Shame to the fighters that are happy that Canelo lost! It shows their jealousy, hypocrisy and their true colours!

[gilgamesh]

Canelo got a few gift decisions and is way too arrogant towards other boxers. No surprise that many are happy that he lost.

Most of the arrogance I've seen him display makes sense. It's people calling him out that frankly aren't worth his time, and he tells 'em so.

[gilgamesh]

Indeed Canelo fought a 35 y/o GGG and he couldn't beat G in their 1st fight but also lets give his credit for fighting prime Trout, Lara, Jacobs, FMJ and now Bivol! I mean thats quality stuff from Canelo.

Indeed Canelo fought first Khan, Liam Smith and JCCjr instead of challenging a semi-prime version of GGG(the mandatory challenger for wbc mw title) but he still fought GGG even 2 times and G is still a top mw atm.

I mean Canelo is willing to take big risks and he would get better in remtach. What is outrageous is the hate and the negativity of some fighters that would want to see Canelo failing, losing and probably getting bankrupt.

They are low-key happy with subliminal messages on social media.

I don't think you know what Subliminal messages are.

[gcart]

I need to know why there was a rematch clause for canelo, since he didn't hold the title and was just a challenger? Did I miss something?

[margaret thatcher]

it was a voluntary title defense with bivol free to accept certain conditions. obviously getting a huge pay day and fight vs canelo was enough for him to accept a rematch clause

though if i were canelo's team i wouldnt want an immediate rematch. fight ggg next, then if you are going to rematch bivol , do it if he becomes undisputed lhw champ.

[gcart]

Bivol holds the cards. If there is a rematch don't hold it in Vegas. Do it in NYC. Madison Square.

[margaret thatcher]

another reason i wouldnt want a rematch if i were canelo's team..........the last 3 rounds were among the biggest of the fight for bivol. immediate rematches often go the way of the guy who had his opponent figured out in the end, but that certainly wasnt canelo

[DrDuke]

Canelo talked rematch only because he had to say something like that after a loss. I'm pretty sure he'll come back in SMW. Golovkin will move up to face Canelo there.

[Ruthless-RKO]

FMJ put a $10k bet on and showed his winnings..

TBH, I think he bets against Canelo all the time, but of course, you're not gonna post your losses are you.

[apollo creed]

I don't really see too many fighters crowing that he lost, I do think it's funny how some of 'em will comment as if oh yeah I could've done that.

Some of Jermall Charlo's fans acting like "He's lucky he ducked you" was funny because he would kick the sh*t out of Charlo.

For the most part I'm not seeing too much sh*tting on him from fighters. Fans are doing it, but that's typical. In Boxing all you are is your last fight in the eyes of the fans. Especially the current internet buzz of the fans.

So last week Canelo was unstoppable, and now he probably can't beat anyone

The truth naturally is in between.

I doubt he beats Bivol in a rematch...at least legitimately. But he could return to 168 and get some more big marquee wins.

If he wins 4 clear rounds against Bivol in a rematch they'd give it to him. Or hell 3 clear rounds and a toss up round.

You can search on twitter and you'll see some low key hurrah tweets from some well known fighters.

I think Canelo would rematch Bivol bc he has that warrior pride. If he loses again he would understand that 175 top fighters are too much for him and he'd come back to 168.

As for the guys that are staying safe waiting to get the Canelo payday are a bunch of pampered fighters.

I'd like to see a fighter like Benavidez pushing hard to get fights with Charlito, Plant and Andrada.

[apollo creed]

FMJ put a $10k bet on and showed his winnings..

TBH, I think he bets against Canelo all the time, but of course, you're not gonna post your losses are you.

Be sure he put a lot of cash on Canelo too. He ain't stupid to show that loss of money on s.media.

[apollo creed]

it was a voluntary title defense with bivol free to accept certain conditions. obviously getting a huge pay day and fight vs canelo was enough for him to accept a rematch clause

though if i were canelo's team i wouldnt want an immediate rematch. fight ggg next, then if you are going to rematch bivol , do it if he becomes undisputed lhw champ.

