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In This Corner, Superman!

George Reeves played the part of Superman in the television series from 1951 through 1958. Originally, the show was aimed at an adult audience ,but it soon became apparent that most of the viewers were the kiddies following in the footsteps of their purchasing power of the Superman action comic book. I'll stay with the focus on Reeves and his flirtations with the boxing world and Hollywood's underworld.

A bit player in movies, he got his big break taking on the role of Superman in television. At first reluctant to get involved because he thought television was a weak sister to the movies, ,Reeves agreed. While doing the series Reeves began an affair with MGM' s troubleshooter Eddie Mannix's wife,Toni Mannix,who was eight years his senior.Eddie Mannix was not only a tough guy but had connections with the mob and the local authorities to resolve any difficulties that would land on Metro's doorstep. But when Reeves began messing with Mannix's wife ,Eddie had already gone through a series of strokes and had lost what could say was his clout.But he wasn't going to take it in a wheelchair.

Reeves was sort of a goldbrick and a gigolo.He also was talked about as a dude that could handle himself pretty well with his fists. He said,like so many men of that day,that he was no stranger to the boxing gym though there is no record of him doing any fighting,amateur or pro. For years he paid(or it was probably Mannix's wife)to have private lessons working out with the weights with Gene LeBell,Aileen Eaton's son.

In the beginning Reeves was in pretty good shape. With that lantern jaw of his on his over six foot tall frame there was no better Superman in the annals of Hollywood film making. But as the years grinded on Reeves took to the bottle and became dissatisfied "being" Superman.He started getting flabby so they had to give him a corset to put around his waist to hide his spare tire.

In the meantime Eddie Mannix, though incapacitated, was plenty sore at Reeves for flying off with his wife.But like I said,Reeves was a skirt chaser, and lost interest in Toni Mannix.While in New York he met a society chick named Leonore Lemmon.They became the instant talk of the town.That pissed off Toni Mannix not to mention her crippled husband.She threatened to expose Reeves as a closet homosexual and ruin his career. But Reeves' career was already heading for a crash landing. He was hitting the bottle pretty hard and he wanted to move on to something besides dressing up in a cape and being held up by wires.But the die was cast.He couldn't shake his Suprerman image.

The night of his death there was a party at his home in LA. The next day he was to fight Archie Moore,who still laid claim to a segment of the Light Heavyweight crown,in an exhibition match to raise money for a charity.The bout never came off.Reeves got drunk that night,went upstairs to his bedroom, a gunshot was heard.Reeves was dead.There was speculation about what happened.Suicide?An accident? Or was it the result of Eddie Mannix making a phone call to one of his underworld connections?


I would have sure liked to have seen Superman fighting Archie Moore.My money on The Mongoose. :TU:


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Once The Poor Man's Out

They used to refer to boxing as "The Poor Man's Out." I guess you could still say that but it ain't that way anymore.For a kid that wants to get out of the rut and make some fast money without having to wake up at dawn and run 10 miles and then go to the gym and do all those exercises and spar with guys who are trying to hit him in the head,he joins a gang and becomes a drug dealer.Being a drug dealer takes a lot of balls and stupidity. The standard initiation to get in usually has to do with killing somebody.Most of these young aspirants either get killed themselves or if they're lucky they do a life sentence in the pen.Since I think I know so much about Tijuana I'll focus there.

I still think it's true:Mexico has more fighters than anyplace in the world.It probably also has more drug dealers . I mean all the drugs that originate in transport from Central and South America have to get through Mexico.Most of the dope then gets smuggled across the border. They used to talk about the money gangsters like Capone and Gotti raked in.Compared to what the dope dealers make they could start their own country.But instead of doing that they BUY their own country

Tijuana is the murder capital of the world.Per capita of 100 thousand people, in TJ each year around 170 people wind up dead in the streets.That figure surpasses more familiar burgs like Chicago,Detroit,Los Angeles,Caracas,and Mexico City. Last year in Tijuana 2300 hundred corpses made it to the funeral parlors.It didn't used to be that way.

I remember when the United States went through their culture change in the 60's.Drugs played a big part of it, especially with the youth.Mexico was on pins and needles thinking that their kids would follow suit. They copy everything the U.s. does.They copied Elvis.And now came marijuana and cocain,LSD,and heroin. Back then if you had long hair and crossed into Tijuana the cops would pull you over, take you to a barber shop to get a haircut, and then plant marijuana in your car and arrest you.

But it didn't take long for the "poor man" in Mexico size things up and get into the business of being a drug dealer. Every thing dreams are made of goes through that border."Meth and fetanyl are now the two biggies along with heroin.

So who wants to go to the gym and get hit in the head for 20 bucks fighting in one of those seedy bars around town?It used to be there was a boxing gym in every colonia in Tijuana. There still are a lot of gyms but they're empty shells. No money to be made either way. The owner has to charge a fee that's too high. The cards in TJ don't pay the fighters nothing.Inflation is running around 8 percent a month like here yet minimum wage is something like 8 dollars a day. Why not go out and shoot somebody starting out and make a fast couple of hundred?

