vitali klitschko vs Jack Dempsey

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

i think a 1918-19 dempsey destroys him

[theone]

Klitschko TKO 9.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

Klitschko TKO 9.

[pundit]

i think a 1918-19 dempsey destroys him

So you believe Klitschko would have lost to a good light-heavyweight.

[Collins2000]

i think a 1918-19 dempsey destroys him

how about Dempsey vs Lennox Lewis?

[Seamus]

Since size means so little, why not Dempsey vs O'Neil Bell. And don't hold the fact that Bell hasen't fought any of those fat, lazy, un athletic heavyweights against him.

[sockdolager]

i think a 1918-19 dempsey destroys him

So you believe Klitschko would have lost to a good light-heavyweight.

so you compare Dempsey to a good LHW? You could have at least said great LHW. Most people rate Dempsey high on their HW list.

[theone]

how about Dempsey vs Lennox Lewis?

Lewis ko 2.

[pundit]

i think a 1918-19 dempsey destroys him

So you believe Klitschko would have lost to a good light-heavyweight.

so you compare Dempsey to a good LHW? You could have at least said great LHW. Most people rate Dempsey high on their HW list.

Fine, great LHW.
Fact of the matter remains, today Dempsey would probably have fought at light-heavyweight.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

i think a 1918-19 dempsey destroys him

So you believe Klitschko would have lost to a good light-heavyweight.

light-heavyweight? since when was dempsey a light-heavyweight? dempsey was a big boned 6'1 185-190lb heavyweight who had a build bigger than his weight indicated. dempsey was nowhere near a lightheavweight.

and for ur information.........dempsey was a ATG heavyweight. harry wills was great and would have been dempseys toughest opponent......but dempsey defintley would have knocked him out IMO.


but i do believe dempsey destroys a mediocre unproven overated superheavyweight(vitali)

[pundit]

i think a 1918-19 dempsey destroys him

So you believe Klitschko would have lost to a good light-heavyweight.

light-heavyweight? since when was dempsey a light-heavyweight? dempsey was a big boned 6'1 185-190lb heavyweight who had a build bigger than his weight indicated. dempsey was nowhere near a lightheavweight.


but i do believe dempsey destroys a mediocre unproven overated superheavyweight

With today's rules - previous-day weight-in - Dempsey could have made 175 with relative ease.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

So you believe Klitschko would have lost to a good light-heavyweight.

light-heavyweight? since when was dempsey a light-heavyweight? dempsey was a big boned 6'1 185-190lb heavyweight who had a build bigger than his weight indicated. dempsey was nowhere near a lightheavweight.


but i do believe dempsey destroys a mediocre unproven overated superheavyweight

With today's rules - previous-day weight-in - Dempsey could have made 175 with relative ease.

no he couldnt. dempsey had the body of a heavyweight....he had the body of a man much bigger than 185-190lb. dempsey was really pretty much dried out by 185lb.......he couldnt go any lower without becoming horribly weight drained. dempsey build and bone structure was too big to make 175lb.


dempsey would be around 210-215lb if he fought today with modern technolgoy, modern benefits supplements, weight training, nutrition.




bottom line vitali is a slow uncoordinated unproven big oaf who would end up being a big human punching bag to dempsey. dempsey would take vitali apart. demsey was at his best against the big men. vitali did not have the firepower of lennox nor did he have the boxing skills of riddick bowe. vitali is nowhere near a great fighter. hes very unproven.


vitali kept his left low, stood straight up, and he pawed with his jab. hes just asking for a right hand and dempsey had a helluva right hand.


vitali would be unable to hit dempsey in his awesome crouch bobing and weaving defense. dempsey would bob and weave as he came in then attack vitalis body and head with vicious combinations



dempsey TKO 4 vitali- similiar to willard fight

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

i think a 1918-19 dempsey destroys him

how about Dempsey vs Lennox Lewis?