. I guess this is a good plan.

[Enlightened-One]

Manny Pacquiao dared to be great, by taking risks and regularly facing world champions that were naturally bigger men than himself, which resulted in him failing to win ten of his bouts.

That’s what happens in the real world – you can’t keep taking risks without accepting the possibility (or inevitability) of a loss.

Canelo dares to be great, takes risks and now has four blemishes on his resume. And he’ll inevitably accumulate even more soon, because he’ll be 32 years of age the next time he competes, and he is regularly facing elite-level fighters that are naturally much bigger than himself.

The sad fact is, regardless as to whether you like or loathe him, Canelo won’t be around for much longer and boxing will be worse off without him.

But what do fans really want from the sport of boxing?

Fighters willing to take risks, constantly challenging themselves by facing the very best?

And if fighters do this, does this mean they then deserve to be completely written-off and disparaged simply because things occasionally fail to go their way?

Being undefeated in boxing is overrated. In fact, some of the greatest boxers in the sport’s history occasionally tasted defeat.

MMA fans consider a loss as only a brief setback, but not the end of a fighters’ journey or a complete loss of their credibility.

In boxing though, there is a natural tendency to avoid losing at all costs, resulting in boxer’s being protected, possessing padded records and having their careers carefully manoeuvred in a risk averse manner to avoid unnecessary defeats that could scupper their earning potential.

And believe it or not, the main cause of this frustrating behaviour is boxing fans themselves.

I don’t know about you guys, but I want to see the best always facing the very best. And if that means watching bouts involving men with lots of defeats (mostly inflicted by elite-level opposition) on their resumes, then sobeit.

[joshj909]

Manny Pacquiao dared to be great, by taking risks and regularly facing world champions that were naturally bigger men than himself, which resulted in him failing to win ten of his bouts.

That’s what happens in the real world – you can’t keep taking risks without accepting the possibility (or inevitability) of a loss.

Canelo dares to be great, takes risks and now has four blemishes on his resume. And he’ll inevitably accumulate even more soon, because he’ll be 32 years of age the next time he competes, and he is regularly facing men that are naturally much bigger than himself.

The sad fact is, regardless as to whether you like or loathe him, Canelo won’t be around for much longer and boxing will be worse off without him.

But what do fans really want from the sport of boxing?

Fighters willing to take risks, constantly challenging themselves by facing the very best?

And if fighters do this, does this mean they then deserve to be completely written-off and disparaged simply because things occasionally fail to go their way?

Being undefeated in boxing is overrated. In fact, some of the greatest boxers in the sport’s history occasionally tasted defeat.

MMA fans consider a loss as only a brief setback, but not the end of a fighters’ journey or a complete loss of their credibility.

In boxing though, there is a natural tendency to avoid losing at all costs, resulting in boxer’s being protected, possessing padded records and having their careers carefully manoeuvred in a risk averse manner to avoid unnecessary defeats that could scupper their earning potential.

And believe it or not, the main cause of this frustrating behaviour is boxing fans themselves.

I don’t know about you guys, but I want to see the best always facing the very best. And if that means watching bouts involving men with lots of defeats (mostly inflicted by elite-level opposition) on their resumes, then sobeit.

I don't think Canelo takes the same risks that Pacquiao did because Canelo inserts rehydration clauses in contracts and has had some very questionable scoring. I don't think the risks are as great as you make out. Yes, credit where credits due, he stepped up massively which is more than most did. However, when you pick opponents that are old, past their best and make them fight dehydrated while knowing that you're almost certainly going to get the victory on the cards, is the risk as great?

[Enlightened-One]

I don't think Canelo takes the same risks that Pacquiao did because Canelo inserts rehydration clauses in contracts and has had some very questionable scoring. I don't think the risks are as great as you make out. Yes, credit where credits due, he stepped up massively which is more than most did. However, when you pick opponents that are old, past their best and make them fight dehydrated while knowing that you're almost certainly going to get the victory on the cards, is the risk as great?

