Frank-- (Warren's) wife is sued by builders for £1.2m for failing to pay up

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Frank-- (Warren's) wife is sued by builders for £1.2m for failing to pay up

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Builders who stopped building ex-Vogue model's extension because they found BATS in the attic of her £1.2m mansion sue her for failing to pay up

• Susan Warren is being sued for £1.2m by building firm after refusing to settle bill
• Team of builders was enlisted in 2017 to create an extension to Frogmore Farm
• Mrs Warren fell out with boss of Caudle Developments Ltd after work stopped
• She claims £900,000 she paid before work stopped more than covers the bill
• But Caudle Developments Ltd are suing for £1.2million for lost profit and bills
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Boxing promoter allegedly's wife is locked in a £1.2million court battle with builders after the couple's lavish million-pound extension was derailed by bats in the attic.

Former Vogue model Susan Warren is being sued by a building firm after refusing to settle a bill for an extension to the Grade-II listed mansion at their eight-acre country estate, Frogmore Farm, in Hertfordshire.

A team of builders was enlisted in 2017 and 2018 to create a modern glass-walled extension to the east side of the 16th century main house, with a single storey above ground and a basement, as well as works to renovate and modify the existing house.

But Mrs Warren fell out with the boss of the company managing the build, Caudle Developments Ltd, after work on the couple's mansion stopped for six months over issues caused by protected bats living in the attic of their historic house.

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Mrs Warren (left) fell out with the boss of the company managing the build, Caudle Developments Ltd, after work on the couple's mansion stopped for six months over issues caused by protected bats living in the attic of their historic house. Right: Builder Dan Caudle

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Dan Caudle, director of Caudle Developments, eventually told his team to down tools, claiming Mrs Warren had failed to keep up with payments following the bat delay and the couple enlisted another building company to finish the project.

Now the building company is suing Mrs Warren claiming around £1.2million compensation for lost profit, unpaid bills and loss of business.

Mrs Warren however denies owing the builders anything, claiming the £900,000 they were paid before walking out more than covers the value of the work they did.

She is also countersuing for £400,000 to cover what it cost to get the project finished.

Frogmore Farm, at Watton at Stone, Hertford, is home to boxing business legend allegedly and ex-model Susan, his second wife.

Mr Warren, 70, has promoted and managed many of the UK's best boxers, including Naseem Hamed, Frank Bruno, Tyson Fury, Joe Calzaghe, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Amir Khan and Ricky Hatton.

The house, which was originally built in the 16th century with later alterations, has a traditional exposed timber frame with mullioned casement windows and is surrounded by eight acres of formal gardens and meadows, plus a large swimming pool.

In 2015, Mrs Warren had plans approved for a modern glass-walled extension to the side of the house, along with other improvements.

The couple knew they had bats - a protected species - living in their attic at the time and had a dedicated 'bat house' pre-built as part of their plans, for the rare flying mammals to be moved into to prevent them being disturbed.

But after enlisting Mr Caudle's company to do the rest of the works at a contract price of £1,052,680 plus VAT, the bats halted the build in October 2017 after four months, when it was discovered that neither Mrs Warren nor the builders had obtained the special licence from Natural England which was required to move the bats to their new home.

By the time the licence was acquired, the bats were hibernating and could not be disturbed and no work affecting the roof was carried out between October 2017 and April 2018.

The work then restarted for six months until the falling out, when Mrs Warren became disgruntled with how long the works were taking after the bat delay, and Mr Caudle complained that his payments were not up to date.

Mr Caudle told his workers to down tools on October 22, 2018, and another firm was subsequently enlisted to finish the project.

Now both sides are suing, with each claiming the other side broke the contract they signed agreeing the terms of the build.

Mrs Warren is claiming the builders went over what would have been a reasonable time for them to finish the project.

But Richard Sage, for Caudle Developments Ltd, told the judge that the absence of a licence to move the bats had caused a 'fundamental problem' for the builders and a huge delay, for which he blames Mrs Warren.

'In order to move the bats from the property, it was necessary to obtain a licence from Natural England. No licence had been applied for. Until the licence was in place, there was no further work that the claimant could realistically carry out,' he said.

'Accordingly, on 11 October 2017, the claimant pulled his men off the site and work was paused.

