Your top 10 p4p update after Bivol winning Canelo

[DrDuke]

I've got this way:

1. Terence Crawford
2. Naoya Inoue
3. Tyson Fury
4. Oleksandr Usyk
5. Dmitry Bivol
6. Errol Spence Jr
7. George Kambosos
8. Shakur Stevenson
9. Josh Taylor
10. Saul Alvarez

[Ruthless-RKO]

You don’t drop Canelo to 10th

[margaret thatcher]

spence, craw, and usyk are the top 3, order them how you like. shak might be top 3 on ability but needs to achieve a bit more i think. bivol top 10 now.....remember he easily schooled some good lhws before this as well

inoue's stagnated too much for my liking

taylor out for me as i thought he clearly lost to cat

[Cent0089]

until Crawford vs Spence, Usyk vs Fury, Stevenson vs Davis, Beterbiev vs Bivol and other best vs best fights happen i still have Alvarez at top. Kill me haters. Or maybe Usyk

[Mexi-Box]

Usyk is clear #1 now. Inoue and Crawford in any order. Canelo drops to 4/5. I don't feel like filling out the rest.

[gregregegg]

On a vibe alone

1 Usyk,

2 bivol,

3 Canelo,

4 Inoue,

5/6 craw/Spence in any order you want.

Loma, kambo, shakur and tank probably round it out in any order you want.

Fury is retired, Josh Taylor should not be champ, boots may be knocking on the door, choc and Estrada also fringe.

[adislav123]

GGG. still. undefeated.

[Mexi-Box]

On a vibe alone

1 Usyk,

2 bivol,

3 Canelo,

4 Inoue,

5/6 craw/Spence in any order you want.

Loma, kambo, shakur and tank probably round it out in any order you want.

Fury is retired, Josh Taylor should not be champ, boots may be knocking on the door, choc and Estrada also fringe.

Good list, but I don't think Bivol is #2. He just doesn't have the depth. Beating Beterbiev would put him in that argument, though.

Briedis should be in the top 10, imo, probably mid-10. He's Usyk's contemporary. Still gave him the toughest fight as a pro and is practically undisputed at CW and undefeated at HW. KO over Charr still looks good, imo.

Betebiev probably rounding out the bottom to mid-10, maybe.

[adislav123]

GGG. still. undefeated.

[Mexi-Box]

GGG. still. undefeated.

Not the version I've been seeing. Should have a loss to Dervyanchenko and struggled against Murata. While I respect Murata, a p4p fighter doesn't struggle against guys his caliber.

[gregregegg]

On a vibe alone

1 Usyk,

2 bivol,

3 Canelo,

4 Inoue,

5/6 craw/Spence in any order you want.

Loma, kambo, shakur and tank probably round it out in any order you want.

Fury is retired, Josh Taylor should not be champ, boots may be knocking on the door, choc and Estrada also fringe.

Good list, but I don't think Bivol is #2. He just doesn't have the depth. Beating Beterbiev would put him in that argument, though.

Briedis should be in the top 10, imo, probably mid-10. He's Usyk's contemporary. Still gave him the toughest fight as a pro and is practically undisputed at CW and undefeated at HW. KO over Charr still looks good, imo.

Betebiev probably rounding out the bottom to mid-10, maybe.

Taking Canelo, Joe Smith Jr and Pascal to school is enough for me.

If beterb beats the shit out of Joe then Mabey it will soften it a bit. But I though bivol was better than beterb before this.

But just how I'm vibing it today, Mabey I'll change my mind tommoriw.

[tonyevs]

I've got this way:

1. Terence Crawford
2. Naoya Inoue
3. Tyson Fury
4. Oleksandr Usyk
5. Dmitry Bivol
6. Errol Spence Jr
7. George Kambosos
8. Shakur Stevenson
9. Josh Taylor
10. Saul Alvarez

Canelo still number 1 for me. He just moved a division too far. If he had remained at 160 or 168 taking the 0s from all those guys he`d still be there.
Mayweather was gloating afterwards obviously because Canelo is eclipsing his status. But Mayweather never took on as big a challenges as what Canelo has done .. Mayweather only took on 2 undefeated fighters after the age of 30, and only 1 other before then.

