Marquez V Harrison

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 13 Aug 2006, 04:10

Rafael Marquez could beat Harrison.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 13 Aug 2006, 05:27

viciousmaussa wrote:Rafael Marquez could beat Harrison.

If Nadel Hussein could give Scott problems, then I think Rafael should start as favourite vs Scott.

JM Marquez would obliterate him.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 13 Aug 2006, 13:08

Hussein troubled Harrison?

He barely came to fight.

boxerrob2005 · Post by **boxerrob2005** » 13 Aug 2006, 14:29

Hussein had harrison all over the place with uppercuts. i think it was the 10th or 11th round. Marquez beats harrison on points, the way harrison beat mccullough.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 17 Aug 2006, 05:49

Wonder how John handled Marquez though?

Nels · Post by **Nels** » 17 Aug 2006, 10:04

Wonder how John handled Marquez though?

I'd wager how Norwood did: make him lead. When forced to come forward against Salido, Marquez looked unexceptional. There were even one or two minutes in the Medina fight where JMM had to go forward, and all of a sudden looked a tiny bit plodding.

(However -- and I know comparisons are odious, but so am I -- compare relative performances betwixt JMM and Harrison vs Medina).

To be honest, I can't really see Scott Harrison suddenly developing a yen for counter-punching and backing off, which is the way to trap Marquez, because you almost lull him into a false sense of ultra-cautiousness.

Frankly, anyone who can sit Polo on his arse with one solid counter, could take everything Pacman could throw at him (and get off the floor to do it) AND throw a counter right to the body, right uppercut to the head combo off the back foot, is going to slice Harrison into tiny ickle pieces.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Aug 2006, 10:16

Yep, cannot see Harrison suddently turning into a cagey counter puncher fighting off the back foot and trying to pick Marquez off. Scott's only chance to win would be to try and make the fight really ugly from the off, and break a few rules in the hope of rattling Marquez. He may have to risk a DQ to do so.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 17 Aug 2006, 11:25

Max Molyneux wrote:Wonder how John handled Marquez though?

running round the ring getting picked off most of the night.

i think marquez was robbed badly in that fight.

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 17 Aug 2006, 11:48

Harrison's best hope is to jump on Marquez early and try to take him out like Pacquiao nearly did. The longer the fight goes on the worse Scott is going to get beaten, imo. Trouble is, Harrison doesn't have anything like Pac-man's power...

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 17 Aug 2006, 12:03

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Wonder how John handled Marquez though?
running round the ring getting picked off most of the night. i think marquez was robbed badly in that fight.

I had John winning 115-113 (I think) with the points deducted, close fight but I don't think it was a home decision.

117-111 seems dodgy though.

Rocky Balboa · Post by **Rocky Balboa** » 17 Aug 2006, 12:09

IMO, it's highly unlikely Harrison will be facing JMM in his first comeback fight, even though Marquez is now Scott's mandatory.

Then again, the WBO stood by Harrison when they simply could have walked away from him, stripped him of his title etc - they might not be willing to compromise on a Marquez fight?

If, Harrison-Marquez does happen, JMM will win, and win hands down. Scott is very strong, determined fighter, but he's not in the same class as Marquez for ability, skills, defense etc.

If Scott were to beat Marquez though, that would put him in a great position, IMO! He would have the BIG fights then. Not that I'm saying Marquez is not a big fight.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 17 Aug 2006, 12:36

Check out Youtube for highlights of JMM's last fight, he looked great and a lot more aggressive. The Thai he fought was really good and would have beaten a lot of other guys that night.

This is one of those fights I couldn't see Harrison winning in a million years. He doesn't have the punch, the speed, the skills or anything he needs to beat JMM. Marquez has the worst style imaginable for Harrison.

On another note. I look at the way the Marquez brothers fight. They've been taught amazing combo's and skills by Nacho Bernstein. If Amir Khan would hook up with that guy he would learn so much. I think he's Spanish though. JMM punches are so tight and his combos so unique, he looks a million dollars sometimes. He dropped the Thai with an amazing uppercut, he landed a number of them.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 17 Aug 2006, 16:31

lvlarc_uk wrote:
hitman_hatton1 wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Wonder how John handled Marquez though?
running round the ring getting picked off most of the night. i think marquez was robbed badly in that fight.
I had John winning 115-113 (I think) with the points deducted, close fight but I don't think it was a home decision.

117-111 seems dodgy though.

What was John like?

Would be great for Scott to move up to Super Feather to fight Pac though, that would be boss!

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 17 Aug 2006, 17:21

Max Molyneux wrote:
lvlarc_uk wrote:
hitman_hatton1 wrote: running round the ring getting picked off most of the night. i think marquez was robbed badly in that fight.
I had John winning 115-113 (I think) with the points deducted, close fight but I don't think it was a home decision.

117-111 seems dodgy though.
What was John like?

