BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Fury vs. Whyte

[KiwiRider]

Drop Whyte to 14.
One above Chisora.
If Chisora is the UK gatekeeper, then Whyte is the European one.
He has been proven 3 times to be below world standard.
After waiting 3+ years for his title shot, that was an abysmal performance.

[margaret thatcher]

Drop Whyte to 14.
One above Chisora.
If Chisora is the UK gatekeeper, then Whyte is the European one.
He has been proven 3 times to be below world standard.
After waiting 3+ years for his title shot, that was an abysmal performance.

so where would you rank parker then? lost to whyte and got dropped/only won a split vs chis

some of these rankings are just weird tbh

[KiwiRider]

Drop Whyte to 14.
One above Chisora.
If Chisora is the UK gatekeeper, then Whyte is the European one.
He has been proven 3 times to be below world standard.
After waiting 3+ years for his title shot, that was an abysmal performance.

so where would you rank parker then? lost to whyte and got dropped/only won a split vs chis

One or two above Whyte. I am pretty confident he beats Whyte, and he would have beaten him the first time.

[margaret thatcher]

Drop Whyte to 14.
One above Chisora.
If Chisora is the UK gatekeeper, then Whyte is the European one.
He has been proven 3 times to be below world standard.
After waiting 3+ years for his title shot, that was an abysmal performance.

so where would you rank parker then? lost to whyte and got dropped/only won a split vs chis

One or two above Whyte. I am pretty confident he beats Whyte, and he would have beaten him the first time.

he lost to whyte, your #14

and he got dropped by chizz and barely won by split the first time

is he a euro gatekeeper too?

[oogiebe]

just saying, andy ruiz has 1 unimpressive win over about the last 3 years. inactive for a year

ortiz since 2018 has only beaaten florez, hammer, and martin, none of whom we ranked at the time. whytes beaten parker, rivas, povetkin, chisora, and wach. 4 of the 5 we ranked and the other ko'd one of ortiz's guys

just seems odd to me that whyte would plummet below guys like this off the loss to #1. we arent voting on these guys but we can factor them in when deciding where to place whyte

I get it. It's an imperfect setting. We're bound to disagree on things here. Makes it fun and interesting. Besides, Whyte was Gawd-Awful in this fight right from the onset.

[margaret thatcher]

when was the last time ortiz beat a guy in our top 15?

[oogiebe]

when was the last time ortiz beat a guy in our top 15?

LOL! Has he?

[margaret thatcher]

no, so why are all these dudes voting whyte below him lol. whyte's gotten like 5 wins over top 15-ers in the last 3/4 years

[KiwiRider]

so where would you rank parker then? lost to whyte and got dropped/only won a split vs chis

One or two above Whyte. I am pretty confident he beats Whyte, and he would have beaten him the first time.

he lost to whyte, your #14

and he got dropped by chizz and barely won by split the first time

is he a euro gatekeeper too?

He has a much more proven level than some of those above him on the list. And I'm not sure he is a gatekeeper, but the loser of Joyce Parker deserves a drop in ranking by a few.

[margaret thatcher]

One or two above Whyte. I am pretty confident he beats Whyte, and he would have beaten him the first time.

he lost to whyte, your #14

and he got dropped by chizz and barely won by split the first time

is he a euro gatekeeper too?

He has a much more proven level than some of those above him on the list. And I'm not sure he is a gatekeeper, but the loser of Joyce Parker deserves a drop in ranking by a few.

well, he's certainly proven to be a loser to whyte and to barely be able to beat chizz

[oogiebe]

no, so why are all these dudes voting whyte below him lol. whyte's gotten like 5 wins over top 15-ers in the last 3/4 years

"what have you done for me lately." is inactivity worse than losing? Losing 2x by KO?

[margaret thatcher]

no, so why are all these dudes voting whyte below him lol. whyte's gotten like 5 wins over top 15-ers in the last 3/4 years

"what have you done for me lately." is inactivity worse than losing? Losing 2x by KO?

ortiz was brutaally ktfo a couple fights ago ago himself

in the same time that whyte's beaten parker, rivas, povetkin, chisora, and wach, 4 of whom were in our top 15.....ortiz hasnt beaten 1 top 15 fighter.

these votes are the weirdest ive seen yet on any of our polls. whyte getting plummeted below far lesser accomplished fighters because he lost to the clear #1

hell, let's put him below pulev while we're at it , seems to fit right in with the theme

[KiwiRider]

no, so why are all these dudes voting whyte below him lol. whyte's gotten like 5 wins over top 15-ers in the last 3/4 years

"what have you done for me lately." is inactivity worse than losing? Losing 2x by KO?

ortiz was brutaally ktfo a couple fights ago ago himself

in the same time that whyte's beaten parker, rivas, povetkin, chisora, and wach.....ortiz hasnt beaten 1 top 15 fighter.

these votes are the weirdest ive seen yet on any of our polls. whyte getting plummeted below far lesser accomplished fighters because he lost to the clear #1

hell, let's put him below pulev while we're at it , seems to fit right in with the theme

I would have pappy Ortiz off the list all together if there was anyone half decent to replace him. He does have fight changing power as displayed against Martin. But not a lot else.
I feel like you may have a hornet in your handbag today Mags, looking for a bit of niggle?

