Will GGG try to emulate Bivol's game plan(blueprint) against Canelo ?

[apollo creed]

I mean G and his team may inspire from Bivol's game plan and use it vs Canelo.

G has a good jab, a nice right hand and good footwork but the speed, reflexes, gas tank and of course the age are not at the same level to Bivol.

[DrDuke]

Golovkin tried to jab and move in the 2nd fight, he did worse than in the 1st one.

[apollo creed]

Golovkin tried to jab and move in the 2nd fight, he did worse than in the 1st one.

Maybe G should bring his old mexican style and block Canelo's punches with his head?

In comparison with Bivol, G hasn't a tight high guard to block Canelo's punches. Also G lacks of speed too.

[DrDuke]

Golovkin tried to jab and move in the 2nd fight, he did worse than in the 1st one.

Maybe G should bring his old mexican style and block Canelo's punches with his head?

In comparison with Bivol, G hasn't a tight high guard to block Canelo's punches. Also G lacks of speed too.

I think, Golovkin must be aggressive. He has nothing to lose. He should go for it.

[jezzamundo]

He'd be a fool to try. Bivol has height, reach, footspeed, handspeed, stamina and defensive advantages over a 40yo GGG. At 160lb I think GGG was the bigger puncher with the slightly better chin, but with years on the clock and at 168lb, I'm not sure that's the case anymore. GGG still has the better jab, but that's one of the few advantages he has over Canelo these days.

[apollo creed]

He'd be a fool to try. Bivol has height, reach, footspeed, handspeed, stamina and defensive advantages over a 40yo GGG. At 160lb I think GGG was the bigger puncher with the slightly better chin, but with years on the clock and at 168lb, I'm not sure that's the case anymore. GGG still has the better jab, but that's one of the few advantages he has over Canelo these days.

Indeed , G is in this fight to get that big payday. At his age he is not a threat anymore for Canelo. Only if he "accidentally" hits Canelo's nut sack with a powerful low blow.

[apollo creed]

Golovkin tried to jab and move in the 2nd fight, he did worse than in the 1st one.

Maybe G should bring his old mexican style and block Canelo's punches with his head?

In comparison with Bivol, G hasn't a tight high guard to block Canelo's punches. Also G lacks of speed too.

I think, Golovkin must be aggressive. He has nothing to lose. He should go for it.

Golota style.

[RScarf1]

I think GGG knows that he will not be able to win by decision, especially now after Canelo lost to Bivol and the powers that be want their cash cow to win again. GGG may incorporate some things that Bivol did well if he can, but GGG is different. GGG's goal will be to get a win by TKO/KO since that is likely the only way he can win, so he is not going to attempt to emulate Bivol's game plan exactly. I think that rather than landing enough to win rounds if the judges were fair and impartial which we know they won't be, GGG will look to hurt Canelo each round like chopping a tree with an axe. Eventually, the tree is going to fall. However, the referee could stop the fight before a knockdown or knockout happens. Even though GGG is 40 years of age, I think Canelo has declined to a point where GGG can win by TKO or KO.

[gilgamesh]

GGG has surely learned by now. It's Knockout or nothing.

He's taking the fight because it's more money than he'd make for any 5 other fights pretty much, so as far as just being financially set for the rest of his days I get it.

I figure Golovkin will just fight his fight to the best of his ability because that's just the way he operates.

Barring a KO shot, which you never fully count out for Golovkin, I can't see him winning. So basically, I think Golovkin has like a 5% chance of winning, and all 5 of that is on a KO win. He can't win a decision.

Even if he did wanna fight like Bivol. You don't fight a certain way for years and years and years, see a guy do well with a different style, and then suddenly decide you'd like to do that and do it just as well. Hell if it were that easy everybody would just switch styles everytime they saw a guy that was particularly sharp.

[apollo creed]

True. The thing I want to see at GGG is to have a tighter high guard like Bivol has. GGG due of his style blocks punches with his face. I don't want to see GGG taking heavy punches on his head

Also I'd like to see from G using the jab more and the 1-2 combos and forget about using hooks or overhand punches bc he leaves himself open for quick counters. Its very hard to catch clean Canelo with a solid left hook or with a right overhand bc he has a very sharp head and waist movement.

I saw that the most efficient punches in G's 2 fights vs Canelo were the jabs and the 1-2 combos.