'The bat licence was obtained in mid-November 2017. At this point, the claimant was prepared to return to site to carry out the works to the roof so that the bats could be removed. Unfortunately, by this time the temperature had fallen such that the bats were - or were likely to be - in hibernation. Thus, the works could not continue.

'Ultimately, because of the time it took for the bats to stop hibernating, the works were in fact suspended between 11 October 2017 and 9 April 2018.

'The defendant is responsible for this suspension, as she ought to have applied for the licence.

'Prior to the claimant starting work, the defendant had notified the claimant that the bats were going to be moved into the bat house in September 2017.

'Unfortunately, when it came to move the bats, it transpired that this was not possible,' he added.

David Brynmore Thomas QC, for Mrs Warren, however told the judge, 'there is a dispute between the parties as to the legitimacy of the (bat) suspension..'

He said that Mrs Warren insists that 'there were tasks not on a critical path affected by the bats that could have been proceeded with over the winter 17/18' and that the couple were within their rights to take umbrage later that the builders were 'behind with progress to the works'.

The barrister denied that Mrs Warren was in the wrong when she didn't pay an invoice for £105,285.99 on October 22 2018, leading to the walkout.

'That invoice was premature as it was not - based on a monthly schedule - due to be issued for another eight days, 30 October 2018,' the barrister said, adding that Mrs Warren had justified 'reservations...about the progress of the works'.

'The claimant was behind with progress to the works,' he continued.

'The claimant issued a further invoice on 22 October 2018.

'The claimant then demobilised from site on 22 October, indicating that it would not remobilize until the defendant had paid.

'The court will have to decide if the claimant was entitled to demobilize from site on 22 October 2018. The defendant's case is that the claimant was not entitled to do so.

'By November 2018, the claimant had not returned to site and had plainly repudiated the building contract.

'It was the claimant that repudiated the contract by demobilizing as it did and by purporting to terminate the contract accepting a repudiatory breach of contract when there was no such breach on the defendant's part,' the barrister said.

Mr Sage, for the builders, however denied the works were behind, claiming the six-month bat delay was Mrs Warren's fault, and should be taken into account.

'What is a reasonable time for completion is a matter of fact,' he said.

'However...It would also be subject to increase if the works were delayed by matters beyond the control of the claimant such as the problem with the bats.'

He went on to tell the judge that the question of 'which party was responsible for obtaining the bat licence' is 'a key issue in this dispute'.

'It was an implied term that the defendant would use all due diligence to obtain in respect of the works the necessary consents or approvals required by statute or statutory instrument, and that this included obtaining any licence / permission required to remove bats from the roof of the property: This is denied by the defence,' he added.

The hearing continues.
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So Frank isn’t the only Warren who seemingly struggles to pay on time. They must get good rates from whatever Law firm they’re with given how much they use them.
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maverick23 wrote: 22 Jun 2022, 07:28 So Frank isn’t the only Warren who seemingly struggles to pay on time. They must get good rates from whatever Law firm they’re with given how much they use them.
With the Warren's, it's either sued or be sued! :yay:

She's being sued, so she is counter-suing. :clap:

She's like, na mate, you don't sue me! I flippin sue you.

iIt's in her name too. (Su)san
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If you were a builder. Would you take that job on ?? :lol:
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I wouldn't take any bets on Mr and Mrs allegedly winning.
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It must have been a quiet day at Vogue House (ironically, I worked next door to it for nine years on Hanover Square, Mayfair) when Susan became one of their models as there isn't a single photographic example of her work.

Would never dream of being libellous, so I'm sure one of his team can post a photo of her in Vogue
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Exoddus wrote: 22 Jun 2022, 12:58 I wouldn't take any bets on Mr and Mrs allegedly winning.
I wouldn’t take any bets of their lawyer being paid either.
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it's sweet they all respect the bat
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Wtf? Bats are a protected species? We can’t just kill them whenever we feel like it? Why not?
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bats are misunderstood and surprisingly cute widdle creatures

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Will admit , i'm not much of a greenie or save the bat people , i would off just instructed them to take some tiles of the roof , and gone in the attic shouting shoo shoo ,, if that did'nt work i'd of just killed them biggest dilema i would of had would of been air rifle or sling shot , Then i'd of denied it if asked , stating i told them its Frank Warrens house and if they hold up work he'll sue them so they fooooked off
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WBO have agreed to sanction this battle.
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coneye wrote: 22 Jun 2022, 20:43 Will admit , i'm not much of a greenie or save the bat people , i would off just instructed them to take some tiles of the roof , and gone in the attic shouting shoo shoo ,, if that did'nt work i'd of just killed them biggest dilema i would of had would of been air rifle or sling shot , Then i'd of denied it if asked , stating i told them its Frank Warrens house and if they hold up work he'll sue them so they fooooked off
Sure you would, tough guy
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gregregegg wrote: 23 Jun 2022, 00:10 WBO have agreed to sanction this battle.
😂

