Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

Who wins the rematch?

Poll ended at 20 Aug 2022, 13:08

Usyk - Decision
33
38%
Usyk - T/KO
32
36%
DRAW
3
3%
Joshua - T/KO
14
16%
Joshua - Decision
6
7%
 
Total votes: 88

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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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Enlightened-One wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 09:37
lazboy wrote: 20 Aug 2022, 22:31Hurrah EO! This is the first time I have seen you acknowledge a mistake. This is an important moment - a turning point for you on this forum.

With awareness comes change.

I want to see a better EO after this loss. I want you to take stock. Acknowledge that you don't the high level of boxing knowledge you thought you had. Listen to more knowledgeable posters. Learn. Come back wiser. It can be done (with effort).

Have a great weekend!
If you're going to quote my words, please do so without editing them, because context is key and you cherry-picking certain sentences will probably result in you misrepresenting my actual opinions:
Enlightened-One wrote: 20 Aug 2022, 19:46 I scored the fight 118-110 to Usyk.

For the last ten or eleven months, I thoroughly expected Usyk to beat Joshua again comfortably, but the media coverage of the fight compelled me to suffer from a last-minute change of heart.

I always expected Usyk to outbox AJ, but I somehow felt that Joshua would score a lottery-winning KO against the run of play.

And I was clearly wrong. I should have stuck to my guns.

That said, I feel that Tyson Fury can beat Oleksandr Usyk. And I have never believed otherwise.
EO please, I was merely cutting the fat from your post to reiterate the fact you were wrong and that you acknowledged the same. I’ve been wrong many times on this forum, you’re not alone.

Let us both improve so that we can become knowledgeable posters. I do however feel I’ve got a better handle of scoring than you in consideration of you scoring Canelo Bivol a draw.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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lazboy wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 17:34I do however feel I’ve got a better handle of scoring than you in consideration of you scoring Canelo Bivol a draw.
Do you score fights in real-time and submit your scores between rounds to the forum?
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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Enlightened-One wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 18:07
lazboy wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 17:34I do however feel I’ve got a better handle of scoring than you in consideration of you scoring Canelo Bivol a draw.
Do you score fights in real-time and submit your scores between rounds to the forum?
Yes EO, that is something I do, albeit infrequently.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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lazboy wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 18:13
Enlightened-One wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 18:07
lazboy wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 17:34I do however feel I’ve got a better handle of scoring than you in consideration of you scoring Canelo Bivol a draw.
Do you score fights in real-time and submit your scores between rounds to the forum?
Yes EO, that is something I do, albeit infrequently.
You have to score more fights more often and then I’ll either agree with you or I won’t.

BoxRec is an echo chamber, whereby people try to fit in, by conforming to the opinions of the regulars, because doing otherwise will inevitably result in them being ostracised and ridiculed.

If you think you’re supremely gifted at scoring fights, then you need to keep proving rather than constantly exploiting the benefit of hindsight.

I can’t say whether you’re good or garbage at scoring fights if you submitting your scorecards between rounds to the forum is as rare as Halley’s Comet.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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Enlightened-One wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 18:22
lazboy wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 18:13
Enlightened-One wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 18:07
Do you score fights in real-time and submit your scores between rounds to the forum?
Yes EO, that is something I do, albeit infrequently.
You have to score more fights more often and then I’ll either agree with you or I won’t.

BoxRec is an echo chamber, whereby people try to fit in, by conforming to the opinions of the regulars, because doing otherwise will inevitably result in them being ostracised and ridiculed.

If you think you’re supremely gifted at scoring fights, then you need to keep proving rather than constantly exploiting the benefit of hindsight.
Very strange comments and not at all what I represented. Almost as strange as scoring Bivol Canelo a draw.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

Post by Enlightened-One »

lazboy wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 18:25
Enlightened-One wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 18:22
lazboy wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 18:13

Yes EO, that is something I do, albeit infrequently.
You have to score more fights more often and then I’ll either agree with you or I won’t.

BoxRec is an echo chamber, whereby people try to fit in, by conforming to the opinions of the regulars, because doing otherwise will inevitably result in them being ostracised and ridiculed.

If you think you’re supremely gifted at scoring fights, then you need to keep proving rather than constantly exploiting the benefit of hindsight.
Very strange comments and not at all what I represented. Almost as strange as scoring Bivol Canelo a draw.
Put it this way, I have an IQ of 160, but I refuse to prove it.

Does this mean that I actually have an IQ of 160?

You telling me you’re good at scoring fights is equally weird, if you won’t prove it.

I can run 100 metres in 8.5 seconds, but I can’t be bothered to prove it.

Does this mean I can actually run that fast?

