Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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Before Dmitry Bivol had even made his professional debut, the 24½ year old Canelo had already competed in 46 bouts in the paid ranks, had been considered a top-ten pound-for-pounder for more than two years, fought eight world title fights, whilst having also faced eight current or former world champions.

It’s been more than four years since Dmitry Bivol’s most recent KO victory.

Within the last four years, Canelo has stopped Sergey Kovalev, Billy Joe Saunders, Caleb Plant, Rocky Fielding and Avni Yildirim.

Within the last three years, Dmitry Bivol has fought the likes of Umar Salamov, Craig Richards, and Lenin Castillo.

Within the last three years, Canelo has fought the likes of Callum Smith, Sergey Kovalev, Daniel Jacobs, Billy Joe Saunders, Caleb Plant and Avni Yildirim.

The best light heavyweight opponent that Dmitry Bivol has faced within the last three years was the unproven UK domestic level Craig Richards, with the Brit holding the Russian to a split decision.

The best light heavyweight opponent that Canelo has faced within the last three years was Sergey Kovalev, who (at that moment in time) held the WBO light heavyweight title and was also rated 3rd at 175lbs (by ESPN & The RING).

Dmitry Bivol has competed in eight world title bouts, all of them for the WBA 175lbs championship.

Canelo has competed in twenty world title bouts, was the unified champion at 154lbs and 160lbs, is currently the undisputed 168lbs champion and has previously held a world title at 175lbs.

From Dmitry Bivol’s nineteen fight career, two of those bouts were against former or current world champions.

From Canelo’s sixty fight career, nineteen of those bouts were against former or current world champions.

Despite the huge disparity in accomplishments and experience in the paid ranks, Canelo is only five months older than Dmitry Bivol, with the Russian holding a four inch height and a 1½” reach advantage.

Thoughts? :confused:
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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It’s all good comparing pro careers, it’s not like Bivol was a novice when he turned pro.

In most cases now, the ones with really good AM backgrounds, they then pro and don’t waste time.

Bivol, Usyk, Loma, Rigo, Joyce and there’s more that are doing the same now.

It’s more quality over quantity.
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On paper Bivol is severely outmatched against Canelo, although stylistically he seems like a one of the two biggest challenges (along with Beterbiev) for the Redhead, if not to look above the LHW limit. Bivol can box and stick to his gameplan, he's agile and technically sound.

The thing is, Bivol isn't likely to outbox Canelo wide enough to secure a decision win with the history of all close bouts featuring the Redhead going in his favor. Canelo's punch resistance is also freakish, while the Bivol's one is untested, so it's very hard to pick Dmitry to win. I think, the fight will be close and Canelo will catch Bivol later on.

Anyway, I'm still rooting for Dima! :box:
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 06 May 2022, 04:12 It’s all good comparing pro careers, it’s not like Bivol was a novice when he turned pro.

In most cases now, the ones with really good AM backgrounds, they then pro and don’t waste time.

Bivol, Usyk, Loma, Rigo, Joyce and there’s more that are doing the same now.

It’s more quality over quantity.
A gentle reminder of Canelo's and Bivol's recent resume highlights that I previously detailed in the above post...

It’s been more than four years since Dmitry Bivol’s most recent KO victory.

Within the last four years, Canelo has stopped Sergey Kovalev, Billy Joe Saunders, Caleb Plant, Rocky Fielding and Avni Yildirim.

Within the last three years, Dmitry Bivol has fought the likes of Umar Salamov, Craig Richards, and Lenin Castillo.

Within the last three years, Canelo has fought the likes of Callum Smith, Sergey Kovalev, Daniel Jacobs, Billy Joe Saunders, Caleb Plant and Avni Yildirim.

The best light heavyweight opponent that Dmitry Bivol has faced within the last three years was the unproven UK domestic level Craig Richards, with the Brit holding the Russian to a split decision.

The best light heavyweight opponent that Canelo has faced within the last three years was Sergey Kovalev, who (at that moment in time) held the WBO light heavyweight title and was also rated 3rd at 175lbs (by ESPN & The RING).

