Joshua on the mic

[Steveh583]

It makes you think, if they had fought, would fury have beaten him before they even stepped in the ring. Would Tyson have run rings around him in regards to mind games?

[Ricky]

It makes you think, if they had fought, would fury have beaten him before they even stepped in the ring. Would Tyson have run rings around him in regards to mind games?

I think he'd just box his ears off tbh, regardless of any build up antics.

[rd350lc]

Not sure what it was about the belt throwing and he was definitely concussed. However, I think the criticism is a bit nuts really. Yes he shouldnt have hugged the limelight....but it was plenty respectful. In fact I interpreted it as "i cannot beat you".

Dont think he will be the same fighter again...you've got to believe you are the best. Even Sugar Ray Leonard after he got annihilated against Camacho said it was rust and he truly believed in his hearts he could beat RJJ who was p4p number 1 at the time. Joshua has lost the self belief now.

Really ? I thought it was totally disrespectful , did you see the look on Usyk's face when he took the belts from him ?
It was cringe worthy and embarrassing and deserves a proper apology to Usyk .

[oogiebe]

Not sure what it was about the belt throwing and he was definitely concussed. However, I think the criticism is a bit nuts really. Yes he shouldnt have hugged the limelight....but it was plenty respectful. In fact I interpreted it as "i cannot beat you".

Dont think he will be the same fighter again...you've got to believe you are the best. Even Sugar Ray Leonard after he got annihilated against Camacho said it was rust and he truly believed in his hearts he could beat RJJ who was p4p number 1 at the time. Joshua has lost the self belief now.

Really ? I thought it was totally disrespectful , did you see the look on Usyk's face when he took the belts from him ?
It was cringe worthy and embarrassing and deserves a proper apology to Usyk .

I agree with you RD. It wasn't his place to take any spotlight except for "I lost and I'll be back." Spoiled little coddled entitled man.

[margaret thatcher]

i mean, i get a frustrated outburst like yelling f@ck or something, something where you catch yourself a minute later. but dude went on a whole bizarre rant, left the ring, threw out the other dude's belts and stuff. it went on for a while and then he was still having outbursts backstage.

at minimum, it was very unprofessional.......like who does that sh!t?

[coneye]

i mean, i get a frustrated outburst like yelling f@ck or something, something where you catch yourself a minute later. but dude went on a whole bizarre rant, left the ring, threw out the other dude's belts and stuff. it went on for a while and then he was still having outbursts backstage.

at minimum, it was very unprofessional.......like who does that sh!t?

Well i know one , Big black fella from London , goes bay the name of Anthony

[KiwiRider]

As soon as he grabbed the mic, I shut down the connection.
That's how much I want to hear boxer's blather.. Turns out this time it was so bad it was interesting

[tonyevs]

The rant etc was something that will follow him for a long time. Which is a shame because he gave a very good performance .. he simply wasn't good enough.

2 of the 3 best heavyweights have fought each other and we know who the better man is.
It's time for Fury to show he really is the third guy in the mix .. the Wilder and Whyte fights don't tell enough.

[Dioufy]

People need to see how hard he fist bumped Usyk’s team and how he tried to bully them in the ring.

It’s on Twitter. The camera that just follows Joshua post decision.

He’s not even said sorry. He’s a bell. Rep tarnished for me forever.

[stujones]

Not sure what it was about the belt throwing and he was definitely concussed. However, I think the criticism is a bit nuts really. Yes he shouldnt have hugged the limelight....but it was plenty respectful. In fact I interpreted it as "i cannot beat you".

Dont think he will be the same fighter again...you've got to believe you are the best. Even Sugar Ray Leonard after he got annihilated against Camacho said it was rust and he truly believed in his hearts he could beat RJJ who was p4p number 1 at the time. Joshua has lost the self belief now.

Really ? I thought it was totally disrespectful , did you see the look on Usyk's face when he took the belts from him ?
It was cringe worthy and embarrassing and deserves a proper apology to Usyk .

The belt thing was ridiculous I agree, the speech I was meaning. I actually interpreted the belt thing as "how could you have put the belts around an unworthy boxer like ME"...it was weird though.

Or perhaps the belt thing was him being disgusted at the decision and someone told him he needed to redeem himself hence the speech.

It was clumsily phrased, but what he said to Usyk was accurate. Usyk has skills, Usyk has a boxing IQ, Usyk is a true fighting man and that beats raw size and strength.