Dempsey KO 7 lennox lewis

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wxHY3p9DiQ

check out dempseys awesome defense and excellent footwork and footspeed. hes sparring with 6'7 245lb big bill tate who was a good big man.


watch how tate jabs and dempsey easily avoids it by using his bob and weave defense to duck out of harms way. dempsey had a long 77" reach and he used those long arms to fire combinations from long distance at the giants he faced during his career. vitali will paw with his jab and dempsey will easily avoid it like he did in this sequence.


vitali klitschko was made for jack dempsey.....it would be a slaughter

[theone]

ut i do believe dempsey destroys a mediocre unproven overated superheavyweight(vitali)

I can understand someone picking Dempsey to defeat Vitali since the Dempseys legend has made him one of the most overrated fighters ever.
But to truly believe Dempsey would destroy him boggles the mind.
Dempsey liked to feast on the superheavies of his day, who were basically only in the ring because of their size.
Vitali would be Dempseys nightmare; a superheavyweight stronger and more athletic than all the others who could actually fight.
Vitalis size, athleticism and skill would be too much for Dempsey to handle. Dempsey style would actually make it easier for Vitali since he wouldnt have to chase him around the ring.

[theone]

check out dempseys awesome defense and excellent footwork and footspeed. hes sparring with 6'7 245lb big bill tate who was a good big man.

Big Bill looks like if he held back much more he'd be seated at ringside.

[dmt]

U are a fornicating dempsey hater pundit

DEMPSEY BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF VITALY U LOSER, SHUT THE fornicate UP.

[sockdolager]

So you believe Klitschko would have lost to a good light-heavyweight.

so you compare Dempsey to a good LHW? You could have at least said great LHW. Most people rate Dempsey high on their HW list.

Fine, great LHW.
Fact of the matter remains, today Dempsey would probably have fought at light-heavyweight.

More than likely. but he was a thick man, with the training now he could be a 210-215 guy.

[HomicideHenry]

Being a 'giant killer' was Dempsey's forte. Let's face facts, most big men who fight are not great infighters, they rely on their reach mostly. Only a big man with speed and can use lateral foot movements could have kept Dempsey off, guys like Larry Holmes and Muhammad Ali.

Another fact is this, Dempsey was a rather small HW, at least by today's standards, in 1920 and before 176 and up was a HW---but even when he faced the big men of his time, Dempsey with his bobbing and weaving, as well as his own size---was actually to his advantage.

What most people seem to forget is that a much taller man has to punch downward on a smaller opponent, and if that opponents bobs and weaves that makes him a smaller target, and even if the bigger man could land a punch it wouldn't be at full power---punching down takes an edge off power, rather than punch at shoulder height.

A guy like Vitali Klitschko fights like a robot, mechanical and slow, alot of power yes, but no real defense or skills---Klitschko has a good chin, and heart as well. BUT you can't be a stationary target with Jack Dempsey, and Klitschko never could really fight backing up either.

Dempsey threw punches in combinations so fast that it was hard to ever tell what was the knock out blow, he rarely took a step back and was fast on his hands and feet. The man was viscous in every sense of the word.

Klitschko just seems to hold out that left hand, like Max Baer used to do, and wait to let loose with his right hand, but rarely have I ever seen him throw combinations alot.

I'd easily chose Jack Dempsey over Vitali Klitschko by KO in at least 6 rounds.

As far as Jack Dempsey vs Lennox Lewis, I think it can be argued that if Dempsey fought Lennox that the Brit would have been his best, if not top five best opponent(s) ever. Lewis has that 85" reach, has some good speed, mixes it up some, arguably the best big HW since Holmes.

But then again, Lewis' weakness was infighting, and like most big men, used his reach to his best advantage---his jab was his primary weapon of choice. Lewis has rarely been able to show to me, anyways, that he had the ability to stand toe to toe with a dangerous puncher---when a fighter was lucky enough to get passed that telephone pole jab of his Lewis was in uncharted territory and looked often lost as what to do.

If Jack Dempsey could get passed the reach, and not stop throwing bombs in rapid fire succession, Lewis I don't believe would be able to fend off Dempsey---when Lewis fought Tyson (who fought like Dempsey) in the first round (which really was the only round in which Tyson did anything) Tyson got passed Lewis' jab and rocked Lewis on a number of occassions.