It's clear that Canelo has faced better opposition, accomplished more, has looked more impressive and has also been far busier than Dmitry Bivol within the last three years.
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My thoughts are, what is the point of this thread. We all have boxrec accounts and can compare the resumes of the respective fighters using the main Boxrec feature. If there was an opinion you wanted to express, I think you should have the courage to express it in the first instance.
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lazboy wrote: 06 May 2022, 05:14 If there was an opinion you wanted to express, I think you should have the courage to express it in the first instance.
:o :o :o EO thinly disguising his own agenda by starting a thread? shirley no
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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canelo has a better resume than bivol? now that's a controversial opinion right there, next thing we know ppl will be saying that water makes things wet :oo
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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'The Russian'
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Counter-puncher wrote: 06 May 2022, 05:47
lazboy wrote: 06 May 2022, 05:14 If there was an opinion you wanted to express, I think you should have the courage to express it in the first instance.
:o :o :o EO thinly disguising his own agenda by starting a thread? shirley no
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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lazboy wrote: 06 May 2022, 05:14 My thoughts are, what is the point of this thread. We all have boxrec accounts and can compare the resumes of the respective fighters using the main Boxrec feature. If there was an opinion you wanted to express, I think you should have the courage to express it in the first instance.
I listed facts.

I tried to present them in an objective manner.

Some of these facts I feel are very surprising - at the very least, they contradict some of the claims made by other forum members.

My interpretation of them, is that Bivol has received an awful lot of praise for doing considerably less than Canelo has. He's a borderline hype-job.

I'm not saying he doesn't have talent though, but perhaps what he's done inside the ring doesn't warrant the plaudits he's received.

If could be a very one-sided fight that resembles Canelo's bout against Callum Smith (another fighter that was highly-praised, but actually achieved very little in comparison to the Mexican).

I have already supplied my prediction in a different thread.

But the high-level executive summary is that it’s going to be a dull fight.

Canelo is going to have to chase Bivol around the ring and wear him down.

Bivol will enjoy some success during the first few rounds.

Canelo will take ownership of the winning moment from the fourth or fifth round, after adapting to Dmitry’s awkward style.

Bivol will inevitably resort to survival mode during the championship rounds when a combination of fatigue and Canelo's effective work starts taking its toll.

I expect the second half of the bout to become very one-sided, but the final scorecard totals will probably be closer than the overall narrative of the fight, primarily due to the Russian's early lead.
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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The point is bivols resume dwarfs canelos. Bivol would have actually beat ggg twice and trout and lara and mayweather.
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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Bivol resume is solid. Schooling Smith and Pascal is good enough for me. He is young, at his very prime, lot of amateur pedigree, very skilled, natural light heavyweight, undefeated, champion. Only biggest canelo haters will have problem with this fight. this is boxing at his best :box: :box: :box:
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How did I know who started this thread as soon as I saw it
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Bard of Boxrec wrote: 06 May 2022, 12:12 How did I know who started this thread as soon as I saw it
thoughts? :maybe:
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Thoughts? :-?

I have a few,
But then again,
Too few to mention
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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Enlightened-One wrote: 06 May 2022, 03:59
Thoughts? :confused:
If Canelo will unify 175 division, then fight Makabu and beat him, how do you think Canelo would do vs a 36-37 y/o Usyk @ 201 lbs with a max 10 lbs rehydration clause limit? I mean how this fight would go ?
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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I made some good chili the other day..

:OhYes:
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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Bard of Boxrec wrote: 06 May 2022, 12:21 Thoughts? :-?

I have a few,
But then again,
Too few to mention
You posted Your Way, and I respect that.
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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Bandog wrote: 07 May 2022, 13:15 I made some good chili the other day..

:OhYes:
:OhYes:

:TU:
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

Post by Mexi-Box »

Bivol looked small at LHW against guys like Smith, but even with that he looked a division bigger than Canelo. I was thinking he should move down, but he looked like a natural LHW in there. I guess dudes just drain massive amounts of weight at LHW.

Gvodzyk looked like a natural CW btw. Dude was massive!
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Poor EO
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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ya but eo scored it a draw, so canelo didnt really lose
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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With this method of comparing resumes to dictate a fight outcome, no one would ever step up and win against the more proven fighter :maybe:
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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margaret thatcher wrote: 08 May 2022, 04:56 ya but eo scored it a draw, so canelo didnt really lose
I wonder, why he disappeared since the announcement of decision. :confused:
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Re: Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

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This should be a lesson to EO that fights aren’t won on paper. It won’t be obviously, but at least he still has the mundanity of his ‘size matters’ diatribe
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