[oogiebe]

no, so why are all these dudes voting whyte below him lol. whyte's gotten like 5 wins over top 15-ers in the last 3/4 years

"what have you done for me lately." is inactivity worse than losing? Losing 2x by KO?

ortiz was brutaally ktfo a couple fights ago ago himself

in the same time that whyte's beaten parker, rivas, povetkin, chisora, and wach.....ortiz hasnt beaten 1 top 15 fighter.

these votes are the weirdest ive seen yet on any of our polls. whyte getting plummeted below far lesser accomplished fighters because he lost to the clear #1

hell, let's put him below pulev while we're at it , seems to fit right in with the theme

Everything depends on how one looks at it. 10 was a low as I'd go and that was difficult going through each rung as there are arguments each decision. He just looked so damn bad in this one. Orts' losses to Wilder, he did himself a much better service than whyte. I see your point, but I just don't agree at this time.

[margaret thatcher]

nah, just as someone whose been involved in these ratings for a while, dropping whyte so much on the fury loss is exactly how we;ve gotten guys climbing rankings when theyve been inactive or done nothing remotely impressive for years. its moves like that which reward guys for sitting around/can crushing and punish guys who challenge themselves

[margaret thatcher]

"what have you done for me lately." is inactivity worse than losing? Losing 2x by KO?

ortiz was brutaally ktfo a couple fights ago ago himself

in the same time that whyte's beaten parker, rivas, povetkin, chisora, and wach.....ortiz hasnt beaten 1 top 15 fighter.

these votes are the weirdest ive seen yet on any of our polls. whyte getting plummeted below far lesser accomplished fighters because he lost to the clear #1

hell, let's put him below pulev while we're at it , seems to fit right in with the theme

Everything depends on how one looks at it. 10 was a low as I'd go and that was difficult going through each rung as there are arguments each decision. He just looked so damn bad in this one. Orts' losses to Wilder, he did himself a much better service than whyte. I see your point, but I just don't agree at this time.

having whyte below a 43 year old who has never beaten one of our ranked fighters is something i just dont grasp. its rewarding/punishing the wrong things

otto wallin did better than whyte against fury, should we move whyte beneath him too? beating breazeale is about as good as beating martin as well

[oogiebe]

ortiz was brutaally ktfo a couple fights ago ago himself

in the same time that whyte's beaten parker, rivas, povetkin, chisora, and wach.....ortiz hasnt beaten 1 top 15 fighter.

these votes are the weirdest ive seen yet on any of our polls. whyte getting plummeted below far lesser accomplished fighters because he lost to the clear #1

hell, let's put him below pulev while we're at it , seems to fit right in with the theme

Everything depends on how one looks at it. 10 was a low as I'd go and that was difficult going through each rung as there are arguments each decision. He just looked so damn bad in this one. Orts' losses to Wilder, he did himself a much better service than whyte. I see your point, but I just don't agree at this time.

having whyte below a 43 year old who has never beaten one of our ranked fighters is something i just dont grasp. its rewarding/punishing the wrong things

Again, that's how you see it. 1-2-0 being kayoed twice isn't very deserving of a high ranking. if it were up to me, pulev would be out of the rankings altogether at his point.

[margaret thatcher]

why do you keep stopping at his last 3? he's had more fights than that. where did you rank him going into the fury fight? you seem to care more about his loss in 2020 to pov now

and win over pov would still eclipse anything ortiz's done lately !

whyte has at least 5 wins over guys in our top 15, ortiz is a 43 year old who has 0 and was brutally ktfo himself a couple fights ago. whatever i guess, i just dont get it

[oogiebe]

why do you keep stopping at his last 3? he's had more fights than that.

still better than coming off the canvas twice to beat charles martin too

whyte has at least 5 wins over guys in our top 15, ortiz is a 43 year old who has 0 and was brutally ktfo himself a couple fights ago. whatever i guess, i just dont get it

I know you don't get it. You've made that clear. I tried to give my point of view. Can't do much more for you mate!

[margaret thatcher]

why do you keep stopping at his last 3? he's had more fights than that.

still better than coming off the canvas twice to beat charles martin too

whyte has at least 5 wins over guys in our top 15, ortiz is a 43 year old who has 0 and was brutally ktfo himself a couple fights ago. whatever i guess, i just dont get it

I know you don't get it. You've made that clear. I tried to give my point of view. Can't do much more for you mate!

where did you rank whyte going into the fury fight?

[oogiebe]

why do you keep stopping at his last 3? he's had more fights than that.

still better than coming off the canvas twice to beat charles martin too

whyte has at least 5 wins over guys in our top 15, ortiz is a 43 year old who has 0 and was brutally ktfo himself a couple fights ago. whatever i guess, i just dont get it

I know you don't get it. You've made that clear. I tried to give my point of view. Can't do much more for you mate!

where did you rank whyte going into the fury fight?

I had him; parker; and joyce bottled up.

[oogiebe]

Could have had him anywhere 8th to 10th after the fury fight.

[margaret thatcher]

hopefully sense prevails and he doesnt drop below a geriatric who has never even beaten 1 guy we rank

[oogiebe]

hopefully sense prevails and he doesnt drop below a geriatric who has never even beaten 1 guy we rank

what's that like 11 times you mentioned that?

[margaret thatcher]

12 bruh, 12