Now if an over-the-hill Tyson, a rather small HW at 5'10" and 220 pounds, with not even the head movement abilities of Dempsey could shake up Lewis, and I still say to this day had Tyson stayed aggressive after that first round he would have beat Lewis, then Jack Dempsey, a prime Dempsey, would have tore up Lennox Lewis.

[theone]

empsey would be around 210-215lb if he fought today with modern technolgoy, modern benefits supplements, weight training, nutrition.

So make up your mind Brockton. Is it the 1918-1919 Dempsey we're talking about or a bigger more modern version?

I thinks its harder to speculate how well a modern Dempsey would have done. Gaining weight even when well regulated doesnt always work out. It might have totally changed him as a fighter. But lets say Dempsey retains his speed, ferocity, etc, at 215-220pds, I see him defeating Vitali, but no where near as easy as you suggest.
However, the 1918-19 Dempsey I believe gets ko'd after a very spirited fight.

[The Great John L]

...and I still say to this day had Tyson stayed aggressive after that first round he would have beat Lewis...

The only problem with that theory is that it's really hard to stay aggressive when someone is beating the piss out of you as you move forward. About the only world class HW in the past half century I can think of that was capable of that was Frazier. Certainly not Tyson.

[The Great John L]

Vitalis size, athleticism and skill would be too much for Dempsey to handle. Dempsey style would actually make it easier for Vitali since he wouldnt have to chase him around the ring.

Skill and athleticism? You must be referring to a different Vitali.

Just watch the last few rounds of VKs KO loss to Byrd, after Byrd realized he would have to pressure the big stiff to have any chance of winning. VK didn't seem to like the pressure the light hitting Byrd applied, so it's hard to imagine he would have enjoyed fighting the swarming, hard punching Dempsey. Dempsy would have pounded the defensive challenged VK until VK retired on his stool after about the 5th round with an injured shoulder -- among other injuries.

Lewis was an entirely different matter. He actually was athletic and skilled. Had a pretty strong will to win as well.

[The Great John L]

I thinks its harder to speculate how well a modern Dempsey would have done. Gaining weight even when well regulated doesnt always work out. It might have totally changed him as a fighter. But lets say Dempsey retains his speed, ferocity, etc, at 215-220pds, I see him defeating Vitali, but no where near as easy as you suggest.
However, the 1918-19 Dempsey I believe gets ko'd after a very spirited fight.

I agree. Dempsey adding weight probably would have slowed him down and ruined his stamina. He'd probably be exhausted after 2-3 rounds of hard fighting. In other words, he'd fit right in with the "modern" HWs and their great skill and conditioning.

[HomicideHenry]

The only problem with that theory is that it's really hard to stay aggressive when someone is beating the piss out of you as you move forward. About the only world class HW in the past half century I can think of that was capable of that was Frazier. Certainly not Tyson.

Yea but Lewis wasn't fighting a prime Tyson either, or even a Tyson who had trained greatly either---I bought that PPV when it happened, Tyson after that first round seemed to all but hold back, he could have uploaded more punches, but he was not in condition---but even an over the hill, untrained, out of condition Tyson was able to shake up Lewis bad in that first round.

But we are talking primes, and a prime Dempsey, let alone Tyson, would defeat Lewis, despite his weight and size---if he could get passed that reach. Once Dempsey got passed those giant HW's reaches that he fought in his time, he never let up on them, so there is no question that if Dempsey got passed the reach, he would get Lewis.

[pundit]

There is no doubt in my mind that Dempsey ranks much higher as an ATG than Vitali. Even though I see Dempsey more critical than most I have him solidly in the top 15. And although I have a higher opinion of Vitali than most, he barely enters my top 40 AT.

The head-to-head comparison, however, is almost impossibly complicated by the size and weight development of heavyweights between 1920 and today. There were no Vitali's around in the 1920s (even Jess Willard would have been dwarfed by Vitali, and was far from Vitali's athleticism)). And the Dempsey-type heavyweights have long died out from the heavyweight scene.

Btw, sure Dempsey could have bulked up to 210 with today's methods, but he could also have drained himself to 175 at a previous-day weight-in.