Fury and Taylor dont deserve to be in there. Taylor showed he isnt the best in his division last time, and Fury hasnt shown that either .. plus he is retired.
Bivol may prove himself worthy of a top 10 spot, but off beating a much smaller guy moving it then he has more to prove.

[DrDuke]

I've got this way:

1. Terence Crawford
2. Naoya Inoue
3. Tyson Fury
4. Oleksandr Usyk
5. Dmitry Bivol
6. Errol Spence Jr
7. George Kambosos
8. Shakur Stevenson
9. Josh Taylor
10. Saul Alvarez

Canelo still number 1 for me. He just moved a division too far. If he had remained at 160 or 168 taking the 0s from all those guys he`d still be there.
Mayweather was gloating afterwards obviously because Canelo is eclipsing his status. But Mayweather never took on as big a challenges as what Canelo has done .. Mayweather only took on 2 undefeated fighters after the age of 30, and only 1 other before then.

Fury and Taylor dont deserve to be in there. Taylor showed he isnt the best in his division last time, and Fury hasnt shown that either .. plus he is retired.
Bivol may prove himself worthy of a top 10 spot, but off beating a much smaller guy moving it then he has more to prove.

I don't quite get, how you can remain higher than the guy, who has just outclassed you.

Also, if Taylor should be out because of his last performance, if to take it as a loss, than why Canelo shouldn't?

If to dig in the least way, Canelo can be accused of false draw and win vs Golovkin and should have been out of consideration for high places even before the Bivol loss.

[Thomastearns]

I've got this way:

1. Terence Crawford
2. Naoya Inoue
3. Tyson Fury
4. Oleksandr Usyk
5. Dmitry Bivol
6. Errol Spence Jr
7. George Kambosos
8. Shakur Stevenson
9. Josh Taylor
10. Saul Alvarez

Canelo still number 1 for me. He just moved a division too far. If he had remained at 160 or 168 taking the 0s from all those guys he`d still be there.
Mayweather was gloating afterwards obviously because Canelo is eclipsing his status. But Mayweather never took on as big a challenges as what Canelo has done .. Mayweather only took on 2 undefeated fighters after the age of 30, and only 1 other before then.

Fury and Taylor dont deserve to be in there. Taylor showed he isnt the best in his division last time, and Fury hasnt shown that either .. plus he is retired.
Bivol may prove himself worthy of a top 10 spot, but off beating a much smaller guy moving it then he has more to prove.

I don't quite get, how you can remain higher than the guy, who has just outclassed you.

Also, if Taylor should be out because of his last performance, if to take it as a loss, than why Canelo shouldn't?

If to dig in the least way, Canelo can be accused of false draw and win vs Golovkin and should have been out of consideration for high places even before the Bivol loss.

That's the thing about boxing, one fight can turn everything upside down.

Almost overnight everything gets re-evaluated and reputations can fluctuate faster than the Twitter stock price.

The facts are that right now Bivol must rank higher than Canelo at 175.

P4P atm is something else entirely.

I'd rather base it on dominance at one weight than trying to cherry pick the divisions above and below.

Golovkin, Inoue and Usyk would all be in my top 3.
Spence and Crawford need to fight.

The winner of that would have a claim to be the no 1, the loser obviously wouldn't. Right now, who knows?

[RScarf1]

BoxRec’s P4P list has Fury No. 1, but he is retired, Bivol No. 2, Golovkin No. 3, and Canelo No. 4.

[gerryd77]

I've got this way:

1. Terence Crawford
2. Naoya Inoue
3. Tyson Fury
4. Oleksandr Usyk
5. Dmitry Bivol
6. Errol Spence Jr
7. George Kambosos
8. Shakur Stevenson
9. Josh Taylor
10. Saul Alvarez

Canelo still number 1 for me. He just moved a division too far. If he had remained at 160 or 168 taking the 0s from all those guys he`d still be there.
Mayweather was gloating afterwards obviously because Canelo is eclipsing his status. But Mayweather never took on as big a challenges as what Canelo has done .. Mayweather only took on 2 undefeated fighters after the age of 30, and only 1 other before then.