[Bandog]

I think it comes down to GGG working the body more, and having the confidence to throw combinations without fear of getting countered.

[Mexi-Box]

Nah, he doesn't have the footwork anymore, at least I don't think he does. If Canelo comes at a fast, stalking pace like he did against all the guys at 168, I don't know how Golovkin can win, and he's not the guy to do what Bivol did anymore.

[IKSRTFO]

He can't emulate Bivol's gameplan.

[margaret thatcher]

exactly, totally different fighters.. ggg wouldnt be able to do it effectively

[Perseus]

Trying to be somebody else will not be a successful strategy for GGG.

.......or any other boxer that tries to be something he is not while in the ring with a decent opponent.

[apollo creed]

Indeed G hasn't Bivol's speed, size, youthness, reflexes and defence but G could use the high guard, the jab and the 1-2 combos more.

[adislav123]

Nah, he doesn't have the footwork anymore, at least I don't think he does. If Canelo comes at a fast, stalking pace like he did against all the guys at 168, I don't know how Golovkin can win, and he's not the guy to do what Bivol did anymore.

he didn't do what bivol did in the first two fights and won both.

I'm not saying ggg is still in his prime at 40 but if canelo thinks single loaded up powershots will put golovkin on the back foot, he'll need the corrupt judges for a third time.

[Mexi-Box]

Nah, he doesn't have the footwork anymore, at least I don't think he does. If Canelo comes at a fast, stalking pace like he did against all the guys at 168, I don't know how Golovkin can win, and he's not the guy to do what Bivol did anymore.

he didn't do what bivol did in the first two fights and won both.

I'm not saying ggg is still in his prime at 40 but if canelo thinks single loaded up powershots will put golovkin on the back foot, he'll need the corrupt judges for a third time.

While I scored both fights for GGG, I'm pretty sure the vast majority thought Canelo won the second fight clear.

Outside of GGG doing what Bivol did, there isn't much room for him to have a close fight with Canelo again. Canelo will likely come in his natural form with constant stalking pressure and have Golovkin on the backfoot again. I feel like this just doesn't punctuate Golovkin's style well because he'll not win again on the backfoot (outside of a KO).

While you can harp about your scorecard, the judges are the ones awarding the fight. And again, I know some very good boxing enthusiasts who thought Canelo won it clear, so this wasn't a Cave/Escandon robbery or anything.

[adislav123]

Nah, he doesn't have the footwork anymore, at least I don't think he does. If Canelo comes at a fast, stalking pace like he did against all the guys at 168, I don't know how Golovkin can win, and he's not the guy to do what Bivol did anymore.

he didn't do what bivol did in the first two fights and won both.

I'm not saying ggg is still in his prime at 40 but if canelo thinks single loaded up powershots will put golovkin on the back foot, he'll need the corrupt judges for a third time.

While I scored both fights for GGG, I'm pretty sure the vast majority thought Canelo won the second fight clear.

Outside of GGG doing what Bivol did, there isn't much room for him to have a close fight with Canelo again. Canelo will likely come in his natural form with constant stalking pressure and have Golovkin on the backfoot again. I feel like this just doesn't punctuate Golovkin's style well because he'll not win again on the backfoot (outside of a KO).

While you can harp about your scorecard, the judges are the ones awarding the fight. And again, I know some very good boxing enthusiasts who thought Canelo won it clear, so this wasn't a Cave/Escandon robbery or anything.

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canelo will have GGG on the backfoot AGAIN???

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'he'll not win again on the backfoot'??? who???

sorry, i'm honestly confused.

canelo? did win on the cards but lost the fight, he indeed was put 'on the backfoot' occasionally.

ggg did get fvcked on the cards but no way lost the fight. if you could show me ggg 'on the backfoot' against canelo, xcept taking 'a step back' and immediately come forward again throwing, i'd very much appreciate it.

[apollo creed]

GGG shoud use a high tight guard, efective jabs, angles and 1-2s to have a chance to look decent for 12 rounds vs Canelo

[Mexi-Box]

he didn't do what bivol did in the first two fights and won both.

I'm not saying ggg is still in his prime at 40 but if canelo thinks single loaded up powershots will put golovkin on the back foot, he'll need the corrupt judges for a third time.

While I scored both fights for GGG, I'm pretty sure the vast majority thought Canelo won the second fight clear.