There's probably more money around Tijuana than anywhere in Mexico ,but to go through the place you'd think you were on the other side of the world. In my wife's hometown in Mexico it's really the pits.And that place is typical of all the other little towns. I don't know of any kid in my wife's hometown that's talking about being the next Canelo Alvarez.But the next Chapo?

Every time me and the wife go down to Jiquilpan we hear about some kid that got involved with the narcos and they found him with his head chopped off in a ditch.Or someone got yanked off the street and now the family gets a phone call and they have to come up with money if they want to see their loved one alive again.Some of these unfortunate folk are related to us.

Fighting may have been "The Poor Man's Out" once but this s--t is the "Poor Man's Out Of Luck." :twisted:

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Gentleman's Non Agreement

When Jackie Gleason was explaining to Rocky Marciano about how Tony Galento met him outside in the alley and did a tap dance on his face,Gleason said that that incident was an exception.
Fighters are pretty nice guys,"commented Jackie."The nicest guys I've ever met.I understand when they get inside the ring they want to tear each other's heads off,but outside the ring they're real gentlemen."
While Gleason was going through his explanation Marciano had this Cheshire Cat grin on his face.

I get what Jackie was saying about fighters being gentlemen but that's because they're kind of awkward in public,espoecially when it comes to talking to a crowd or in front of a camera.. Maybe they think they didn't have enough schooling to be just an adequate public speaker.They don't know a lot of big words maybe.So they keep quiet or if pressed give a lot of short answers.

You hear stories about fighters having a few belts and then they start opening up belting everyone in the room..The chip starts growing on their shoulders.But that happens with just about anybody when they start bending their elbow.No,if you push a fighter's right buttons he can get back into the "ring" in a hurry.

Two of Sid Flharety's boys,Denny Moyer and Ronnie Wilson, were two of the nicest guys you ever met in person. Yeah,they liked to go out and get drunk and hurrah the town but I'd see those two get wild and wooly when they were sober. One thing I've noticed about fighters is they don't like a kidder. A guy that acts like a clown and wants everybody to know it.

Ronnie wilson was having a party over at his place when this guy who had too much to drink started needling Wilson about something .Ronnie had just opened his first beer.Just like that Wilson grabbed him by the collar and threw him down the stairs.I saw Moyer slap one of his sparring partners because the guy didn't want to wear his headgear because he said he had a headache and didn't want Denny to hit him in the head..After getting rapped in the mouth the guy put on the headgear.Burke Emery was behind the bar one day in his joint,Champs, when some salesman walked in and started a conversation with Burke.I didn't catch what he said to Burke but the the next thing you saw was Burke delivering a left hook to this guy's jaw.

Fighters, when sober, are like dormant volcanos. But you say something that rubs them the wrong way and they won't touch gloves before you know what hit 'you.


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What Happened In The Past Stays There

All the major sports have been around now for some time.Boxing, for example, when Corbett put on those leather gloves was well over a hundred years ago.When he beat The Great John L. ,Gentleman Jim became an instant legend. He acted on the stage and everywhere he went he drew a big crowd. Baseball,football,basketball-those three in their infancies produced idols that were still revered after they cleaned out their lockers.

Rocky Marciano,after retiring,would speak at banquets and demand and get his standard 1500 dollar cash fee in advance.No advance,no speaky.Rocky was never turned down.Jack Dempsey had his restaurant on Broadway in The Apple and people didn't go their to sample the shrimp cocktails. They wanted to see The Manassa Mauler,tell him how great he was,and getting him to sign the menu.Me and the wife ran into Joe Louis on the steps of Caesars Palace.He was all decked out in western attire sporting a big Stetson on his head.The fans were lined up to the parking lot to say "howdy" to The brown Bomber,me included.Joe told me my wife was "pretty" and asked me who I thought was the best fighter out there."Joe Louis",I countered.

But it's different today. People don't care that much about those sports heroes of yesteryear. Today,it's whoever is making the lead story on ESPN or has the largest Facebook account.Tom Brady,LeBron,Juan Soto (who just inked a 500 million deal with the Padres);they're hot.But who knows what's in store tomorrow,or 20,30 years from now?

I saw George Foreman once hawking his barbeques in the Costco parking lot a few years ago. He was wearing a big white apron and had on one of those chef's hats.All the people around him were a bunch of old biddies wanting to buy one his barbeques. There was no press on hand , not to mention any fans of boxing.

Maybe Andy Warhol got it right when he said everybody eventually gets their 15 minutes of fame.I go to these boxing conventions up in LA;more and more disoriented fighters,broken down and broke.Rick Farris is about the only guy left that can still keep going with his event,The West Coast Boxing Hall Of Fame.(I hope he can put it together this year)But then again like Andy Warhol said,"You only have 15 minutes."Then they forget about you.