Would be great for Scott to move up to Super Feather to fight Pac though, that would be boss!

john is a boxer/mover.

as i said, i thought marquez won that fight and john was put on the defensive by marquez's quality punch picking.

judging is a debateable thing though and lvlarc obviously prefers negative little runners.

The Hawk · Post by **The Hawk** » 17 Aug 2006, 17:32

I was just talking to Scott tonight, he was training away in my gym weights, running etc. Keeping himself to himself and he was friendly to anyone who did talk to him.

I wished him the best of luck in his training but did not want to start asking him any questions about his career as its not the time nor the place.

I was in the weights area and turned around and 5 feet away there was Scott, I thought I was seeing things at first

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 17 Aug 2006, 17:49

How was he looking, Hawk?

The Hawk · Post by **The Hawk** » 17 Aug 2006, 17:55

stujones wrote:How was he looking, Hawk?

Hi Stu,
He was looking well, training away non stop between weights and the cardio. He did a good long run, full track suit on, plenty of sit ups etc. Seemed to be in a training zone in his mind, but when I spoke to him he was pleasent and seemed in good spirits smiling etc.

I would say most of the people had no idea who he was, couple of other guys spoke to him, but apart from that he was left in peace which is what he needs and is why he's over here.

Must say, it was good to see him training away in the same gym.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 17 Aug 2006, 19:45

Just light weights like?

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 18 Aug 2006, 03:15

Rumors in Mexico say Marquez vs Harrison is on Nov 4th
Either in Los Angeles Staples Center where each fight will split
the purse 50-50 or in Glasgow where Marquez will get 60-40

The Hawk · Post by **The Hawk** » 18 Aug 2006, 03:16

Max Molyneux wrote:Just light weights like?

Yes mate, just light weights from what I saw. If he lifted heavy and bulked up we'll see him in with Jermain Taylor next

He might be a regular there for a while getting his fitness levels up.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 18 Aug 2006, 05:11

The Hawk wrote:
stujones wrote:How was he looking, Hawk?
Hi Stu,
He was looking well, training away non stop between weights and the cardio. He did a good long run, full track suit on, plenty of sit ups etc. Seemed to be in a training zone in his mind, but when I spoke to him he was pleasent and seemed in good spirits smiling etc.

I would say most of the people had no idea who he was, couple of other guys spoke to him, but apart from that he was left in peace which is what he needs and is why he's over here.

Must say, it was good to see him training away in the same gym.

Well, that's excellent news! That's a very good sign that he's already in the gym. One thing about Scott, I don't think anyone can say he's ever skimped in training.

Whilst I am a big fan of Marquez, part of me will be rooting for Scott if they fight, gotta support anyone who seems to be trying to overcome their personal demons, which Scott seems to be.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 18 Aug 2006, 05:39

Marquez schooled John. I had him winning. 8 rounds to 4 is how most ppl have it. Maxboxing's Steve Kim & Doug Fischer had it similar, so did Ringtalk's Cliff Rold.

No fvckig way did John win that fight. Even with the two deductions. it was about as close as the Polo fight.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 18 Aug 2006, 07:59

viciousmaussa wrote:Marquez schooled John. I had him winning. 8 rounds to 4 is how most ppl have it. Maxboxing's Steve Kim & Doug Fischer had it similar, so did Ringtalk's Cliff Rold.

No fvckig way did John win that fight. Even with the two deductions. it was about as close as the Polo fight.

8 rounds to 4, that's 116-112 2 points docked that's 114-112, so a close fight. I don't think most people had it 8-4 John, I remember reading fightnews, 3 of there reporters had it to John, and scottmalon on here had it to John also. Oh and Maxboxing also had Forrest beating Quartey, so I don't know how creditable they are.

In that fight tho' we saw Juan getting countered quite alot, and the deductions were abit harsh anyway. I only seen it once so I'l watch it again this week. He shouldn't of even been there in the first place, 30k!!

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 18 Aug 2006, 08:42

Blue wrote: Rumors in Mexico say Marquez vs Harrison is on Nov 4th
Either in Los Angeles Staples Center where each fight will split
the purse 50-50 or in Glasgow where Marquez will get 60-40

Harrison could have a tune up before that.

Maybe Marquez should come to Glasgow for more money then as he doesn't seem to ever get well paid.

Smit · Post by **Smit** » 18 Aug 2006, 10:30

Max Molyneux wrote:
Blue wrote: Rumors in Mexico say Marquez vs Harrison is on Nov 4th
Either in Los Angeles Staples Center where each fight will split
the purse 50-50 or in Glasgow where Marquez will get 60-40
Harrison could have a tune up before that.

Maybe Marquez should come to Glasgow for more money then as he doesn't seem to ever get well paid.

Well he turned down a good offer for a Pacman rematch didn't he? (I'm sure there was a story on that a while back)