I assume that when you use the following words “pick opponents that are old, past their best and make them fight dehydrated”, you’re referring to Canelo’s bout against Sergey Kovalev?

Krusher was the WBO world light heavyweight champion and rated 3rd by The RING and also ESPN at the time of his fight against Canelo.

Egis Klimas denied the existence of a rehydration clause. Sergey weighed 175lbs for his bout against Canelo.

Kovalev engaged in seventeen world title bouts, with nine of them for the IBF strap (i.e. second-day 10lbs weigh-in rules).

Here’s a list of Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights against the following opponents:

• Eleider Alvarez (first fight) = 185lbs
• Nadjib Mohammedi = 183.5lbs
• Jean Pascal = 189lbs
• Bernard Hopkins = 188lbs
• Blake Caparello = 185lbs
• Cedric Agnew = 183lbs
• Ismayl Sillakh = 181lbs

Kovalev’s rehydration weights for the three bouts immediately preceding the Canelo fight were less than 185lbs:


Therefore, even if there was a 10lbs rehydration clause for the Kovalev bout, which no one can definitely prove existed, it shouldn’t have affected the outcome.

Anyway, Canelo faced Krusher without having fought a legitimate world champion above 160lbs. It was his debut as a light heavyweight.

For sure, Canelo was simply testing the waters at 175lbs when he faced Sergey Kovalev, but most people expected it to be a competitive bout.

According to the official BoxRec Canelo vs. Kovalev voting poll, only 54% of voters expected the Mexican to beat the Russian.

So yes, you can become a revisionist historian and ridicule Canelo’s victory over Sergey Kovalev, but I think he should be praised for this feat.

[IRONFIST]

Well done to Bivol , although I'm surprised they didn't job him on the cards against the golden/ginger goose.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Well done to Bivol , although I'm surprised they didn't job him on the cards against the golden/ginger goose.

They tried their very best.

[littlepug]

Who gives a fcuk! What the hell is wrong with boxing fans these days? This place is getting as bad as social media sites, it’s like a bloody womens bitchy gossip group, everyone talking about nonsensical sh1t that has no relevance to anything along with the old worn out favourite tales of robbery, fixes, corruption, ducking and cherry picking, when did everyone stop talking about the fights, the skills, praising the sport?

[gilgamesh]

Manny Pacquiao dared to be great, by taking risks and regularly facing world champions that were naturally bigger men than himself, which resulted in him failing to win ten of his bouts.

That’s what happens in the real world – you can’t keep taking risks without accepting the possibility (or inevitability) of a loss.

Canelo dares to be great, takes risks and now has four blemishes on his resume. And he’ll inevitably accumulate even more soon, because he’ll be 32 years of age the next time he competes, and he is regularly facing elite-level fighters that are naturally much bigger than himself.

The sad fact is, regardless as to whether you like or loathe him, Canelo won’t be around for much longer and boxing will be worse off without him.

But what do fans really want from the sport of boxing?

Fighters willing to take risks, constantly challenging themselves by facing the very best?

And if fighters do this, does this mean they then deserve to be completely written-off and disparaged simply because things occasionally fail to go their way?

Being undefeated in boxing is overrated. In fact, some of the greatest boxers in the sport’s history occasionally tasted defeat.

MMA fans consider a loss as only a brief setback, but not the end of a fighters’ journey or a complete loss of their credibility.

In boxing though, there is a natural tendency to avoid losing at all costs, resulting in boxer’s being protected, possessing padded records and having their careers carefully manoeuvred in a risk averse manner to avoid unnecessary defeats that could scupper their earning potential.

And believe it or not, the main cause of this frustrating behaviour is boxing fans themselves.

I don’t know about you guys, but I want to see the best always facing the very best. And if that means watching bouts involving men with lots of defeats (mostly inflicted by elite-level opposition) on their resumes, then sobeit.