Fury and Taylor dont deserve to be in there. Taylor showed he isnt the best in his division last time, and Fury hasnt shown that either .. plus he is retired.
Bivol may prove himself worthy of a top 10 spot, but off beating a much smaller guy moving it then he has more to prove.

I don't quite get, how you can remain higher than the guy, who has just outclassed you.

Also, if Taylor should be out because of his last performance, if to take it as a loss, than why Canelo shouldn't?

If to dig in the least way, Canelo can be accused of false draw and win vs Golovkin and should have been out of consideration for high places even before the Bivol loss.

Because it is p4p , not who is the best fighter. We know fury and usually would outclass everyone on that list, so shall we just have them top?

[gregregegg]

Canelo still number 1 for me. He just moved a division too far. If he had remained at 160 or 168 taking the 0s from all those guys he`d still be there.
Mayweather was gloating afterwards obviously because Canelo is eclipsing his status. But Mayweather never took on as big a challenges as what Canelo has done .. Mayweather only took on 2 undefeated fighters after the age of 30, and only 1 other before then.

Fury and Taylor dont deserve to be in there. Taylor showed he isnt the best in his division last time, and Fury hasnt shown that either .. plus he is retired.
Bivol may prove himself worthy of a top 10 spot, but off beating a much smaller guy moving it then he has more to prove.

I don't quite get, how you can remain higher than the guy, who has just outclassed you.

Also, if Taylor should be out because of his last performance, if to take it as a loss, than why Canelo shouldn't?

If to dig in the least way, Canelo can be accused of false draw and win vs Golovkin and should have been out of consideration for high places even before the Bivol loss.

Because it is p4p , not who is the best fighter. We know fury and usually would outclass everyone on that list, so shall we just have them top?

True but fury has a weight advantage in that scenario. Was bivol significantly heavier than Canelo in there? I don't think so, I think the reason Canelo didn't want hydration clauses is cause he is just as heavy, Mabey heavier.

[margaret thatcher]

i think with how clearly bivol won, you have to knock canelo something. he wasnt outsized enough to get away scotch free in the p4p rankings

canelo weighed in heavier than bivol, and though bivol was clearly taller there didnt look like a big amount of size between them. only 1 inch in reach too

what do people think they weighed on fight night? i doubt bivol was much heavier if at all. it wasnt size that made him so tough for canelo to hit either, there are tons of guys his height and reach from 154 up

[DrDuke]

Canelo still number 1 for me. He just moved a division too far. If he had remained at 160 or 168 taking the 0s from all those guys he`d still be there.
Mayweather was gloating afterwards obviously because Canelo is eclipsing his status. But Mayweather never took on as big a challenges as what Canelo has done .. Mayweather only took on 2 undefeated fighters after the age of 30, and only 1 other before then.

Fury and Taylor dont deserve to be in there. Taylor showed he isnt the best in his division last time, and Fury hasnt shown that either .. plus he is retired.
Bivol may prove himself worthy of a top 10 spot, but off beating a much smaller guy moving it then he has more to prove.

I don't quite get, how you can remain higher than the guy, who has just outclassed you.

Also, if Taylor should be out because of his last performance, if to take it as a loss, than why Canelo shouldn't?

If to dig in the least way, Canelo can be accused of false draw and win vs Golovkin and should have been out of consideration for high places even before the Bivol loss.

Because it is p4p , not who is the best fighter. We know fury and usually would outclass everyone on that list, so shall we just have them top?

Well, he almost deserves it, I have him #3, as you can see. Anyway, he's a top heavyweight, it's impossible to match him against guys from the much lower weights.

In any case, after you lose to someone in the prime vs prime matchup in the same cathegory, you simply can't be higher than that guy. Barely anyone rated Joshua over Ruiz after his loss to the fat man, although a lot favored Joshua in the rematch. But after such a schooling Canelo can't even be favored in a possible rematch vs Bivol.