[mickey1975]

People need to see how hard he fist bumped Usyk’s team and how he tried to bully them in the ring.

It’s on Twitter. The camera that just follows Joshua post decision.

He’s not even said sorry. He’s a bell. Rep tarnished for me forever.

Highfield boxing? Terry's breakdown of events was very good.

[Dioufy]

People need to see how hard he fist bumped Usyk’s team and how he tried to bully them in the ring.

It’s on Twitter. The camera that just follows Joshua post decision.

He’s not even said sorry. He’s a bell. Rep tarnished for me forever.

Highfield boxing? Terry's breakdown of events was very good.

It was absolutely fantastic!

[ptwbuk]

Something that is never talked about is the mental health of boxers. There were some key things that AJ said in his interview that don't seem to had much media attention but were clear cries for help in my opinion. I didn't see an 18 stone man 'losing his mind' I saw a young man that has dedicated a big part of his life to being a better human and a dedicated athlete feeling sadness. AJ mentioned that 'we don't know what it's like to be a boxer' the key point here that he made is that you are training to do damage, you are training to be someone that can kill a man with your bare hands. At the same time in an instant you then have to flip back to being a calm and smile moments after a battle. Modern day has magnified this I believe in that we live in a more politically correct and restrained world (on the surface) than ever before. The paradox now is bigger than before because more eyes and ears are on people of today let alone athletes.
The other thing that I thought was eye opening was AJ giving advice to other young aspiring young athletes and to parents saying 'don't allow your kids to get into boxing'. For me this is telling in that someone who has turned his life around and become a multi millionaire feels so damaged by what he has had to go through that he is giving advice to others that it isn't a good career move for physical and mental health.
If we lived in a more compassionate world/country I don't think we'd look at the mans wealth, we'd see a young man that was feeling sad in full view of the world and getting behind him rather than mocking him. There is a list of boxers who's mental health suffers and they spiral into drink, drugs, crime amongst other things, all of these things are byproducts of mental illness and often something we use as a coping mechanism.
In my opinion there should me more help for the mental side of fighters during boxers careers as well as after boxers careers to get them through difficult moments. I think in a time where there are so many people saying 'men must talk more' or 'we must be kinder to each other' we all should be looking to be more compassionate rather than revel in someones unhappiness in a really emotional moment for a very young man. Having lots of money doesn't make him less of a human being or feel things less.

[Counter-puncher]

The other thing that I thought was eye opening was AJ giving advice to other young aspiring young athletes and to parents saying 'don't allow your kids to get into boxing'. For me this is telling in that someone who has turned his life around and become a multi millionaire feels so damaged by what he has had to go through that he is giving advice to others that it isn't a good career move for physical and mental health.

i didn't hear that bit

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Something that is never talked about is the mental health of boxers. There were some key things that AJ said in his interview that don't seem to had much media attention but were clear cries for help in my opinion. I didn't see an 18 stone man 'losing his mind' I saw a young man that has dedicated a big part of his life to being a better human and a dedicated athlete feeling sadness. AJ mentioned that 'we don't know what it's like to be a boxer' the key point here that he made is that you are training to do damage, you are training to be someone that can kill a man with your bare hands. At the same time in an instant you then have to flip back to being a calm and smile moments after a battle. Modern day has magnified this I believe in that we live in a more politically correct and restrained world (on the surface) than ever before. The paradox now is bigger than before because more eyes and ears are on people of today let alone athletes.
The other thing that I thought was eye opening was AJ giving advice to other young aspiring young athletes and to parents saying 'don't allow your kids to get into boxing'. For me this is telling in that someone who has turned his life around and become a multi millionaire feels so damaged by what he has had to go through that he is giving advice to others that it isn't a good career move for physical and mental health.
If we lived in a more compassionate world/country I don't think we'd look at the mans wealth, we'd see a young man that was feeling sad in full view of the world and getting behind him rather than mocking him. There is a list of boxers who's mental health suffers and they spiral into drink, drugs, crime amongst other things, all of these things are byproducts of mental illness and often something we use as a coping mechanism.
In my opinion there should me more help for the mental side of fighters during boxers careers as well as after boxers careers to get them through difficult moments. I think in a time where there are so many people saying 'men must talk more' or 'we must be kinder to each other' we all should be looking to be more compassionate rather than revel in someones unhappiness in a really emotional moment for a very young man. Having lots of money doesn't make him less of a human being or feel things less.

