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Who wins?

Poll ended at 05 Nov 2022, 19:35

Bivol - Decision
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Bivol - T/KO
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DRAW
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Ramirez - T/KO
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Ramirez - Decision
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Dmitry Bivol vs. Gilberto Ramirez | DAZN - November 5, 2022

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Dmitry Bivol vs. Gilberto Ramirez is Ordered By The WBA

Dmitry Bivol finally has his marching orders.

The leading candidate for 2022 Fighter of the Year has been summoned to next make a mandatory defense of his WBA light heavyweight title against number-one contender Gilberto ‘Zurdo’ Ramirez. The bout was formally ordered by the WBA on Monday afternoon, with the two sides given until August 10 to come to terms to avoid a purse bid hearing.

“Bivol’s champion period is conditioned to a term of 24 months and his last mandatory fight was on March 3, 2018, his next one was to be after March 2020,” Carlos Chavez, chairman of the WBA Championship Committee detailed in a letter to both camps, a copy of which was obtained by Boxing Scene. “For that reason, he must face Ramirez.

“In case they do not reach an agreement in the given time period or any of the parties refused to do so, the WBA will have the right to call the fight a purse bid.”

Bivol is represented by Matchroom Boxing and career-long manager Vadim Kornilov. Ramirez proudly fights under the Golden Boy Promotions banner and with manager David Suh handling the business side of his career.

Bivol (20-0, 11 KOs) is coming off the biggest win of his career and the best performance posted by any boxer thus far in 2022.

The unbeaten long-reigning titlist turned away the challenge of four-division champ and then pound-for-pound king this past May 7 at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. The 31-year old Kyrgyzstan-born, Russian-based champ was viewed as a clear winner by most observers but had to sweat out absurdly close scorecards of 115-113 across the board to retain his title for the ninth defense of the title he has held since 2017.

Ramirez (44-0, 30 KOs) emerged as the mandatory challenger just one week later after a fourth-round knockout of Dominic Boesel in their May 14 title eliminator in Ontario, California. The was the fifth straight at light heavyweight for the Mexican southpaw, who moved up in 2019 after previously reigning as a WBO super middleweight titlist.

There were loose talks of Bivol possibly facing England’s Joshua Buatsi later this year, though such a fight was always at the mercy of the WBA’s ruling. Ramirez was the number two contender at the time of his one-sided win over then number-one ranked Boesel, which made it a no-brainer to order the fight, despite the WBA taking weeks to rule on the matter.

Bivol’s path became clearer once it was learned that Alvarez (57-2-2, 39KOs)—who sought to enforce a rematch clause—was locked into a trilogy fight with longtime rival Gennadiy Golovkin (42-1-1, 37KOs) which takes place September 17 on DAZN Pay-Per-View from T-Mobile Arena. Alvarez was contractually bound to a third clash with Golovkin as part of a multi-fight agreement that brought him back to Matchroom Boxing and DAZN after a one fight absence.

Alvarez will defend his undisputed super middleweight championship in the fight with Golovkin, a two-time and reigning WBA/IBF middleweight titlist who will move up in weight. The global superstar from Guadalajara, Mexico has publicly insisted his intention to again face Bivol provided he prevails on September 17.

It will also require Bivol to conquer Ramirez, who signed with Golden Boy Promotions last year with the intention of running his record to at least 52-0 and winning titles all the way up to heavyweight.

For now, the pair of unbeaten light heavyweights have 30 days to focus on reaching a deal for their next fight.
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I know Bivol had plans..

Don’t think Buatsi was ready for him.

He can beat Zurdo. Hope no one ducks this.

Both with DAZN. Should be straight forward?

In the meantime, Beterbiev can come to England and put a beating on Yarde..

Then early next year we get Bert-Bivol.

Canelo has already said he wants Bivol after GGG.

Let’s see how it all plays out.
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Great news if you ask me. Let's see what Zurdo brings.
Better fight than watching Bivol slap Canelo around again.
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I think Ramirez ducks this. i mean unless the bids are wayyyyy higher than id expect them to be.

Hope not though, outside of undisputed this is the best fight for bivol i think.
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A decent fight, but a bad option in front of the Bivol-Beter opportunity. F*ck all these promotional/network issues.
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Zurdo Ramirez On WBA-Ordered Fight With Bivol: Time Is Right And I Will Be Ready For It

Gilberto ‘Zurdo’ Ramirez could not have been more thrilled when he received the news.

It’s been two months since the unbeaten Mexican southpaw secured the number-one contender slot to fight for the WBA light heavyweight titlist Dmitry Bivol, with both posting wins one week apart in May. The waiting game ensued before the WBA formally ordered the mandatory title fight on Monday, with both camps now given until August 10 to reach a deal.

“The beginning was a little bit sad and mad for me,” Ramirez admitted to BS.com, initially concerned that the fight would not be ordered to next take place. “Now, everything has changed. The time is right, and I will be ready for it. I knew the fight would happen.