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FYI - Johnny Famechon former world featherweight champion from the late 60's, passed away recently aged 77. RIP John, a champion fighter and an even better person

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bollocks wrote: 04 Aug 2022, 14:18 FYI - Johnny Famechon former world featherweight champion from the late 60's, passed away recently aged 77. RIP John, a champion fighter and an even better person

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Thanks for posting that. I remember when beat Fighting Harada to win the championship.Both were great fighters. Like I said in my post above yours, it's sad that great athletes of the past are either quickly forgotten or never known.

The other day Bill Russell ,who led the Boston Celtics to 9 championships in 11 years, passed away.He got some mention on ESPN but that was about it.I'll bet the farm ESPN doesn't have anything to say about Johnny Famechon. :verysad:
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dagosd2000 wrote: 04 Aug 2022, 14:33
bollocks wrote: 04 Aug 2022, 14:18 FYI - Johnny Famechon former world featherweight champion from the late 60's, passed away recently aged 77. RIP John, a champion fighter and an even better person

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Thanks for posting that. I remember when beat Fighting Harada to win the championship.Both were great fighters. Like I said in my post above yours, it's sad that great athletes of the past are either quickly forgotten or never known.

The other day Bill Russell ,who led the Boston Celtics to 9 championships in 11 years, passed away.He got some mention on ESPN but that was about it.I'll bet the farm ESPN doesn't have anything to say about Johnny Famechon. :verysad:
Oddly enough just yesterday when driving along I was listening to the radio and they mentioned Bill Russell :o Not being a big basketbal fan I didn't know who he was

In the late 60's early 70's Johnny Famechon, Lionel Rose and Fighting Harada were walking along together in Sydney (Harada made several trips to Australia to catch up with our boys) when someone made a racist comment to Lionel. He ignored it and so did Johnny. Harada barely knew a word of English but knew what had happpened and he let the guy have a well earned one :box:

p s Johnny was knocked down by a car about 30 years ago. He was in a coma for 10 days and sufferd a major stroke and became brain damaged. Despite all of this he managed to walk again after being told he wouldn't, and he retained his great sense of humour to the end
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On a golf course somewhere

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bollocks wrote: 04 Aug 2022, 15:33 On a golf course somewhere

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Chris Smith,the transplanted Brit who now lives in LA and is the author of the excellent bio "Eder Jofre-Brazil's First World Champion,told me in researching his book he relied on stories provided by Fighting Harada regarding his fights with Jofre. Chris said he wanted to write a book about Harada's life but that Harada is sinking quickly into the depths of dementia.Paranoid thoughts of suicide are a major concern.
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The Man Who Lost To The Man Who Beat Ezzard Charles

I used to work out with the weights down at the beach in garage that was converted into a gym in back of an alley. Up front was a health food store owned by a fella' named Vic Gerardi. He was from the Bronx and he was into being healthy and taking vitamins.He was married and Catholic and had a slew of kids. Even though he kept his body pure with wheat germ oil and drinking raw milk he tried to bang every girl in a bikini at the beach. i guess that has nothing to do with being "pure" morally but maybe all that health food just made him horny,or maybe it was because his dago blood was always running hot.

It was a lot of fun working out in that old wooden gym that was in back of the store in the alley. There weren't many members but the few that trained there were pretty serious and each one was a character.One guy I remember was named Bill.He was a Hell's Angel and they were beginning to infiltrate the area. Ocean Beach was the name of the town and everybody that grew up there in some way took part in the ocean:swimming,body surfing,board surfing;skin diving ,fishing;but the Hell's Angels were just the opposite.They never went in the water,I think they were allergic to it.They never took baths.They didn't even take their shirts off when the sun was beating down.

Anyway I got to know Bill working out in that gym.He'd park his Harley in the alley and then start working out i his greasy Levis.His hair was a dirty blond that hung shoulder length.HIs face showed signs of being pitted.His teeth were tobacco stained. His face was a bit sallow.His eyes, a steel blue, looked through you when he talked but that wasn't often.HIs frame was sinewy and he had a tattoo of a skull and crossbones on his forearm. I guess if you had to draw a picture of a biker dude Bob would have been a good model.

We got along all right. Like I said he didn't talk much. He wasn't into small talk.He had this voice that was deeper than than what he looked like. One day,I don't know how it began,Bill told me he had done some fighting in Idaho.That's were he was from.He said he fought George Logan.He said he dropped a decision to him.Now that rang a bell with me because I knew that George Logan had once beaten Ezzard Charles.It was at the tail end of Charles' career. He was broke and needed the money.He was also starting to show signs of the Lou Gehrig disease that finally got him. He wasn't winning anymore let alone being a contender. George Logan had knocked out Charles in a ring at the county fairgrounds in Boise.

I don't know if Bill knew any of that stuff about Ezzard Charles.. Like I said he didn't talk much and I didn't feel like giving him a history lesson.


