Why do the boxers of the past refuse to admit they'd get smoked in this generation?

[tigermoth87]

Mainly the ex heavyweights. It's a known fact that athletes get better with every generation and that the boxers of today dwarf the boxers of the past. It'd be man against boys. Yet the boxers of the past refuse to admit that they would't be able to cut it in today's generation.

By comparison, today's boxers give the oldies a pat on the head, throw them a bone and say "I'd have lost to them" to show respect, when deep down, they know they would win.

The only boxers of the past who could compete with today's generation is Lewis and Vitali--those vs Fury or Usyk would be a toss up. Mike Tyson would beat boxers who don't have a defence like Joshua, Whyte and Wilder, but would come up short against Fury.

[Bandog]

I'm sure if they had the peds that modern boxers do today, they'd do just fine.

[Tony1244]

Why? Same reason good athletes often say they're the best like Fury saying he is GOAT. Ego. I expect top athletes to think of themselves as the best in particular in the martial arts.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Todays greats like luis ortiz, andy ruiz, michael hunter, and joe joyce would wreck garbage fighter like holyfield and larry holmes. The endurance level of andy ruiz is just too much, the devastating power of michael hunter, the speed of joyce and the willingness to fight all comers like ortiz doesnt compare to pedestrian fivhters of the past

[snake33]

Lewis and Ali could/would beat anybody today including Fury.
Usyk would be easy pickings. But would still be dominant as light heavy. Look out Roy.
The rest would be second level talent in earlier divisions despite height/weight advantage.
There are boxers today who rely on their size for success. Like Joshua and wilder.
You'd have to develop additional skills to go back in time and be successful.

[The Docker]

Todays greats like luis ortiz, andy ruiz, michael hunter, and joe joyce would wreck garbage fighter like holyfield and larry holmes.

I've obviously not been on here to long but the above post is the single most dumbest I've read so far. So yeah, congratulations you. May as well be at one end of the spectrum.

[Cent0089]

I'm sure if they had the peds that modern boxers do today, they'd do just fine.

Boxers of 90s and 80s were more roided than today ones

[apollo creed]

Ali, Foreman, Lennox, Bowe, Holy and Ike were pretty much supranatural inside the boxing ring. Tip-top stamina, boxing, combos, chin, very resilient , fearless to trade punches, strong and powerful. These guys could take punches and then fire back with full power.

The HWs of nowadays are good, but not at that level of toughness and durability like those great HWs.

I'd like to see Fury vs AJ/Usyk

Wilder vs AJ/Usyk

Andy Ruiz Jr vs Wilder, Usyk, Fury or Wilder.

These guys should fight each other to create their own great HW era. In this way they would sharpen their fighting skills and get better.

[Tony1244]

Todays greats like luis ortiz, andy ruiz, michael hunter, and joe joyce would wreck garbage fighter like holyfield and larry holmes.

I've obviously not been on here to long but the above post is the single most dumbest I've read so far. So yeah, congratulations you. May as well be at one end of the spectrum.

I think he was being sarcastic. That's my hope anyway.

[KiwiRider]

Todays greats like luis ortiz, andy ruiz, michael hunter, and joe joyce would wreck garbage fighter like holyfield and larry holmes.

I've obviously not been on here to long but the above post is the single most dumbest I've read so far. So yeah, congratulations you. May as well be at one end of the spectrum.

I think he was being sarcastic. That's my hope anyway.

Totally sarcastic, to the point of being amusing enough to check who the poster was. And if it was a numbers poster, then yeah- troll or nutter, but it was our Jeff...

[Tony1244]

I've obviously not been on here to long but the above post is the single most dumbest I've read so far. So yeah, congratulations you. May as well be at one end of the spectrum.

I think he was being sarcastic. That's my hope anyway.

Totally sarcastic, to the point of being amusing enough to check who the poster was. And if it was a numbers poster, then yeah- troll or nutter, but it was our Jeff...

Caldo fooled me on sarcasm, it happens.

[Thomastearns]

Todays greats like luis ortiz, andy ruiz, michael hunter, and joe joyce would wreck garbage fighter like holyfield and larry holmes. The endurance level of andy ruiz is just too much, the devastating power of michael hunter, the speed of joyce and the willingness to fight all comers like ortiz doesnt compare to pedestrian fivhters of the past

A great answer to a leading question.

Scattered with clues, just in case any were needed.

If 'the speed of Joyce' isn't obvious, then nothing is.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Todays greats like luis ortiz, andy ruiz, michael hunter, and joe joyce would wreck garbage fighter like holyfield and larry holmes. The endurance level of andy ruiz is just too much, the devastating power of michael hunter, the speed of joyce and the willingness to fight all comers like ortiz doesnt compare to pedestrian fivhters of the past

Is OP one of EO’s accounts or something.