“I was always confident the fight would happen and now it’s happening. I’m so excited.”

Ramirez (44-0, 30KOs)—who signed with Golden Boy Promotions last spring—became the mandatory challenger following a fourth-round stoppage of Dominic Boesel in their May 14 final eliminator. The win was his fifth straight at light heavyweight, all by knockout dating back to his April 2019 arrival after having previously held the WBO super middleweight title.

The win over Boesel came one week after Bivol (20-0, 11KOs)—a Kyrgyzstan-born fighter who lives in Russia—delivered the best performance of his career in a twelve-round, unanimous decision over Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez on May 7 at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

There were initial whispers that Bivol could next face England’s Joshua Buatsi, a 2016 Olympic bronze medalist for Great Britain and current top-rated contender. Those rumors died down and were dismissed outright once the WBA moved forward with the fight between Bivol and the 31-year-old Ramirez, a southpaw from Mazatlan, Mexico.

“This is a great opportunity,” insisted Ramirez, who previously made five defenses of the WBO super middleweight title before moving up. “I was waiting for this and now it’s happening.

“Now is the time to put everything into training, it’s time to fight.”
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But... Why should they allow it?

(I'd be happy with either fight or both at best).
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joshj909 wrote: 13 Jul 2022, 07:55
But... Why should they allow it?

(I'd be happy with either fight or both at best).
both are good, but agree why would they say yes? (other than a bribe... well not a real briibe, just a generouse offer of double commision....).

If ed wanted to lobby this he should of lobbied befor it got ordered. but im not fussed, these are the fights i want for bivol outside of bert.
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Good fight. I'd want to see it. It will all go down to the politics and business.
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joshj909 wrote: 13 Jul 2022, 07:55
But... Why should they allow it?
COVID, contractual obligations, revenue generation and Zurdo’s lack of credibility at 175lbs.

The WBA are shooting themselves in the foot by mandating the Bivol-Zurdo bout.

The WBA are also treating Bivol differently than other super champions that went longer periods without being forced to face a mandatory opponent.

Bivol may choose to vacate due to the WBA’s horrendous stupidity.
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I actually prefer this fight to Buatsi, who's been at the weight for more fights, but resume is actually weaker over-all. Only 16 fights as a pro. Zurdo is 44-0. I would pick Bivol over either by decision, but Zurdo is the tougher challenge.
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Bandog wrote: 13 Jul 2022, 15:21 I actually prefer this fight to Buatsi, who's been at the weight for more fights, but resume is actually weaker over-all. Only 16 fights as a pro. Zurdo is 44-0. I would pick Bivol over either by decision, but Zurdo is the tougher challenge.
Indeed, Zurdo would be a better challenge. :TU:
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Looks Zurdo is going ahead with this.

Why wouldn’t he.
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Gilberto Ramirez Vows To Absorb Bivol's Shine From Shocking Canelo

Former super middleweight champion Gilberto Ramirez believes the circumstances that led to his mandatory shot at Dmitry Bivol have all worked out in his favor.

Ramirez has been chasing Bivol for a crack at the WBA light heavyweight title.

The sanctioning body recently ordered them to fight each other.

Back in May, Bivol shocked the critics when he outboxed Mexican superstar Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez over twelve rounds to retain his strap.

Canelo had the option to exercise an immediate rematch clause, but he ultimately decided to drop back to super middleweight to defend his undisputed crown against Gennadiy Golovkin in a trilogy fight on September 17.

The unexpected victory made Bivol a much bigger name within the sport - and also a bigger name among fans of boxing.

Ramirez had wanted to face Bivol earlier in the year, but the Russian boxer opted to fight Canelo, which was a more lucrative and more high profile opportunity.

Additionally, Ramirez explains that Bivol showed his class as a top tier fighter - which makes their fight a more high-profile encounter for both parties.

Besides the WBA title, Ramirez wants to absorb Bivol's shine from upsetting Canelo.

"The fact that now a lot of people know Bivol is a good thing because when I fight him, I'm going to get everything he has and especially the world title," Ramiez told DAZN.

“I had the fight with Bivol before Canelo, but he said no, he wanted Canelo first, but it ended up being a good thing for me because he beat Canelo, and you see the credibility of the fighter. The credibility that Bivol has, and now when I fight him, you will see the credibility that Zurdo Ramirez has. I want to be world champion again, unify titles and eventually become a legend.”
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I hope it gets made! Bivol fought the best.
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WBA Rejects Appeal For Bivol To Bypass Mandatory Title Defense, Must Face Ramirez Next

Joshua Buatsi and Eddie Hearn will have to settle for the fights already ordered by two separate sanctioning bodies.

Boxing Scene has confirmed that the WBA has rejected a request submitted by Hearn’s Matchroom Boxing to grant an exemption for WBA light heavyweight titlist Dmitry Bivol. The hope was for Bivol to bypass a mandatory title defense against Gilberto ‘Zurdo’ Ramirez and instead face Buatsi, though to no avail per an official ruling made Tuesday—a copy of which was obtained by BS.com.