Outside of GGG doing what Bivol did, there isn't much room for him to have a close fight with Canelo again. Canelo will likely come in his natural form with constant stalking pressure and have Golovkin on the backfoot again. I feel like this just doesn't punctuate Golovkin's style well because he'll not win again on the backfoot (outside of a KO).

While you can harp about your scorecard, the judges are the ones awarding the fight. And again, I know some very good boxing enthusiasts who thought Canelo won it clear, so this wasn't a Cave/Escandon robbery or anything.

ad. 1.
canelo will have GGG on the backfoot AGAIN???

ad. 2.
'he'll not win again on the backfoot'??? who???

sorry, i'm honestly confused.

canelo? did win on the cards but lost the fight, he indeed was put 'on the backfoot' occasionally.

ggg did get fvcked on the cards but no way lost the fight. if you could show me ggg 'on the backfoot' against canelo, xcept taking 'a step back' and immediately come forward again throwing, i'd very much appreciate it.

Watch the first and second fight. I don't know what to tell you if you don't think Golovkin was on the backfoot more in the second fight with Canelo putting more of the pressure. And again, you can harp about GGG winning, but more thought Canelo won that clear, and as always, the judges give titles, not adislav123.

[pound per pound]

GGG might not have to emulate anything. It is possible Canelo has declined sharply recently while GGG is declining at a much slower rate. He's 40. Fight like a 40 year old. The one advice I'd give him in press it early and be active in the last 30 seconds of each round. Canelo isn't losing a fight that would normally be scored 7-5, to 8-4 against him. Sad but true.

This is a reason boxing is bad sport. Crooked referees keep the scores, You'd be better the go off the punch stats and score the round 10-8 when a Knockdown happens with Canelo. He's dirty fighter ( PEDS ) with the promoters and judges in his back pocket.

[adislav123]

for all 3 'judges' to give all of those 4 first rounds to canelo is nothing short of criminal.

canelo barely did land a legit punch, again for the extra thick ones:

punches to the arms of the opponent just aren't landed punches, they are blocked punches and can't be scored!!!!

[Bandog]

for all 3 'judges' to give all of those 4 first rounds to canelo is nothing short of criminal.

canelo barely did land a legit punch, again for the extra thick ones:

punches to the arms of the opponent just aren't landed punches, they are blocked punches and can't be scored!!!!

Perhaps feints count as a punch landed in Canelo fights? Maybe the thing I was over-looking was the judges subtracting punches landed by GGG if he missed? I thought GGG won the first fight clear, and the second closer.

[jezzamundo]

While I scored both fights for GGG, I'm pretty sure the vast majority thought Canelo won the second fight clear.

Outside of GGG doing what Bivol did, there isn't much room for him to have a close fight with Canelo again. Canelo will likely come in his natural form with constant stalking pressure and have Golovkin on the backfoot again. I feel like this just doesn't punctuate Golovkin's style well because he'll not win again on the backfoot (outside of a KO).

While you can harp about your scorecard, the judges are the ones awarding the fight. And again, I know some very good boxing enthusiasts who thought Canelo won it clear, so this wasn't a Cave/Escandon robbery or anything.

ad. 1.
canelo will have GGG on the backfoot AGAIN???

ad. 2.
'he'll not win again on the backfoot'??? who???

sorry, i'm honestly confused.

canelo? did win on the cards but lost the fight, he indeed was put 'on the backfoot' occasionally.

ggg did get fvcked on the cards but no way lost the fight. if you could show me ggg 'on the backfoot' against canelo, xcept taking 'a step back' and immediately come forward again throwing, i'd very much appreciate it.

Watch the first and second fight. I don't know what to tell you if you don't think Golovkin was on the backfoot more in the second fight with Canelo putting more of the pressure. And again, you can harp about GGG winning, but more thought Canelo won that clear, and as always, the judges give titles, not adislav123.

I scored the rematch a draw and I'm a GGG fan. Had GGG up 6-5 heading into the 12th and I think that last round could go either way. The majority scoring the fight online (BoxRec and Eye on the Ring) had it close to GGG. I think having it 115-113 to Canelo is reasonable, but GGG deserved it more.

Canelo was much better in the rematch, he was more aggressive, threw more to the body and had a better workrate. First fight was a clear robbery.