People aren't really being too hard on Canelo about this loss it doesn't seem to me. I've certainly seen no indication that he's been completely written off. Whatever he does next whether it's a rematch with Bivol or a move back down to 168 I'm sure it'll be a big event regardless of opponent.

[apollo creed]

Regarding to Canelo's game plan, it was a decent game plan to a certain point. I mean he succeeded to hurt Bivol's left arm like he did with Callum but Bivol was a better and a stronger opponent than Callum. The problem with Canelo was that he only relied on that single game plan ie to chop down gradually Bivol.

Canelo as a very seasoned elite fighter should've been prepared by his trainer to have more game plans and different ways of fighting.

[IKSRTFO]

Manny Pacquiao dared to be great, by taking risks and regularly facing world champions that were naturally bigger men than himself, which resulted in him failing to win ten of his bouts.

That’s what happens in the real world – you can’t keep taking risks without accepting the possibility (or inevitability) of a loss.

Canelo dares to be great, takes risks and now has four blemishes on his resume. And he’ll inevitably accumulate even more soon, because he’ll be 32 years of age the next time he competes, and he is regularly facing men that are naturally much bigger than himself.

The sad fact is, regardless as to whether you like or loathe him, Canelo won’t be around for much longer and boxing will be worse off without him.

But what do fans really want from the sport of boxing?

Fighters willing to take risks, constantly challenging themselves by facing the very best?

And if fighters do this, does this mean they then deserve to be completely written-off and disparaged simply because things occasionally fail to go their way?

Being undefeated in boxing is overrated. In fact, some of the greatest boxers in the sport’s history occasionally tasted defeat.

MMA fans consider a loss as only a brief setback, but not the end of a fighters’ journey or a complete loss of their credibility.

In boxing though, there is a natural tendency to avoid losing at all costs, resulting in boxer’s being protected, possessing padded records and having their careers carefully manoeuvred in a risk averse manner to avoid unnecessary defeats that could scupper their earning potential.

And believe it or not, the main cause of this frustrating behaviour is boxing fans themselves.

I don’t know about you guys, but I want to see the best always facing the very best. And if that means watching bouts involving men with lots of defeats (mostly inflicted by elite-level opposition) on their resumes, then sobeit.

I don't think Canelo takes the same risks that Pacquiao did because Canelo inserts rehydration clauses in contracts and has had some very questionable scoring. I don't think the risks are as great as you make out. Yes, credit where credits due, he stepped up massively which is more than most did. However, when you pick opponents that are old, past their best and make them fight dehydrated while knowing that you're almost certainly going to get the victory on the cards, is the risk as great?

Pacquiao did have catchweights in contracts and questionable scoring in the 2nd and 3rd Marquez fights.

[handsofstone]

The whole cherry pick angles pisses me off no end, there's a lot of Americans(Not all of course) who fail to grasp that the USA is no longer the powerhouse is amateur boxing that it once was, yes they're still doing well in the pros but too many writing off fighters for being simply European, the Eastern bloc have been producing some fantastic talent the last few years anyone who thought Bivol was shite had either never seen him or don't know sh1t about boxing

[KakashiMuffin]

Cry Karma finally caught up with corruption. They tried to rob Bivol but the display was far too dominant. Jealousy lmao nah people are just sick to death of the delusion and media bias treating Alvaroids like an indestructible god when he got battered twice by GGG. This wasn't cherry picked worn af Kovalev who just came off a fight and they put a hydration clause on him. They thought Bivol looked mediocre his last few fights and already planned to show a Canelo GGG trailer in the ring post fight. Sweet beautiful karma, your god got humiliated hahahaha.

[Shadik]

It's not a funeral.

It's a competitive sport.

[apollo creed]

I hope Canelo will march forward being even more prepared to unify 175. He has the will, skills, power and the chin to do that.

[margaret thatcher]

I hope Canelo will march forward being even more prepared to unify 175. He has the will, skills, power and the chin to do that.

what about bivol, will he be more prepared too? maybe beat usyk in a couple fights?