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dagosd2000 wrote: 04 Aug 2022, 15:46
bollocks wrote: 04 Aug 2022, 15:33 On a golf course somewhere

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Chris Smith,the transplanted Brit who now lives in LA and is the author of the excellent bio "Eder Jofre-Brazil's First World Champion,told me in researching his book he relied on stories provided by Fighting Harada regarding his fights with Jofre. Chris said he wanted to write a book about Harada's life but that Harada is sinking quickly into the depths of dementia.Paranoid thoughts of suicide are a major concern.
That's truly terrible. We view these warriors at the peak of their powers, yet often we forget they're only human after all

Unfortunately Lionel ended up broke due to his generous nature of helping anyone out with money whenever they asked. He turned to drink for quite a while but from what I know he'd given it up by the time he died, and had a peaceful end. I still can't believe an estimated crowd of 250,000 turned up to welcome him home after winning the title in 1969. Not bad for a shy scrawny kid that grew up living in a tin shed. He's still a national hero down here and always will be :TU:
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That's truly terrible. We view these warriors at the peak of their powers, yet often we forget they're only human after all

Unfortunately Lionel ended up broke due to his generous nature of helping anyone out with money whenever they asked. He turned to drink for quite a while but from what I know he'd given it up by the time he died, and had a peaceful end. I still can't believe an estimated crowd of 250,000 turned up to welcome him home after winning the title in 1969. Not bad for a shy scrawny kid that grew up living in a tin shed. He's still a national hero down here and always will be :TU:
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I saw Rose defend his title at the LA Forum against Chucho Castillo.I'd say the full crowd of around 17 thousansd was probaly 90 percent Mexican.The fight was interesting in the point that Rose landed the cleaner punches however when he did the crowd never responded.However, when Castillo threw anything ,even it it missed, the crowd went wild.I was scoring the fight as it went along and had Rose winning after 15 by a few rounds.The judges saw it that way too. But the crowd didn't at all and a riot broke out.They were throwing chairs,cherry bombs,people,and even set fire to some of the cars outside. Funny thing was,I don't think those aficianados were as pissed off as just wanting to have a good time. :lol:
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dagosd2000 wrote: 05 Aug 2022, 19:18 That's truly terrible. We view these warriors at the peak of their powers, yet often we forget they're only human after all

Unfortunately Lionel ended up broke due to his generous nature of helping anyone out with money whenever they asked. He turned to drink for quite a while but from what I know he'd given it up by the time he died, and had a peaceful end. I still can't believe an estimated crowd of 250,000 turned up to welcome him home after winning the title in 1969. Not bad for a shy scrawny kid that grew up living in a tin shed. He's still a national hero down here and always will be :TU:
I saw Rose defend his title at the LA Forum against Chucho Castillo.I'd say the full crowd of around 17 thousansd was probaly 90 percent Mexican.The fight was interesting in the point that Rose landed the cleaner punches however when he did the crowd never responded.However, when Castillo threw anything ,even it it missed, the crowd went wild.I was scoring the fight as it went along and had Rose winning after 15 by a few rounds.The judges saw it that way too. But the crowd didn't at all and a riot broke out.They were throwing chairs,cherry bombs,people,and even set fire to some of the cars outside. Funny thing was,I don't think those aficianados were as pissed off as just wanting to have a good time. :lol:
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Not This Time

I knew that Ray Leonard wasn't going to beat Terry Norris after a layoff from his last fight with Duran. Leonard got away with one with Hagler after a layoff but by then Marvelous wasn't so marvelous anymore.I had watched Norris train at Joe Soyatovich's camp in the foothills of San Diego and at Murphy's Gym in downtown San Diego.He was very sharp.He was peaking as a fighter.

One of his chief sparring partners was Gilbert Baptist.I had worked with him when I was teaching school at Juvenile Hall. Baptist was a probation officer. Then when I switched schools to Point Loma High I bumped into Gilbert again. He was still with probation and was keeping tabs on students at the school that were under his supervision.

Baptist and Norris were no strangers to each other.They had fought each other twice before,Terry winning two decision.The last one was fought at the El Cortez Hotel in downtown San Diego.It was voted "Fight Of The Year" by the San Diego scribes.Gilbert would fill me in when he was going to work out with Norris.

Norris won easily from Sugar Ray.He knew early that he had him,I thought if Terry had pressed him more he could have got the KO. Leonard would never be his old self again.He would just get older as time went on.

It was after Norris' win over Leonard that I thought he'd be on top for awhile.Then there was the Simon Brown fight.Then there were the two DQ's with Santana.Things weren't right.Terry lost his last three fights. I thought of the time when he fought Leonard.Now it was Terry's turn to take a beating.

When I was going to the Helping hands Of God Church in Southeast San Diego, James "The Heat" Kinchen would tell me that Norris would call him up on the phone.At first he thought that Terry was drunk.But it was the dementia that had caught up with him.

Looking back,Leonard knew when to get out.He made his money and he's OK. Some say he wasn't that great because he didn't fight enough.Well,how many fights did his critics ever have?


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Playing With Pain

The way things are going today with sports(and I'll stick with baseball,basketball,and football)you're lucky if you see an athlete play in 60 percent of his games. I've never seen guys get injured so much and not putting on their uniforms.Most of these injuries are what they call "soft tissue".I understand a broken bone.But most of these players are sitting the bench with sprains and bruises.Are they shamming?You can't tell me that some of them are milking it for everything they can get. Adding to the conundrum is that some of these guys don't dress because they need to" take a rest." When I think of what they're getting paid, I'll be frank with you,I don't watch it anymore.