I have no issue with him being upset. The issue is the entitlement of trying to bully members of Usyk's team by punching them, stealing Usyk's belts and throwing them out the ring, taking the microphone and stealing Usyk's moment by trying to make it all about himself going on a monologue talking about himself when he should be letting the winner enjoy their moment. Criticising that isn't 'mocking someone'. As for his mental health struggles, it seems the key one seems to be narcissistic personality dissorder, which is an unpleasant selfish manipulative dissorder, when his mask slips.

[Ezzard]

In life most people lose more often than they win. The head of Eton once famously said that they strive to put their students into situations where they will fail.

Society has changed. There are medals for all sorts at kids' sports. It's not useful or healthy. Joshua got a gift at the Olympics and everything after that was laid on for him. He still had to train hard and make it work. Joe Joyce was on the wrong end of decision at the Olympics. He still hasn't had a world title fight. I can't imagine him being so emotionally fragile.

Joshua just needed to go back to his dressing room.

We've all said stupid things when we've had a drink. It's like farting in church, best thing to do is just style it out.

[cormack]

buerk

[Glass Joe]

[Steveh583]

The vague label that is ‘mental health’ is now the get out of jail card to excuse bad behaviour for an entire generation. It also undermines the struggle of people living with genuine mental illness. And if you call it out you get labelled ignorant instantly. Who is diagnosing these people with ‘mental health’? Is it suitably qualified professionals? It seems to be the only Illness you can self diagnose and it’s taken as a given. AJ had just lost a huge fight and multiple world titles. You aren’t meant to feel chipper after that. It excuses nothing. It was a tantrum.

[Twinkle Toes]

The vague label that is ‘mental health’ is now the get out of jail card to excuse bad behaviour for an entire generation. It also undermines the struggle of people living with genuine mental illness. And if you call it out you get labelled ignorant instantly. Who is diagnosing these people with ‘mental health’? Is it suitably qualified professionals? It seems to be the only Illness you can self diagnose and it’s taken as a given. AJ had just lost a huge fight and multiple world titles. You aren’t meant to feel chipper after that. It excuses nothing. It was a tantrum.

Fury has never been diagnosed by a professional but he has run with his self diagnosis for the last few years, and people lap it up.

[Counter-puncher]

ha thats pretty good

[Steveh583]

The vague label that is ‘mental health’ is now the get out of jail card to excuse bad behaviour for an entire generation. It also undermines the struggle of people living with genuine mental illness. And if you call it out you get labelled ignorant instantly. Who is diagnosing these people with ‘mental health’? Is it suitably qualified professionals? It seems to be the only Illness you can self diagnose and it’s taken as a given. AJ had just lost a huge fight and multiple world titles. You aren’t meant to feel chipper after that. It excuses nothing. It was a tantrum.

Fury has never been diagnosed by a professional but he has run with his self diagnosis for the last few years, and people lap it up.

One of the many. It’s also a method used to absolve ones self of all personal responsibility. Certainly in furys case. Tbf tho, we don’t know if he’s sought professional help and none of them have the obligation to share their medical history. But society as a whole seems to be making it a taboo to call it out.

[Counter-puncher]

The vague label that is ‘mental health’ is now the get out of jail card to excuse bad behaviour for an entire generation. It also undermines the struggle of people living with genuine mental illness. And if you call it out you get labelled ignorant instantly. Who is diagnosing these people with ‘mental health’? Is it suitably qualified professionals? It seems to be the only Illness you can self diagnose and it’s taken as a given. AJ had just lost a huge fight and multiple world titles. You aren’t meant to feel chipper after that. It excuses nothing. It was a tantrum.

Fury has never been diagnosed by a professional but he has run with his self diagnosis for the last few years, and people lap it up.

One of the many. It’s also a method used to absolve ones self of all personal responsibility. Certainly in furys case.

i think we've possibly had this conversation before, you and I?

i expressed on here some years ago that I was nervous of the way the quasi-universality of 'mental health problems' was being marketed. I was accused by someone who himself was a genuine sufferer, perhaps rightly on some levels that I was insensitive/ call it what you will.

The intervening 5 years or so has seen the problem as I perceive it become worse.