[apollo creed]

Todays greats like luis ortiz, andy ruiz, michael hunter, and joe joyce would wreck garbage fighter like holyfield and larry holmes. The endurance level of andy ruiz is just too much, the devastating power of michael hunter, the speed of joyce and the willingness to fight all comers like ortiz doesnt compare to pedestrian fivhters of the past

Is OP one of EO’s accounts or something.

It may be. There weren't no new GGG, Charlo, Canelo or Andrade threads, so that EO can beg for some attention.

[Counter-puncher]

Todays greats like luis ortiz, andy ruiz, michael hunter, and joe joyce would wreck garbage fighter like holyfield and larry holmes.

I've obviously not been on here to long but the above post is the single most dumbest I've read so far. So yeah, congratulations you. May as well be at one end of the spectrum.

your irony meter needs fixing

[thereverend]

odays greats like luis ortiz, andy ruiz, michael hunter, and joe joyce would wreck garbage fighter like holyfield and larry holmes. The endurance level of andy ruiz is just too much, the devastating power of michael hunter, the speed of joyce and the willingness to fight all comers like ortiz doesnt compare to pedestrian fivhters of the past

Finally someone around here who knows boxing, I agree 100%. According to statmagicians boxers are improving by 1.11% like every year since 1946. As the American population gets more fit and lean and takes more flouride, antibiotics, and other testosterone enhancing drubs. And the science of strength and food continues to maximize. At this rate a lb for bl legend like Ruiz is 522% better then an old guy like Larry Homes or Mike Holyfields.

Old guys like Tyson have to be addicted to PHDs to compete at all in the ring with young fighters like Roy Jones Jr. Do the math. It doesn't lie. I just want to see todays' fighters get the credit they deserve. A guy like Ortiz would totally dominate against a dead guy like Ali, who has Parkinson's too. Who's just overrated anyway.

[RScarf1]

odays greats like luis ortiz, andy ruiz, michael hunter, and joe joyce would wreck garbage fighter like holyfield and larry holmes. The endurance level of andy ruiz is just too much, the devastating power of michael hunter, the speed of joyce and the willingness to fight all comers like ortiz doesnt compare to pedestrian fivhters of the past

Finally someone around here who knows boxing, I agree 100%. According to statmagicians boxers are improving by 1.11% like every year since 1946. As the American population gets more fit and lean and takes more flouride, antibiotics, and other testosterone enhancing drubs. And the science of strength and food continues to maximize. At this rate a lb for bl legend like Ruiz is 522% better then an old guy like Larry Homes or Mike Holyfields.

Old guys like Tyson have to be addicted to PHDs to compete at all in the ring with young fighters like Roy Jones Jr. Do the math. It doesn't lie. I just want to see todays' fighters get the credit they deserve. A guy like Ortiz would totally dominate against a dead guy like Ali, who has Parkinson's too. Who's just overrated anyway.

I hope you are being sarcastic.

[RScarf1]

Why do boxers of the past refuse to admit that they would get smoked in this generation? Because they wouldn't. First, let's look at a sport that is not subjective such as track running. The world record of the men's mile run is 3:43 (3 minutes and 43 seconds). That record was achieved in 1999. If athletics and sports are always improving, why has the mile record not been broken in over two decades? The American high school record for the boys mile is 3:53. That record was achieved in 2001. The men's 100 meter record is 9.58 seconds by Usain Bolt. That was achieved in 2009. Why has that record not been broken in over a decade?

British distance runners were faster three decades ago. Distance running was more popular worldwide in the 1970s and 1980s. Running is not as popular now. Of course, there are still fast runners in high school, college, and the pros. However, there are less of them because there are other things kids would rather be doing such as working after school to have money, participating in other sports, and playing video games. The more runners there are usually means the competition is tougher and the times will be faster.

Other sports such as soccer, lacrosse, basketball, and pickleball are becoming more popular and athletes that would have been runners are doing those sports instead. They may do cross country or track in high school just to get in better shape, but not compete in both sports. American runners from the 5 kilometer (5K) run to the marathon are slowing down. The elite runners are still fast, but times have been getting slower overall for the others who compete in road races. It could be due to declining health or not running as much mileage per week. The runners in the '70s and '80s had less distractions and sought to run at least 100 miles per week. The men's mile record in the '80s was 3:46-3:48, still very fast times.

