Boxing myths

[bigjack]

It was a rough (and unfair) night for Gamache to put it mildly. But still, a bloody lovey finishing combo from Arturo.

what was unfair ? I don't know the story here

Gatti didn't weigh in properly. He got on the scale but it never settled. Nobody thinks he made weight. If he was a couple of pounds over at weigh in, which he could well have been, he will have been so much stronger on fight night than if he'd cut all the weight. He entered the ring at about 160lbs. Gamache 143lbs.

Ah right,well if that's the case it's not right

[jimmystone]

what was unfair ? I don't know the story here

Gatti didn't weigh in properly. He got on the scale but it never settled. Nobody thinks he made weight. If he was a couple of pounds over at weigh in, which he could well have been, he will have been so much stronger on fight night than if he'd cut all the weight. He entered the ring at about 160lbs. Gamache 143lbs.

Ah right,well if that's the case it's not right

NYSAC were found negligent. If Gatti's team leant on them, then I can see Loynsey's point that it may have been criminal negligence, I suppose. I know criminal law is not his specialism but he knows a shite load more than I ever will.

[mickey1975]

I was being sarcastic. Loynesy is indeed a legal guy.

[jimmystone]

I was being sarcastic. Loynesy is indeed a legal guy.

I know he is but he's M&A rather than criminal, I believe. Like I said, he'll still know way more than me which is why I'm interested in why he thinks Gatti (or his team) were acting criminally. I suspect it's because he knows or suspects there was some sort of complicit agreement with the NYSAC to turn a blind eye, if that's the case I'm with him 100%. If it's just that Gatti managed to blag it on the scales and the NYSAC acted negligently in not making sure he weighed in properly, I disagree with him.

[Loynesy]

It's very sad and very disturbing and although it happened over 20 years ago, it almost killed a man I like very much.

[Kilburn]

While there’s no denying Gatti benefited from the weight shenanigans, we can only speculate as to what would have happened had he made it all the way down to 140 on the scales. It’s fair to say he could usually be relied upon to throw a lot of hard punches in a fight, whatever weight was reached. The 60 fight veteran Gamache was surely always going to be in for a torrid experience.

Could the wisdom of team Gamache taking a fight at 140 at that time be a tad questionable too, given how rough it was always likely to be against Gatti?

[Glass Joe]

People offended by bad language

No one is every offended by swearing while watching the boxing. Blood, bad kos and brain damage much worse.

[Grilling Machine]

Blood, bad kos and brain damage much worse.

And there's Smith and Froch.

[polecateddy]

A recent myth I guess might be that Deontay Wilder is really poor. Probably at this stage we have to listen to Tyson Fury and say probably only Fury and Usyk beats this guy. Not Joshua, who may avoid him like the plague.

[mickey1975]

A recent myth I guess might be that Deontay Wilder is really poor. Probably at this stage we have to listen to Tyson Fury and say probably only Fury and Usyk beats this guy. Not Joshua, who may avoid him like the plague.

Whyte has made Wilder look very good.

[Frostieballs]

A recent myth I guess might be that Deontay Wilder is really poor. Probably at this stage we have to listen to Tyson Fury and say probably only Fury and Usyk beats this guy. Not Joshua, who may avoid him like the plague.

Whyte has made Wilder look very good.

I don’t agree with that. Whyte has just made Whyte look bad.

Read down Wilders record, it just doesn’t stand up.

The Fury of Saturday night deals with Wilder just as handily.

[margaret thatcher]

A recent myth I guess might be that Deontay Wilder is really poor. Probably at this stage we have to listen to Tyson Fury and say probably only Fury and Usyk beats this guy. Not Joshua, who may avoid him like the plague.

Whyte has made Wilder look very good.

otto wallin too, unlike deontay and whyte he was never budged either

with each fury win, the legends of wilder and wallin grow, which in turn makes them rank as better opponents for fury

works perfectly lol

[margaret thatcher]

A recent myth I guess might be that Deontay Wilder is really poor. Probably at this stage we have to listen to Tyson Fury and say probably only Fury and Usyk beats this guy. Not Joshua, who may avoid him like the plague.

i guess if usyk 'probably' beats wilder, josh is facing the tougher opponent than if he were fighting wilder

[bigjack]

People offended by bad language

No one is every offended by swearing while watching the boxing. Blood, bad kos and brain damage much worse.