How about boxing?I don't see this non participation like in those other sports Granted ,some of these fighters aren't visible like they should be but that's because they've been frozen out by the promoters. They want to fight.but the promoters jerk them around. This Bud Crawford is a one of the few classy fighters out there but he can't get a decent match to save his life. Him and Spence should have had a fight a long time ago. It reminds me of how Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather were separated from each other far too long.When they finally got in the ring both were a shade past their primes. But the delay wasn't caused by some soft tissue bruise.

The majority of fighters fight too long. They have physical issues and shouldn't be fighting anymore. But they don't take themselves out of the ring.Most keep going because they need the money.Finally,at the end they're shot to the point that they have permanent health problems.A pulled hamstring will go away. Brain damage doesn't.

But i seldom watch boxing anymore either. I like to watch Canelo and Crawford and a few others. But then I think about all the punishment they take.And they're the best ones of a large multitude.. Will they need a caretaker to tend to them after they retire? Will they recognize their families?

When a fighter injures another fighter in the ring, like cutting his eye, the name of the game is to go after that eye.Open it up and make it bleed even more.If he loses the eye it was an accident.If a fighter knocks his opponent down and has him groggy he cuts loose with everything he has.He wants to hurt him even more,If he drops over from a blood clot it was an accident.Part of the risks.Right?

If LeBron James turns an ankle you can bet you won't see him back on the court for two weeks if you're lucky. How about this guy on the Clippers.Leonard?He didn't play all season.He was recovering from a partial tear of his ACL that was operated on last year. I'm glad I didn't have to eat his 176 million dollar contract. :lol:



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Like Fleas On A Dog

You want to get a lot of replies on your post(I guess you can throw in views too?) If you start off with something like"Who was the best?,you'll get a good measure of a lot of takes.But if you ae hunting for bigger game,just lead off with something like "Who was the worst?"

In this day of tearing everything down to find the skeletons in the everybody's closets just ask "Who was the worst?"Every Caspar Milktoast who's got an ego the size of a walnut and an inferiority complex with the dimensions of the Empire State Building will post a list of not just the "worst" but supply a tome of names that need to be shown to the universe as being fakes and frauds.The contributors are like fleas on a dog.

Of course these critics are just as reputable as the pundits that spew their pearls of wisdom on prime time like ESPN. Their opinions are like assholes-everybody's got one.What they have to say doesn't add up to a hill of beans. They think their words are scripture, but all it is is a voice to channel their frustrations.

Now if someone was to ask me "Who was the worst -Hitler or Stalin? I could understand you're talking about two assholes.But who doesn't belong in the Hall Of Fame? Gee,I bet these fellas' who got voted in by others are now supposed to feel devastated because some dude has all this evidence that they are unworthy of the honor.

But like I said, this epidemic of finding fault has become the National Pastime. But hold on. I find fault with the people who find fault. I guess I belong in the club too. :lol:

Hey.here's a good one."What saint doesn't deserve his halo?"


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Doppelganger

So the real life Rocky Graziano got kicked out of the Army for hitting his 1st sergeant in the mouth and going AWOL,but i found evidence that that ain't what happened.

Rocky Graziano was his fighting name.His real moniker was Rocco Barbella.If you was ever hooked on the Phil Silvers Show in the 1950's you know what I'm getting at. Silvers played the part of Sergeant Ernie Bilko who was in charge of the moter pool platoon at Fort Baxter located in the middle of the U.S in the state of ,Kansas. The show was a riot.It won every Emmy for a comedy series in 1955.It was the number one show on TV that year.

Well, one of Bilko's corporals of the barracks was a soldier whose name was Rocco Barbella.The role was played by Harvey Lembeck.So there you have it. Rocky Graziano stayed in the Army at Fort Baxter,Kansas.

All kidding aside. The Phil Silvers Show was filmed in New York City at the old Dupont studios..Nat Hiken,the creator of the series ,was a big fan of boxing. He chose Rocky Graziano's birth name,Rocco Barbella, to play the part of one of Bilko's NCOs.Also if you paid attention there WAS a real life fighter in Bilko's platoon: the former middleweight contender,Walter Cartier ,who was Pvt. Claude Dillingham on the show. Cartier was a pretty good middleweight during his day but he couldn't get by Kid Gavilan.Charley Goldman trained him.

Rocco Barbella aka Rocky Graziano.
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One of the best documentaries about fighting,The Day Of The Fight.Directed and produced by Stanley Kubrick.Depicts the lead up on the day of Walter Cartier's fight with Bobby James in Newark.Great film noir piece of history. :TU:
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This Kubrick piece is simply outstanding, watching this made my day - many thanks!
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The Black Angels

My granddaughter's husband picked me and the wife up at Tijuana's airport today.We spent five days in Mexico City.It was to take break and get a change of scenery.Also, it was my wife's birthday yesterday and we went out to dinner with her niece and her husband.We ate in the hotel where we were staying,The Hyatt Regency, in the swank area of Polanco. We had a good time.The food could have been better but that would have meant we'd have eaten street food.I think everyone wished we had but then again we wanted to act like we had some class. When the check arrived I reached first.

