Round-by-Round: Joe Joyce vs. Christian Hammer - 2 July 2022

[Dioufy]

Despite his previous credentials looks to me that we’ve seen the best Jo Jo we will see. Hammer didn’t quit due to the frenetic pace; he quit because he had zero cardio vascular ability… probably brought on by lack of training.

I don’t wanna see the Wallin fight as we don’t know if Wallin is any good (he’s getting so much credit for cutting Fury but getting battered).

The Dub fight makes sense for Dub only and no point in rehashing old ground for Joyce. I think I’d favour DD in the rematch anyways.

24th Sept is not too far… so they need to be getting the opponent in the next few weeks if they want a meaningful fight. Obvs won’t be Parker. Ruiz fighting Ortiz. AJ v Usyk. Hunter fighting Fury. Wilder too expensive; Whyte more than likely the same.

Bet it’s Bakole. Or Helenius.

Both would be decent but I get the impression they’re wanting Joyce to be on PpV. Let’s see what happens.

Cannot see a way Joe ever gets to PPV unless he just waits for Tyson/Usyk/AJ and that’s a long way in the future. You’re looking at 18 months. At best.

Usyk was WBO mando. Can’t see that being called before an undisputed fight happens.

Joyce needs to fight on Sky. Put it straight to Frank and have a one-off on a rival platform for 1.2mil. Then if you win we’ll you become a top 5 heavy and guys will wanna fight you; not the other way around.

If Joe doesn’t fight a legitimate top 15 in Sept. I will lose my shit on here. Like full mental breakdown, banned, ect.

[margaret thatcher]

wallin didnt just cut fury, he also won 3-4 rounds and hurt him in the 12th. maybe he's getting too much credit, but he didnt just cut him and then get pummelled for all the rest of the fight. if fury is the #1 hw in the world , of course he should get a fare deal of credit for that. he was never close to being stopped like whyte or like wilder was 2x either. i dont mind wallin-jj at all

ya, dont think they want danny to get stopped again, so they wont be rematching anytime soon


parker i'd like for him, then pulev (if he beats chizz) or maybe dudes like bakole, wallin, or helenius if he cant land someone better

[Dioufy]

I think I give Wallin 1 round and certainly can’t remember Fury being hurt; I will have the watch that 12th again.

Tbf Fury had half his head missing and still dealt with him easy stuff.

If Joyce’s next fight is Wallin it’s a step up from Takam and Hammer but make no bones… Joyce doesn’t have many fights left in his prime and this would be a wasted one imo.

Wallin isn’t that good. He’s big, dirty, lefty and likes a lean. But if Fury not cut that bad he shows us what Wallin truly is. A big plodding dosser!

[margaret thatcher]

calling that easy for fury is just delusional , he basically had his face ripped off, busted up in multiple places (wasnt just 1 cut) and couldve easily had that stopped against him. fury is this supposed great moving hard to hit giant, but those punches had to land to cut him in the first place

and wallin did win some rounds and clearly hurt fury in the 12th. fury retreated and needed to grab the ropes. sounds like people are trying to reinvent that fight

[Dioufy]

calling that easy for fury is just delusional , he basically had his face ripped off, busted up in multiple places (wasnt just 1 cut) and couldve easily had that stopped against him.

and wallin did win some rounds and clearly hurt fury in the 12th. fury needed to grab the ropes.

Back off Tony

Could’ve easily been stopped but no way was that fight 116-112; that’s too close.

If Joe beats Wallin, which I expect, then doesn’t do anything for him.

Wallins 3 best wins have been against opponents coming off loses. I seriously don’t get the man love with this Swede.

If he’s orthodox he’s 18-4.

[Coco]

I noticed that Marcus McDonnell had given Joyce the first round

[margaret thatcher]

he mashed the world #1's face to pieces , won some rounds, hurt him, never was close to being stopped or even dropped. of course he should get some love for that,. didnt you say you think fury is the greatest hw ever head to head? well otter sure did well considering!

wallin's a crafty southpaw, looks durable, moves well......he's not bad at all and he's not 18-4

[margaret thatcher]

btw, here are a bunch of cards for the fight. lots of people gave walline 3-5 rounds. and notice that 100 percent gave him the 12th? that's because he hurt fury, like i said

https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/tyson-f ... tto-wallin

[Dioufy]

Okay just watched that 12th again. There is a difference getting clipped clean and being hurt btw.

Fury catches a left hook as he’s wiping blood away from his eye (does this 3 dozen times). Then catches a few short arm punches. Puts his arms on the ropes then goes super negative and tries to survive the round.