I kid you not,i watched a channel 5 fight night and as the programme came back on after the ads there was a warning 'this programme may contain violence'

[GreenLightning]

People offended by bad language

No one is every offended by swearing while watching the boxing. Blood, bad kos and brain damage much worse.

People have to understand that the apologies for the language isn't in case a snowflake viewer gets offended, it's for pre watershed replays of the fight, just covers their nut

[GreenLightning]

A recent myth I guess might be that Deontay Wilder is really poor. Probably at this stage we have to listen to Tyson Fury and say probably only Fury and Usyk beats this guy. Not Joshua, who may avoid him like the plague.

Ummmmmm neeeahhhhh his record is absolutely awful, handpicked opposition doesn't even describe it, remember even the first Fury fight Fury was pretty much handpicked because he looked dreadful in his comeback after being a suicidal drug addict for 4 years, and Wilder still got exposed

[GreenLightning]

Was Wilder ever matched with a durable journeyman type?? Most of his opponents were chinny and had been stopped before several times, that's why he never learned anything after 35 fights

[margaret thatcher]

well, i wish instead of getting these indirect victories, like wallin also gets, he had actually fought more top contenders. he may well couldve beaten everyone but fury or whatever the claim is, but gotta fight the fights

stiverne and brezeale being among the best 3 he's beaten in 45 fights is pretty weak.

[bigjack]

People offended by bad language

No one is every offended by swearing while watching the boxing. Blood, bad kos and brain damage much worse.

People have to understand that the apologies for the language isn't in case a snowflake viewer gets offended, it's for pre watershed replays of the fight, just covers their nut

They could cover that with a statement before any replays though,like they do with lots of programmes now

[polecateddy]

I’m sure we can argue till the cows come home that Wilder has a poor record and might be a bit rubbish. But I just think probably on this Fury’s opinion carries a lot more weight than ours. I suspect Wilder will end up with Joe eventually, as I’m sure Fury will probably get Usyk and Joshua, and then possibly they will all retire.

[margaret thatcher]

hardly going to say the guy who is one of his very biggest wins aint much is he

although despite wilders flaws i agree he's a tough one to beat. fury and usyk id favour, josh 50/50ish, wilder the fave over everyone else. though at his age and following 2 KO losses he's got some questions about where he's currently at. might get surprised if he keeps fighting

[GreenLightning]

People offended by bad language

No one is every offended by swearing while watching the boxing. Blood, bad kos and brain damage much worse.

People have to understand that the apologies for the language isn't in case a snowflake viewer gets offended, it's for pre watershed replays of the fight, just covers their nut

They could cover that with a statement before any replays though,like they do with lots of programmes now

Yeah I suppose, would a disclaimer cover them??

[GreenLightning]

I’m sure we can argue till the cows come home that Wilder has a poor record and might be a bit rubbish. But I just think probably on this Fury’s opinion carries a lot more weight than ours. I suspect Wilder will end up with Joe eventually, as I’m sure Fury will probably get Usyk and Joshua, and then possibly they will all retire.

True but we know that Furys opinion on someone can change with the weather, Fury seems to have a bit of a soft spot for big Deontay, I don't think he even responded to any of Wilders crazy accusations after the second fight, and he actually seemed a bit hurt when Deontay threw his toys out of the pram again after the third and wouldn't shake his hand

[Frostieballs]

People offended by bad language

No one is every offended by swearing while watching the boxing. Blood, bad kos and brain damage much worse.

People have to understand that the apologies for the language isn't in case a snowflake viewer gets offended, it's for pre watershed replays of the fight, just covers their nut

I think they would edit the replay? They couldn’t let a swear go out at midday and just cover themselves with an apology.

[jimmystone]

People offended by bad language

No one is every offended by swearing while watching the boxing. Blood, bad kos and brain damage much worse.

It's a balance. I watch boxing with my youngest and I dip the sound between rounds. I have no problem with him swearing in context in due course but he's a bit young yet compared to his older siblings. Other parents may be caught off guard. I don't know anything about Ofcom and their rules but if I were caught out and Adam Smith did his apology it would lend weight to my explanation to my child about why I wouldn't want him repeating the language at the wrong time, in the wrong place, etc. It's not about offence for me, it's about educating my youngster.