We know that heavyweights are generally getting taller and heavier, but are they getting faster and stronger? Would Larry Holmes lose to Andy Ruiz? Would George Foreman lose to Luis Ortiz? Watch the heavyweights from the '70s and '80s. Notice their speed and power. Then imagine them fighting today's heavyweights. Would Marvin Hagler not do well against today's middleweights because he was world champion in the 1980s? It's just ridiculous to think that. There was a lot of sports knowledge beginning in the 1970s. Plyometrics started to be used not just by track runners, but by athletes in other sports. Michael Jordan did them a lot to improve his explosive moves and vertical jump. Weightlifting was becoming popular to do in training for athletes of all sports. Michael Jordan and his teammates did weightlifting to deal with the physical play of the Detroit Pistons and then the Chicago Bulls were able to defeat them in the early '90s. Jordan stopped playing basketball in 2003. Pele is still widely considered to be the best soccer player of all time and his career ended in 1977. Sugar Ray Robinson is considered to be the best boxer of all time pound for pound. BoxRec also rates him No. 1 all time pound for pound. His prime was in the '40s and '50s. He retired in 1965. Would Robinson in his prime lose to today's boxers?

I ran high school cross country and track in the 1980s. My best times in track were 4:47 in the mile and 10:10 in the two mile. My best times in cross country were 15:54 in three miles (on a track) and 16:03 on a course. That would still be good enough to run in college. It's not good enough to get a scholarship for a Division I college and that's why I never ran in college. I had to work in order to pay for college. However, it would be good enough to get a scholarship in Division II or III. There is not a lot of money in running unless you are one of the best in the world. That's one of the reasons why athletes are choosing to do other sports where they don't have to be one of the elite and can still make a good living as a professional athlete. Athletes today have more choices and so boxing is not as popular to choose because it is corrupt and the possibility of brain damage. If basketball and American football did not exist, then there probably would be more heavyweight boxers and the depth of talent would be better. The reality is that the heavyweight division does not have the talent that it did in the '70s, '80s, and '90s.

[Thomastearns]

The men's 100 meter record is 9.58 seconds by Usain Bolt. That was achieved in 2009. Why has that record not been broken in over a decade?




Because they haven't yet figured out a way how to make the tracks and shoes any faster.

Jesse Owens running on cinder tracks and with basic shoes is about as good it gets for humans.

[RScarf1]

The men's 100 meter record is 9.58 seconds by Usain Bolt. That was achieved in 2009. Why has that record not been broken in over a decade?

Because they haven't yet figured out a way how to make the tracks and shoes any faster.

Jesse Owens running on cinder tracks and with basic shoes is about as good it gets for humans.

Roger Bannister was the first man to run under 4 minutes in the mile. He ran 3:59 in 1954 on a track that appears to be clay unlike the asphalt or synthetic tracks that are used today. That was one of the greatest accomplishments of all time. It was widely believed that it was impossible to run a mile in less than 4 minutes. Can the technology in boxing significantly improve? Will the ring canvas, gloves, trunks, and shoes be much different? I don't think so. Has the training in boxing improved or has it declined? Were there better trainers in the past? It's not just about technology. I ran on asphalt tracks in the '80s. An athlete needs good coaches and to put in the time and effort. Marvin Hagler trained hard for countless hours. His gym was not exactly like the gyms of today, but he was motivated and worked hard.

[gerryd77]

Todays greats like luis ortiz, andy ruiz, michael hunter, and joe joyce would wreck garbage fighter like holyfield and larry holmes.

I've obviously not been on here to long but the above post is the single most dumbest I've read so far. So yeah, congratulations you. May as well be at one end of the spectrum.

Ffs

[brilo33]

i think it is pointless judging fighters from the past , most of it rose tinted glasses, sorry ive watched most of iron mikes fights in the pandenmic most of them were bums , i mean you can only be the champ of your era and even then thats questionable because when were you at your peak , i dont get it every era has had its champion why is there a shame in that , some reason to tare some one down with out proving anything

[bradinho]

The men's 100 meter record is 9.58 seconds by Usain Bolt. That was achieved in 2009. Why has that record not been broken in over a decade?




Because they haven't yet figured out a way how to make the tracks and shoes any faster.

Jesse Owens running on cinder tracks and with basic shoes is about as good it gets for humans.

Andre de grasse couldn't beat Jesse Owens time when using Old track and spikes

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 6CKtpBX0Xi

[margaret thatcher]

boxing technique and most of the core training has been pretty stable for decades and decades. joe louis in the 40s or whenever it was is still one of the best technicians ever - absolutely sublime form on his shots. size is a factor though, the switch to day before weigh ins and advances to cutting practices (plus peds) means guys are substantially bigger for a given weight division than their predecessors were.........it would make a difference when you're dealing with opponents of roughly similar calibre


that said, the boxers from the early 1900s and before...........their boxing was obviously crude and underdeveloped , its just naive to deny it. not to mention they were overall much smaller. in those days 5'7 168 pound guys won hw titles, and 6 foot 180 pounders (super middle today) were called giants

[brilo33]

also when we say fighters didnt have the longevity back then, they fought more rounds took more wear and tare i think that is the big reason fighters got old quick, i think wilder fights have taken a toll on fury also be interesting to see wilder fight again as he been hurt bad aswell, aj has been hurt too, funny enough usyk is probably the freshest in this day and age