We we got our luggage at the Tijuana airport we walked outside to wait for my granddaughter's husband who was driving my car.As we waited outside about 20 soldiers dressed in military fatigues double timed it past us carrying M 16's.
"What the hell was that all about ?"I turned to my wife.
My granddaughter's husband,Jaime, finally pulled up and popped open the trunk so we could put our luggage away.I got in the front seat,my wife in the back.
"Did you hear what happened in TJ yesterday?"asked Jaime.
"No,what?"
"They got one of the top cartel guys in Rosarito and he's locked up in jail.Now his guys are threatening Tijuana including Mexicali,Rosarito,and Ensenada. They're beating up people ,burning cars,and looting stores and businesses."
"It's the first I've heard of it."
"They're especially targeting Americans."
"Is that so?"
"A lot of bars and restaurants didn't open today.Cab drivers and busses shut down."
"I notice that the streets are empty,"I said as he drove me to his house in Canon Jhonson,a poorer area of the city.
"The mayor is telling Amerivcans in TJ to lock down,"said Jaime.
"Yeah,but I got to get back across the boarder."
"They cancelled my Goddaughter's 15 year old yesterday."
"But I got to get back home,"I said.
There's even trouble in Guadalajara."
"That's who's probably behind it.The cartel there wants to take over here."
"Who knows," said Jaime."I don't keep up with that stuff."
"Me neither,"I said."You just have to learn to live with it.It's not worth talking about really."
"You're right about that,"said Jaime.

Well, Jaime left me and the wife with my car and we headed back to the border. I didn't stop for any stop signs or lights but I didn't want to speed either.There wasn't much traific.The Sentri line at the border was not backed up very far.I figured it was because of the trouble.The "walking line" was practically nil.As we waited in line trucks carrying soldiers zipped by us.The worry I had began to dissipate as the cars in line creeped up to the checkpoint.My mind drifted back to Mexico City and the afternoon we spent visiting The Virgin Of Guadalupe.The basilica is located in the Catholic Archdiocese near the center of the city.

I hadn't been there in some time. We used to visit my wife's two sisters who lived in Mexico City.One lived in a fancy area called Chapultepec and the other in the barrio pobre,Tepito.I always made a point to see the image of the Virgin on Juan Diego's cloak inside the basilica. You see advertisements about what to do in Mexico City especially if you're a tourist.:Chapultepec Castle where the young cadets draped themselves with the Tri Color and jumped from the balcony instead of surrendering to the American troops during the Mexican/American War,Xochimilco where they have the colorful wooden boats that they take you on on the lake,Frida Kahlo's House,and of course the Aztec pyramids. But I've never seen any hype about going to see The Virgin Of Guadalupe.
Maybe because it's too Catholic.But Frida Kahlo was a Commie atheist and her face is plastered everywhere.Even on their money.

I've been to the Vatican a few times.The Virgin Of Guadalupe is more honest. Tourists flock to the Vatican mainly to see the Pope. If he didn't live there it would be a wash.The tourisrts walk around with their cameras taking pictures of each other like they're on a picnic.

But at the basilica where the image of the Virgin Of Guadalupe is there's no false pretenses.Those people aren't of the world vagabond ilk.They are the poor of the city and they want to reach out and feel HER grace.The crowds are enormous regardless what time of the day. There's huge underground parking lot but there were only a handful of cars .Some walk on there knees.Many are crippled and inferm.They are desperate yet have a faith that's impregnable.It's not just make an appearance "in and out" with them.They stay and pray,wrench their souls, and ask for forgiveness.

After the second revolution the Catholic church was persecuted. The church lost much of their land holdings and with it their wealth wealth.Priests and nuns ,for many years were forbidden to walk in public with their habits and collars. But the faith never left the poor.The government couldn't take it away by edict nor force. People who have little have God.The ones who don't are tired of living, but like the song says, don't want to die.People who have kept their faith aren't afraid being no more.A better life ahead awaits them.






Los Angeles Negroes.
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It Was Always Something

One night I was sitting ringside by myself taking in the card at the old San Diego Coliseum. The place held around 15 hundred 2 thousand depending how many people they could squeeze into the bleacher seating.However,the arena was small enough that you could be sitting up in the top row of the bleachers and still have a good view of the action in the ring.

I can't remember who was fighting that night but just before the bell of the opening prelim Mickey Davies,the matchmaker for The Coliseum as well for Aileen Eaton in LA,, plopped into a seat next to me.There was plenty of room that night.Maybe that's why I don't remember the card-no big name fighters. A few of the prelim bouts had cancelled and the ring announcer ,Fred Lewis, read from a paper that the California Boxing Commission ruled that because there weren't enough scheduled rounds on the card that the rules stated that the fans were entitled to get their money back.Well, the stampede to the box office was like a herd of cattle spooked by a bolt of lightening.