Guy is knackered and v weak and that’s hardly surprising when you’ve lost a few pints of blood.

It’s a push to say Wallin hurt him there.

[margaret thatcher]

not a push at all, he gets tagged then has to grab the ropes and goes negative, needed to hold too. you do that when youre hurt.

why would he be knackered if he was having such a breeze of it anyway...

[Dioufy]

btw, here are a bunch of cards for the fight. lots of people gave walline 3-5 rounds. and notice that 100 percent gave him the 12th? that's because he hurt fury, like i said

https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/tyson-f ... tto-wallin

People swayed by the blood.
I know a few people who had it v wide for Fury. I know some who had it 8/4.
You are missing the point; without the cut then it’s a very easy fight.
3rd round that cut opened.
A one eyed Fury with a cut that needed 50 stitches still beat this monster v effectively.
Wallin is sheet, bro.

[margaret thatcher]

multiple cuts and swellings, all caused by those sharp punches. otto scissor hands ripped the HW GOAT up

[Dioufy]

not a push at all, he gets tagged then has to grab the ropes and goes negative, needed to hold too. you do that when youre hurt.

why would he be knackered if he was having such a breeze of it anyway...

I’ve boxed, mate. I’ve held far more when I’m tired than when hurt. He hardly grabs the ropes. He just leans against then and puts his arms on them. He’s absolutely knackered mate.
I’m not surprised. He’s probably coming off the panic and anxiety about being stopped, the cut actually causing tremendous pain and how hard it is to do 12 rounds when you’re 20stone.
The adrenaline definitely wearing off in that 12th. Hurt? He got clipped clean. No biggie.

[Dioufy]

You made me overuse the word “mate” so that means you pissed me off

[margaret thatcher]

he does it right after getting tagged, that's the reaction of someone who has been buzzed. holding on to the opponent and the ropes, suddenly disengaging. he was never close to being stopped or anything, but he was definitely a bit hurt there, worse than he ever did to wallin. no shame in it

otter did pretty well vs the hw #1 and has abilities that could give joyce trouble, including never being close to getting stopped, even though fury ktfo wilder and whyte. i think it's a totally fine fight if it happens, though i'd like joe vs joe for all the joe glory

[margaret thatcher]

wallin vs dubs..........id be up for that too tbh

[Spud]

For Joe Joyce to fight for a world title he is going to have to force a mandatory fight.

Joe is firmly in the “who needs him club”.

He may not be exciting but he is as hard a nails.

[margaret thatcher]

it sucks that the parker fight went down the tube, that was such a well matched fight

[Dioufy]

Gonna get his sh!t pushed back up his hairy gypsy ass by Deontay

Why you hate Fury? Guy is quality

In the RBR Wallin v Fury the monster that is Wallin you give the “the first 2 and 12th”.

9-3… dicey

[Spud]

I think Joe is increasing in confidence all the time it wouldn’t surprise me if Joe stopped Parker

[margaret thatcher]

oh he defo won those, and some others


btw, reading the rbr thread gives a far different picture than the easy breezy 11-1 cakewalk you talk about! 8-4 or closer cards all over, worry for fury, praisse for the otter, etc....

[Dioufy]

I think Joe is increasing in confidence all the time it wouldn’t surprise me if Joe stopped Parker

Shouldn’t be increasing. Guy is eating shots for fun but don’t worry… the better the opponent the better his skills.

People slating Fury for losing rounds v Beast Wallin despite having a cut the length of my flaccid penis are the same guys forgetting that Joyce lost rounds v Hammer, Takam and a 15 year old Dubois.

Guy isn’t very good when we talking about the elite. Tbh he looks like a scalp waiting to happen.

[margaret thatcher]

ya, and on the path of reinventing fights, i forgot that joe didnt knockout danny '10 count' dubois either

i guess dubs has gotten a lot better bashing up all those cans since though

[Dioufy]

oh he defo won those, and some others


btw, reading the rbr thread gives a far different picture than the easy breezy 11-1 cakewalk you talk about!

Maybe I was a little wide but I wasn’t massively impressed with Wallin. He had a mental handicap over Fury with the cut and then hardly won a round after that. Was an off night for Fury but considering the mitigation he did well to unambiguously win.

You beat down on Fury yet big far lesser skilled fighters up. It’s a strange one.

[margaret thatcher]

you call fury the h2h greatest of all time, but then find it strange that people give wallin credit for tearing his face up and having some success. i find that strange too my man

wouldnt say i really beat down fury either, wouldnt favour anyone over him