Actually my primary concern was that the narratives that say (EG) 'everybody will suffer mental health problems at some point' or 'anybody at any time can suffer from mental health problems' (I believe both statements to be incorrect, as it happens), create a situation where someone who is 'a little bit sad' over a fundamentally transient short term problem can either in their own head or through the persuasions of others (including doctors, mental health professionals or family and friends, i had an employee's mother perform an on-the spot diagnosis of anxiety for me, once, for example) be convinced that this temporary sadness or disquiet, common to us all in life, is a problem that is both an illness or condition, and quite possibly a permanent, structural one.

I actually didn't really focus- although i made a reference- to those who would 'use' the catch-all of mental health problems as excuse not to: go to work today or for a month or forever/ pay their tax/ be a good husband/ whatever. I guess the cynical side of it seemed so predictable, given the degree of cynicism inherent in human nature, that it was almost taken as read as part of the situation.

it still deeply concerns me that the (to me) excessive focus on mental health problems, and specifically their quasi-universality, will (IMO) produce generations who misconceive their transient sadness as permanent trauma. a bit sad, a bit stressed, will become ever-more assumed to be structural permanent issues.


As a society we are institutionalising it, and I don't know what the answer is without somehow sh1tting on the genuine cases, which I do not wish to do at all.

[Steveh583]

Fury has never been diagnosed by a professional but he has run with his self diagnosis for the last few years, and people lap it up.

One of the many. It’s also a method used to absolve ones self of all personal responsibility. Certainly in furys case.

i think we've possibly had this conversation before, you and I?

i expressed on here some years ago that I was nervous of the way the quasi-universality of 'mental health problems' was being marketed. I was accused by someone who himself was a genuine sufferer, perhaps rightly on some levels that I was insensitive/ call it what you will.

The intervening 5 years or so has seen the problem as I perceive it become worse.

Actually my primary concern was that the narratives that say (EG) 'everybody will suffer mental health problems at some point' or 'anybody at any time can suffer from mental health problems' (I believe both statements to be incorrect, as it happens), create a situation where someone who is 'a little bit sad' over a fundamentally transient short term problem can either in their own head or through the persuasions of others (including doctors, mental health professionals or family and friends, i had an employee's mother perform an on-the spot diagnosis of anxiety for me, once, for example) be convinced that this temporary sadness or disquiet, common to us all in life, is a problem that is both an illness or condition, and quite possibly a permanent, structural one.

I actually didn't really focus- although i made a reference- to those who would 'use' the catch-all of mental health problems as excuse not to: go to work today or for a month or forever/ pay their tax/ be a good husband/ whatever. I guess the cynical side of it seemed so predictable, given the degree of cynicism inherent in human nature, that it was almost taken as read as part of the situation.

it still deeply concerns me that the (to me) excessive focus on mental health problems, and specifically their quasi-universality, will (IMO) produce generations who misconceive their transient sadness as permanent trauma. a bit sad, a bit stressed, will become ever-more assumed to be structural permanent issues.


As a society we are institutionalising it, and I don't know what the answer is without somehow sh1tting on the genuine cases, which I do not wish to do at all.

That is the problem in a nut shell. It also is perpetuated by social media insinuating that everyone should be happy all the time. It’s just not realistic. Life isn’t meant to be easy and we shouldn’t expect it to be (but this is being marketed to a generation who know no better). It’s a thorny issue. I think that the answer may come from developing a strong moral compass
and a sense of personal responsibility. Owning your shortcomings (particularly in AJs case). I wonder how many genuine cases are denied treatment because of the overwhelming demand that comes from the ability to self diagnose.

[Counter-puncher]

That is the problem in a nut shell. It also is perpetuated by social media insinuating that everyone should be happy all the time. It’s just not realistic. Life isn’t meant to be easy and we shouldn’t expect it to be (but this is being marketed to a generation who know no better). It’s a thorny issue. I think that the answer may come from developing a strong moral compass
and a sense of personal responsibility. Owning your shortcomings (particularly in AJs case).


I wonder how many genuine cases are denied treatment because of the overwhelming demand that comes from the ability to self diagnose.

really good points.

It also is perpetuated by social media insinuating that everyone should be happy all the time

indeed; media sells an unattainable state of mind as, not just something to aspire to, but something that you are FAILING if you fall short of.
person feels inadequate, insecure.
media tells the the reason they feel this way is they have a mental health problem.
the relevant mental health professional fortunately is able to prescribe a sh1t-ton pf pharma, so that's ok then, all's well that ends well.

I wonder how many genuine cases are denied treatment because of the overwhelming demand that comes from the ability to self diagnose.

excellent point