics of the entire ringside audience looking away from the fight literally 20ft in front of them.
At least proper fight journalists would be there watching it and relaying it all across social media etc. But this has nothing to do with professional sport nowadays- it’s all about money and clout for those around the ring.
Manicured Insta stories and hashtags.
I bet you can take multiple still shots of their faces during any undercard bout and you’d get pics of the entire ringside audience looking away from the fight literally 20ft in front of them.
At least proper fight journalists would be there watching it and relaying it all across social media etc. But this has nothing to do with professional sport nowadays- it’s all about money and clout for those around the ring.
Manicured Insta stories and hashtags.
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polecateddy
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Boxing journalists in the UK don’t just seem to be a dying breed, more near extinct! Boxing Monthly was excellent but now is long gone, and you’d have to wonder how long the paper edition of Boxing News will last. Incredibly hard work - I think Claude used to say in was an all-consuming lifestyle keeping the paper on schedule. No wonder he retired in the end. You’d think the promoter would be beyond silly stunts like this by now.
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Believe,to run any type of daily/weekly boxing mag/website/YouTube channel you can forget having a life.polecateddy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 13:50 Boxing journalists in the UK don’t just seem to be a dying breed, more near extinct! Boxing Monthly was excellent but now is long gone, and you’d have to wonder how long the paper edition of Boxing News will last. Incredibly hard work - I think Claude used to say in was an all-consuming lifestyle keeping the paper on schedule. No wonder he retired in the end. You’d think the promoter would be beyond silly stunts like this by now.
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Yes, Boxing News were banned I believe for suggesting that Sports Network were unwilling to have their fighters perform on rival shows, reducing the amount of good fights that could be made.maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2022, 03:29 Sadly I’m not particularly surprised. Frank’s had times when he’s banned certain people/publications from attending fights when they’ve written pieces he wasn’t happy with.
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Fw has form for this
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What does Abrams do now ?polecateddy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 13:50 Boxing journalists in the UK don’t just seem to be a dying breed, more near extinct! Boxing Monthly was excellent but now is long gone, and you’d have to wonder how long the paper edition of Boxing News will last. Incredibly hard work - I think Claude used to say in was an all-consuming lifestyle keeping the paper on schedule. No wonder he retired in the end. You’d think the promoter would be beyond silly stunts like this by now.
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polecateddy
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I’m not sure, although that sparring Naz story was class back in the day. Although now I think I think Claude might well be a fitness/lifestyle guru.JamesPhilips wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 16:21What does Abrams do now ?polecateddy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 13:50 Boxing journalists in the UK don’t just seem to be a dying breed, more near extinct! Boxing Monthly was excellent but now is long gone, and you’d have to wonder how long the paper edition of Boxing News will last. Incredibly hard work - I think Claude used to say in was an all-consuming lifestyle keeping the paper on schedule. No wonder he retired in the end. You’d think the promoter would be beyond silly stunts like this by now.
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Abrams did a good Dixons life stories where he addressed all the above.
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good old Frank W. He doesnt let the tail wag the dog.
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to get the best media gigs in boxing its who you know or who you blow.
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Muttley wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 14:17Believe me,to run any type of daily/weekly boxing mag/website/YouTube channel you can forget having a life.polecateddy wrote: ↑25 Apr 2022, 13:50 Boxing journalists in the UK don’t just seem to be a dying breed, more near extinct! Boxing Monthly was excellent but now is long gone, and you’d have to wonder how long the paper edition of Boxing News will last. Incredibly hard work - I think Claude used to say in was an all-consuming lifestyle keeping the paper on schedule. No wonder he retired in the end. You’d think the promoter would be beyond silly stunts like this by now.