I looked at Davies.His face was expressionless.
"Tonight will be a wash,"he mumbled to himself.
He then turned to me.
"You know I've never had a fight card that went off as planned."
We didn't know each other but I guess he wanted to get that off his chest to someone.
"I've had fighters bail out at the last minute for all the typical reasons and ones that were totally off the wall.One time a fighter didn't show and I got a call from the guy's wife saying that her husband had been bitten by a dog that had rabies and now he had to postpone and get rabies shots.Another time I got a call from the police up in Sacramento and they said my fighter was locked up in jail because he got in a fight with his brother and stabbed him with a knife. Then there was the time one of my fighters called and said he couldn't fight because he had shacked up with some woman he met in a bar the night before and then they went to a motel.They were getting high on drugs and she gave him a hot shot of heroin and they had to rush him to the hospital where he almost died."
I shook my head.
"That's pretty unusual,"I said.
"Oh those are just some of the ordinary ones,"said Davies."Now let me tell you some that will really make your head spin."
Just then Jackie McCoy came up from behind.With him was his fighter Rodolfo Gonzalez.He tapped Davies on the shoulder.Davies got up and walked with both of them to the dressing room.After around twenty minutes Davies returned back to his seat.
"Well, it's been agreed.Gonzalez will be fighting Carmona for the championship at the Sports Arena."
Davies was all smiles now. He had a grin on his face like the cat who swallowed the canary.I wanted to ask him to tell me about some of those "off the wall" excuses about fighters that never showed up but I didn't feel like spoiling his mood.


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Rodolfo Gonzalez
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Fighting On Empty

I got to know Rodolfo Gonzalez after he retired from the ring.They called him "Gato" but I'm not talking about the other "Gato" Gonzalez who came along later.No.I'm talking about the WBC lightweight champ who won the title from Chango Carmona.

I'd seen "Gato" fight on TV and I thought he had everything.He reminded me a little of "Mantequilla" Napoles. He had a fluid style,a big left hook, and slip punches with the best of them.He's from Guadalajara ,Mexico and comes from a super pedigree of fighters. His uncle was the great bantamweight king,Joe Becerra,and his cousin, "Alacran" Torres,knew what it was like to be the flyweight champ.They broke Rodolfo into the sport when Rodolfo's parents wanted him to be a bullfighter.But Rodolfo called "bullshit" to that idea and stuck with his uncle and his cousin.He made the right decision.

He began his career in the states of Jalisco and Michoacan with no amateur experience under his belt.He said his first fight was when he was 16 and he had to face a guy who had 10 years on him and a five o'clock shadow.He fought twice in my wife's hometown of Jiquilpan,Michoacan winning both times.Rodolfo always says to me that he wants to revisit Jiquilpan so he can reconnect with old friends.

When I was working for the court schools as a teacher with the kids who were on probation, I was at a storefront school on Logan Avenue down in the barrio. The school was upstairs and there was a boxing gym downstairs.That was Rodolfo's gym.This was after he had hung up his gloves.Well,when the fighters came in to workout you could kiss off school for the rest of the day.Who wants to learn how to conjugate a verb when you could watch fighters train in the gym?

But it wasn't until I started going to these boxing conventions in LA that I got to know "Gato."He lives in Oceanside,California, a burg on the coast in north San Diego county.He resides in a gated community with his longtime charming soulmate Barbara.Once in a while we all go out to lunch at a nice Mexican restaurant at the harbor.One night we invited the pair to come down to San Diego at have my wife cook up some Mexico grub for them. That night it was carne asada,camarones rancheros,frijoles,rice,and corn tortillas. We destroyed it!

I'll level with you.Rodolfo enjoys talking to my wife about Jiquilpan and the rest of that area of Mexico just as much as reminiscing about his fighting career.They talk about the food,the pueblos,the country,and the way people live and how they had the same thing in common:they were poor.I always feel like a friend against outsiders when they get going on this.

But it's not hard to get "Gato" sharing what it was like being a fighter.I thought he was going to stay on top for longer than he did.He told me that when he was the WBC champ and Roberto Duran was the WBA top dog, Duran's people threw 30 grand at Rodolfo to fight the Panamanian.But ":Guts" Ishimatsu,the Japanese champ,countered with 50 big ones to fight Rodolfo in Japan.Rodolfo went over there and lost his crown.He told me in training that he went vegetarian and that Jackie McCoy arrived late to camp.They exercised the rematch clause and it was deja vu all over again.You can watch the 2nd fight on YouTube.Rodolfo didn't look like his old self. In reality he just looked old.He began to fade late and "Guts" got to him again.It was "Gato's" last fight.

He told me that after that loss he felt that Father Time had gotten a hold on him.He was 32.He had bought his mother a house in TJ with the money he earned from the Carmona fight.He also bought a bar in the Coahuila. Gato still has the house.Well, his brother,Frankie, lives in it and rents out all the rooms.I don't think "Gato" sees any of that money.