The builder’s now in the WBO top 15.
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maverick23 wrote: 23 Jun 2022, 02:24
gregregegg wrote: 23 Jun 2022, 00:10 WBO have agreed to sanction this battle.
😂

The builder’s now in the WBO top 15.
Yea, they just emailed him an interglobalsouthpacificontinennorthernamricointernationeurasianarctic championship belt. Its pretty prestegious.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 22 Jun 2022, 20:33 bats are misunderstood and surprisingly cute widdle creatures

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I like them, see quite a few where I am at night. I've heard from builders before that you have big problems if you have bats as they are endangered
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tigermoth87 wrote: 23 Jun 2022, 00:22
coneye wrote: 22 Jun 2022, 20:43 Will admit , i'm not much of a greenie or save the bat people , i would off just instructed them to take some tiles of the roof , and gone in the attic shouting shoo shoo ,, if that did'nt work i'd of just killed them biggest dilema i would of had would of been air rifle or sling shot , Then i'd of denied it if asked , stating i told them its Frank Warrens house and if they hold up work he'll sue them so they fooooked off
Sure you would, tough guy
Yep i surely would ,, would'nt bat an eyelid
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Nightmare Roy wrote: 23 Jun 2022, 04:57
margaret thatcher wrote: 22 Jun 2022, 20:33 bats are misunderstood and surprisingly cute widdle creatures

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I like them, see quite a few where I am at night. I've heard from builders before that you have big problems if you have bats as they are endangered
A bat's habitat and a warrens lair should resolve the issue,
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Is frank actually Batman ???
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tigermoth87 wrote: 23 Jun 2022, 00:22
coneye wrote: 22 Jun 2022, 20:43 Will admit , i'm not much of a greenie or save the bat people , i would off just instructed them to take some tiles of the roof , and gone in the attic shouting shoo shoo ,, if that did'nt work i'd of just killed them biggest dilema i would of had would of been air rifle or sling shot , Then i'd of denied it if asked , stating i told them its Frank Warrens house and if they hold up work he'll sue them so they fooooked off
Sure you would, tough guy
All for banter and jokes of any description but a joke… if this is a joke… has to be funny.
If it is a joke then that’s some lame comedy my man…
If it’s not a joke then you one strange guy as bats are quality.
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Dioufy wrote: 24 Jun 2022, 02:58
tigermoth87 wrote: 23 Jun 2022, 00:22
coneye wrote: 22 Jun 2022, 20:43 Will admit , i'm not much of a greenie or save the bat people , i would off just instructed them to take some tiles of the roof , and gone in the attic shouting shoo shoo ,, if that did'nt work i'd of just killed them biggest dilema i would of had would of been air rifle or sling shot , Then i'd of denied it if asked , stating i told them its Frank Warrens house and if they hold up work he'll sue them so they fooooked off
Sure you would, tough guy
All for banter and jokes of any description but a joke… if this is a joke… has to be funny.
If it is a joke then that’s some lame comedy my man…
If it’s not a joke then you one strange guy as bats are quality.
I'll break it down for ya .

Tiles of roof shout shoo , go away , piss off , Seriuos no joke .

Kill them with sling shot or air rifle ,, part joke ,, i would'nt shoot them ,, probably throw a couple cats in the roof to chase them out .

Deny ,, no joke i'd deny till the bats come home

Tell Warren would sue them Joke , has to be even Warren can't sue bats . .

Bats may be quality but stuffed if i'd hold up on my building work cos they were squatting
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Oh yeah. Haha :stop:
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In all seriousness I have never got on the wrong side of a bat, however I doubt they would present much of a challenge.

Surely if it was one on one or even one on five you could just clout their faces off?
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What's with all the bat talk?
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 24 Jun 2022, 09:31 What's with all the bat talk?
I know its driving me BATTY ,,,, :lol: :lol: Could'nt help myself i woke up in a good mood :lol: :lol:
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