“The WBA Championships Committee ratified the mandatory fight between light heavyweight champion Dmitry Bivol and his mandatory challenger Gilberto Ramirez,” Carlos Chavez, chairman of the WBA Championship Committee confirmed Wednesday afternoon. “After receiving a request for special permission to fight Joshua Buatsi from the champion and after an extensive study of the same, the WBA denied such permission.

“Bivol and Ramirez will have until August 10 (as originally planned) to reach an agreement or the fight will go to Purse bid.”

The ruling comes as camps for Bivol and Ramirez are up against the 30-day negotiation deadline to reach a deal for their previously ordered title fight. Bivol is represented in talks by Hearn’s Matchroom Boxing and manager Vadim Kornilov, while Golden Boy Promotions and manager David Suh have negotiated on Ramirez’s behalf.

Bivol (20-0, 11KOs) is coming off a career-best win. The 31-year old Kyrgyzstan-born, Russian-based champ thoroughly outboxed undisputed super middleweight champion and then-pound-for-pound king Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez this past May 7 in Las Vegas. The WBA waited out Alvarez’s considering a decision to enforce an immediate rematch clause in the contract; the Mexican superstar instead moved forward with a trilogy clash against Gennadiy Golovkin.

Ramirez (44-0, 30KOs)—a former WBO super middleweight titlist from Mazatlan, Mexico—advanced to the mandatory position following a fourth-round knockout of Dominic Boesel in their final eliminator on May 14 in Ontario, California. The fight was placed one week after Bivol-Alvarez, to keep both fighters on the same schedule.

One week after Ramirez’s win, Buatsi (16-0, 13KOs) furthered his credentials with a twelve-round win over Craig Richards on May 21. The win allowed the unbeaten Brit—who claimed a Bronze medal for Great Britain in the 2016 Rio Olympics—to advance to the number-two position in the WBA rankings. It was just far enough to not disrupt the due mandatory title fight, despite the best efforts by Matchroom to get the WBA to change their mind.

Plans called for a Bivol-Buatsi fight to potentially take place this fall in Abu Dhabi had the request been approved by the WBA. Instead, Buatsi’s team will have to revisit talks with former champ Jean Pascal for an already ordered IBF final eliminator, with that deadline fast approaching later this month.

“The last time a mandatory fight was held in the 175-pound division was in March 2018, so the lapse is expired for the champion and he must face the mandatory challenger as established by the rules,” explained Chavez.

“It should be noted that WBA Rule C.47 dictates that ‘the Committee and the President, in their sole discretion, shall consider the best interests of boxing, the purposes and policies of the Association and such other factors as may be relevant, and shall use their best efforts to balance the competing interests. The WBA is not obliged to grant a request for special permission.”

With the ruling coming as the 30-day negotiation period is set to run out, it seems highly likely that Bivol-Ramirez will head to a purse bid hearing. That announcement is expected to come as early as Thursday morning.

Bivol has held his version of the WBA title since November 2017, having made eight successful defenses. His lone mandatory title fight came in his first defense, a 12th-round stoppage win over Sullivan Barrera in March 2018.

Ramirez is 5-0 since moving up to light heavyweight in 2019. Prior to that, the 31-year-old Mexican southpaw held the WBO super middleweight title dating back to his April 2016 points win over Arthur Abraham.
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This will be a competitive fight.

It's much more interesting than a mismatch like Bivol vs Buatsi. :TU:
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Purse bids are August 21
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Bivol would probably box the schit out of Zurdo. There are levels and Zurdo fought cherrypicked-soft opponents. Thats the reality.

There is a reason why Zurdo was protected at 168 and 175. But now its the best time&opportunity for Zurdo to fight the man-Bivol who beat the man in boxing-Canelo.
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hope this happens, good fight
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a good Ramirez is a daunting fight for anyone, i am think a good ramirez cant be beat
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margaret thatcher wrote: 12 Aug 2022, 17:10 hope this happens, good fight
who u reckon mags i cant see bivol getting his jab of against ramirez he has the size on him and he cant box
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bivol for me, zurdo's bigger but bivols timing, accuracy, movement.....another level

that said, bivol's workrate has been a problem in past fights, he cant let that happen here
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margaret thatcher wrote: 12 Aug 2022, 17:54 bivol for me, zurdo's bigger but bivols timing, accuracy, movement.....another level

that said, bivol's workrate has been a problem in past fights, he cant let that happen here
bivol boxed brilliant against saul no doubt but that fight was very much in his favour, against Craig Richards whos bigger found it tough, and ramirez can be a good fight, you know i like bivol, but this is his toughest fight i think its the first time i think he could lose
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bivol didnt have it tough vs richards at all, he won like 9 rounds and then coasted the last few. that's how he fights. when someone doesnt push him hard he's content to do the minimum

if bivol legitimately had a tough time with richards there's no way he would've beaten alvarez
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