Me and"Gato" talk on the phone a few times a year.If you look up the definition of "a nice guy" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of his face.I think if "Gato" could have gotten to Duran early he could have beaten him.But I think there's a guy on this forum who would give me an argument about that. :lol:


The bullring in Jiquilpan where "Gato" fought in the ring when his parents thought he'd be fighting bulls instead..



My wife and "Gato" after a night of eating and sharing stories about Mexico.
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The Big Right

Since most heavyweight fighters are of the orthodox ilk their power comes from their right hand. Joe louis thought his left was his big weapon because he said the left hand was closer to his opponent.But I remember as a kid when they talked about who swas the guy who hit the hardest the consensus was Max Baer,and they were referring to his right hand.

Frankie Campbell died from a multitude of Baer's rights.Ernie Schaff took a horrible beating from Baer ,and then when he faced Primo Carnera later, Schaff died at the hands of the big Italian. But the pundits said it was Schaff's pummeling from Baer that really killed him.

If you look at Max's fights on film he was right hand crazy.His right wasn't a straight punch from the shoulder but coursed more arcing in a ,looping angle.He didn't snap it off.It was more like a blacksmith hammering down on his anvil.

But before there was Liston(Sonny's right he didn't use much because it needed tuning but it was deadly) and Shavers and Tyson, it was Max Baer's right hand that was the most destructive force in the Sweet Science. I don't believe Baer's right hit harder than Louis', but Joe could deliver equally hard with both fists. Baer's left was flimsy in comparison.

I'll wrap this up by saying that I got around to seeing the movie Cinderella Man,Ron Howards' depiction of Jimmy Braddock and his winning of the heavyweight championship from Baer. What was Opie thinking? He portrayed Baer as some sinister thug,even alluding that Baer took some pleasure of what he did to Campbell.Howard got it all wrong.Max Bar was a real life big kid. He was always clowning around and on a quest to have a good time. When I was a youngster I saw him at the Del Mar Hotel.It was racing season and he was there was his wife. I was with my parents.Everybody was outside in the patio enjoying their day.I got hungry and went to the snack bar and ordered a Coke and a hot dog. When I turned around with my food in my hand I smacked into a mountain named Max Baer.He was kidding me of course but he really got me going.He let out a hearty laugh and put his left hand on my shoulder to let me know that everything was OK.I was just glad it wasn't his right


Max Baer

A different take on Max Baer from his kids.I'll side with them.

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Abrazos,No Balazos

That's what the president of Mexico,Manual Obrador, said when he coined the phrase meaning "hugs,not bullets", responding to how he was going to deal with the cartels in Mexico. Well,last Friday evening through early Sunday morning the 2 million or so inhabitants of Tijuana were questioning president Obrador's strategy regarding this situation. If you go down across the border and stay awhile to get a feel of the situation you'll eventually put two and two together and figure out who's running the place-and it ain't the government.Put it this way, they're taking orders instead of giving them.

Like I was telling you a few days ago when me and the wife got back from Mexico City and landed at TJ's airport. We get to the baggage claim area and all these soldiers in fatigues are double timing it carry their AR 15's like they're ready to jump into a foxhole and lock and load. I thought maybe they were after somebody in particular.

Well, we get outside waiting for my granddaughter's husband to pick us up and when we get in the car instead of him saying "How was your trip?" it was "Did you here what happened in TJ last night?"

I guess they arrested some kingpin in Ensenada and his crew didn't like that so they began shaking down the whole city.It rubbed off on all the big cities in Baja:Mexicali,Rosarito,Ensenada,and CiudadJuarez across from El Paso ,Texas. Guadalajara was feeling it too.It was some honcho in the Jalisco cartel called The New Generation who got pinched along with some of his pals.What usually happens then is they take these guys someplace(Mexico City in this case)and then the leader of the arrested makes a phone call and then tells the commanding officer that he'll give him 5 million dollars if he let's him and his pals walk. Out the door they go.

The chaos was mostly burning cars( 2 dozen in TJ),setting up some roadblocks and yanking people out and giving them a a good working over,and attacking people who were walking alone late at night.There were no killings in Tijuana but in Ciudad Juarez there were 9 murders(4 people were killed inside a radio station).

You hear of this crap going on especially in small villages in the rural area of the country in the south,but this was an attack of a city of 2 million. And when the public was told to get into lockdown they obeyed. Hell,even Capone could never do that in Chicago.The woman mayor of Tijuana,Monserrat Caballero had a classic response.
(sic)"I wish the cartels would only target the people who have not paid their shakedown payments and leave the others alone."
Ain't that a beauty!?

Ok.Now I've got to connect this with boxing.There wasn't any boxing over the weekend because there wasn't any scheduled anyway. In fact there wasn't anything much going on either.Bars,reataurants,bus service ,taxis,government facilies-all shut down.The streets were empty.No lines at the border. People who lived down there didn't cross to go to work in San Diego.The radio said for everybody to stay inside especially if you were an American.

But I guess by now everything has gotten back to normal-whatever that is. By the way who wants to come down with me and eat tacos for lunch?I'll give you a hug if you do. :lol:



At the bottom they forgot to include "cartels"
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