David Haye versus Primo Carnera

[goose 5]

12 rounds

[Ezzard]

Haye. See Baer-Carnera.

[scorpio83]

Haye by decision in 12, but Carnera would win the 15 round decision by using his long effective jabs and uppercuts to counter Haye's punches on the outside.

[DrDuke]

Carnera was too slow, clumsy, hittable and vulnerable. Haye would knock him out.

[emallini]

Haye by brutal KO

[HomicideHenry]

Haye isn't knocking out a prime Carnera. Max Baer dropped him over 11 times, and the Italian giant got up every time. He quit in that instance. When Joe Louis knocked out the nearly 6'6" 270+ Carnera, the Italian giant was not only passed his prime he was also basically a functioning alcoholic at that point and was dabbling more in professional wrestling than anything else.

Haye would most likely win a decision, but Carnera had a good jab and was pretty quick on his feet despite his muscularity. It would be a bit more competitive than people would think. Certainly more competitive than the Valuev fight which was unimpressive with the exception of the final round. I can see Carnera actually winning a few rounds against Haye.

[scorpio83]

Haye isn't knocking out a prime Carnera. Max Baer dropped him over 11 times, and the Italian giant got up every time. He quit in that instance. When Joe Louis knocked out the nearly 6'6" 270+ Carnera, the Italian giant was not only passed his prime he was also basically a functioning alcoholic at that point and was dabbling more in professional wrestling than anything else.

Haye would most likely win a decision, but Carnera had a good jab and was pretty quick on his feet despite his muscularity. It would be a bit more competitive than people would think. Certainly more competitive than the Valuev fight which was unimpressive with the exception of the final round. I can see Carnera actually winning a few rounds against Haye.

Interesting fact on Carnera's competitiveness.

[Ambling Alp II]

Carnera hurt his ankle badly early in the Baer fight, yet he kept on trying.

homicidehenry is again playing fast and loose with the facts.

Carnera did not quit against Baer. The referee stopped it.
Carnera did not become serious in wrestling for about 9 years after the Louis.
He was still an active fighter when he fought Louis. This was the 4th of 7 fights for him this year. Only one he lost. He was still ranked and it was only a year after he beat Tommy Loughran.

Something to chew on:
Carnera is the only fighter we can find in the history of boxing that weighed over 220 who beat a great fighter (Loughran) who was under 200.

[Bodyshot3]

Haye via the cards.

It is rinse and repeat of his Valuev fight for me.

He's not going to slay the giant or risk getting a clubbing/game-over shot and can take the rounds much as he pleases and by staying on the move and having a large scoring target to pepper.

Haye does not have issues with these guys - it is the blokes with a degree of speed and an extra 25 lbs who are lethal for him - or a seriously big lump who can move and wants to box.

[HomicideHenry]

Carnera hurt his ankle badly early in the Baer fight, yet he kept on trying.

homicidehenry is again playing fast and loose with the facts.

Carnera did not quit against Baer. The referee stopped it.
Carnera did not become serious in wrestling for about 9 years after the Louis.
He was still an active fighter when he fought Louis. This was the 4th of 7 fights for him this year. Only one he lost. He was still ranked and it was only a year after he beat Tommy Loughran.

Something to chew on:
Carnera is the only fighter we can find in the history of boxing that weighed over 220 who beat a great fighter (Loughran) who was under 200.

Carnera said, "Fini!", the original, "No mas," against Baer. One merely has to look at the video tape to see the Italian giant talking to the referee, and then the referee waived it off.

Carnera was a diabetic and alcoholic. In 1938 he had to have a kidney removed because of it. He was kayoed by Louis in 1935, and if you look at his pictures he looks thinner and kind of sickly than he had been.

I do stand corrected as to when his professional wrestling career began (1944) although originally Carnera was a circus strongman and wrestler to begin with when he was first discovered by boxing trainers and managers.

Regardless, I stand firm Haye would not knock out Carnera and the Italian giant would even win a few rounds against him.