[tonyevs]

I've got this way:

1. Terence Crawford
2. Naoya Inoue
3. Tyson Fury
4. Oleksandr Usyk
5. Dmitry Bivol
6. Errol Spence Jr
7. George Kambosos
8. Shakur Stevenson
9. Josh Taylor
10. Saul Alvarez

Canelo still number 1 for me. He just moved a division too far. If he had remained at 160 or 168 taking the 0s from all those guys he`d still be there.
Mayweather was gloating afterwards obviously because Canelo is eclipsing his status. But Mayweather never took on as big a challenges as what Canelo has done .. Mayweather only took on 2 undefeated fighters after the age of 30, and only 1 other before then.

Fury and Taylor dont deserve to be in there. Taylor showed he isnt the best in his division last time, and Fury hasnt shown that either .. plus he is retired.
Bivol may prove himself worthy of a top 10 spot, but off beating a much smaller guy moving it then he has more to prove.

I don't quite get, how you can remain higher than the guy, who has just outclassed you.

Also, if Taylor should be out because of his last performance, if to take it as a loss, than why Canelo shouldn't?

If to dig in the least way, Canelo can be accused of false draw and win vs Golovkin and should have been out of consideration for high places even before the Bivol loss.

Canelo was moving up to a weight too far - if Crawford stepped up to middleweight and lost to Eubank jr would we rate Eubank Jr P4P above Crawford? when Ray Robinson went up to Lt heavy and lost against Joey Maxim it was recognised as a step too far.

Taylor lost against a guy his own weight; there aren`t any valid reasons why he remains in the top 10.

[adislav123]

triple g retired, or what?

i'm just refusing to see his 2 fights with canelo as anything else but wins for ggg.

even more so after yesterdays blatantly obvious attempt to rob bivol blind by the same fvckin' corrupt mob who fucked over golovkin.

GGG is still number 1 p4p in my book but has to be in the top 4 no matter how you look at things.

[Bandog]

When someone dominates the consensus pfp guy like Bivol did, I'd put him #1. It wasn't the weight, it was the skill.

Like I told EO, resume's don't box. I expect him to hide for a couple days now.

[Mexi-Box]

triple g retired, or what?

i'm just refusing to see his 2 fights with canelo as anything else but wins for ggg.

even more so after yesterdays blatantly obvious attempt to rob bivol blind by the same fvckin' corrupt mob who fucked over golovkin.

GGG is still number 1 p4p in my book but has to be in the top 4 no matter how you look at things.

Even with that, though, he looked terrible against Murata. He's only had shades of his younger self against Szeremeta who wasn't a top fighter. I don't think Golovkin is a p4p fighter anymore, really. Now, if he beats Charlo or Benavidez, that would change my mind, but while Murata is a better fighter than people give credit for, he lost to nobodies before giving Golovkin his toughest fight since Derevyanchenko.

[H8Usernames]

Tyson Fury doesn't belong on any P4P list. If it was a who has the most pounds list then he'd belong at the top. As for Shakur Stevenson it feels like his debut hasn't even happened yet so it's very early to place him on such lists. Another fellow or two from the lighter divisions deserve a mention. Teofimo Lopez, been in two great fights in a row, not alot seperated him and Kambosos. Vasili Lomachenko also isn't exactly exposed yet either.

Without alot of thinking I'd list it up like this:

1. Terence Crawford
2 Oleksandr Usyk
3 GGG
4 Saul Alvarez
5 Josh Taylor
6 George Kambosos
7 Dmitry Bivol
8 Maiiris Breiddis
9 Teofimo Lopez
10 Vasili Lomachenko

[joshj909]

Something like this maybe for me. Not thought too much into it. Estrada and others could easily make it in. The more you pick at the true meaning of p4p, the list would change dramatically.

1. Usyk
2. Inoue
3. Bivol
4. GGG
5. Canelo
6. Crawford
7. Spence
8. Taylor
9. Kambosos
10. Stevenson