How many more analogies do you need before the penny finally drops?
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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Bizarre!
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I thought Joshua had about a 40% chance of winning going into the fight, and I still held that opinion right up to the start of round 10.
He could well have had the game plan to wait for Uysk to slow and try and finish him. Been done plenty of times before in the HW division, where slowing up in the mid to later rounds is common. He couldn't carry his momentum from the 9th i to the 10th, and that is when I thought its over.
His team telling him he was winning rounds, especially the first four- which is what I heard said between 4&5 was crazy. No wonder he didn't press things, he thought he was coasting it. :doh:
Bad advice.
On the positive side, that's the best I've seen AJ, and that performance would have beaten all but 2 guys, maybe even just one...
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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usyk has excellent stamina, waiting for him to slow would be an incredibly unwise plan
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margaret thatcher wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 23:23 usyk has excellent stamina, waiting for him to slow would be an incredibly unwise plan
If anything he stepped it up in the championship rounds, this time and last time. But the plan to land body shots was decent if more than just a half dozen per round were thrown.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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the body shots were the best thing aj did, hell maybe he should just punched there
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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When will the fighters start rage against the totally corrupted judges we saw in the last years - how did Feldman saw it 115:113 for Joshua and giving him even the last round?

It all happened pretty much as the last fight, just this time Joshua had some different plan, but didn't have the skills to apply it over Usyk's talent. He fought way better than the last fight, but still way too insufficient to win, he's just not the better boxer, nor is the great boxer they all try to present it to the people, nor will ever be. Not to mention his behavior after the fight - low class looser, close to Wilder.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 23:23 usyk has excellent stamina, waiting for him to slow would be an incredibly unwise plan
IMO one of best stamina in boxing. Some of that body shots from AJ were murderuous. How was Usyk able to step on the gas in last 3 rounds is very impressive IMO.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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margaret thatcher wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 23:23 usyk has excellent stamina, waiting for him to slow would be an incredibly unwise plan
Usyk vs Joyce in a 24 rounder… dreamy.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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fifth_root wrote: 23 Aug 2022, 02:41 When will the fighters start rage against the totally corrupted judges we saw in the last years - how did Feldman saw it 115:113 for Joshua and giving him even the last round?

It all happened pretty much as the last fight, just this time Joshua had some different plan, but didn't have the skills to apply it over Usyk's talent. He fought way better than the last fight, but still way too insufficient to win, he's just not the better boxer, nor is the great boxer they all try to present it to the people, nor will ever be. Not to mention his behavior after the fight - low class looser, close to Wilder.
feldman is corrupt to the core and should never be allowed near any boxing ring ever again.

dude doesn't give a shit what actually transpired in the ring. gets paid off and does as he's instructed.

just shows that the fix was in again should it have been only remotely close.

usyk just didn't allow them to fornicate him over. like bivol.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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Counter-puncher wrote: 22 Aug 2022, 11:26
BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: 21 Aug 2022, 10:50
Perkin Warbeck wrote: 21 Aug 2022, 09:04


- Good on AJ tossing the most worthless belt, the Ring Brown Stained Blubber Fury belt, he being the MTK financed Ring Belt holder of 6 years total with 2 defenses, one drug suspension, and the biggest ducks of his era, those of the Wlad rematch and AJ multiple times in favor of the fellow low paying, low hanging fruit of Deyonce.

AJ tossing the trash :TU:
so anyway Usyk clearly outboxed Joshua AGAIN

you haven't go the 'his eye got popped in the 9th round or he would have stopped Usyk' ( :lol: :lol: :lol: ) line this time

what's your excuse? what's your convoluted 'logic' to show that Usyk actually lost that fight or even if he won, there was a factor that meant he didn't really win?

come on, I'm all ears. explain to us all how Joshua actually won that fight, just like he was going to win the last one before Usyk punched him in the face YET AGAIN.


- Woooooo!!! It's that time of the month at every big fight where you and your ilk in kind gush forth in unabashed leakage.

The history: Usyk gonna be robbed in London, but wait, wait, that didn't happen, so default to a 2 year old quality temper tantrum about scorecards where you didn't get the brand of sugar puffs you wanted.

Oh no, not again! Usyk gonna be robbed by them dirty Arabs, but wait, that didn't, happen, so default to 3 year old quality temper tantrums about scorecards where you didn't get the color of gummy bears you wanted. 

No need to go over the first fight as I already laid out existent details then as can be physically shown on the scorecards and the state of Usykenstein's mug that night. I must say though I feel so distinctly honoured to have been quoted twice in your Rage on the Red Sea moment such that I may just have to build a monument for myself.

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In the meantime, poor Judge Feldman who seems to have been an outcast from your and nutcase Teddy 3 year old echo chambers of temper tantrums, at last glance has his scorecards posted on Boxrec for all ages, sexes, and, yessss, even for 3 year olds to see.

From 2nd round to 11th round, 10 rounds total, his scoring is in majority agreement if not in full agreement with the scoring for those 10 rounds, a clear indication of how the competent judges are supposed to view a close fight. No Don King judges to be here with nary a Nevada Manny vs Floyd Commish in sight.

His only outliers are rounds 1 and 12. Round 1 was a typical fluff feeling out with tentative back and forth, typically a round I'd score as even because I score fights to understand the controversy, and the controversy is always the even rounds the fans scream their fighter won. If I were a judge forced to score for one or the other fighter, AJ landed the better blows as Usyk seemed very nervous settling in his new herky jerky style, concentrating on defense. Rd 12 one of the best rounds as the fighters wanted to close strong and they did with a lot of back and forth, but as Usyk had been visibly hurt by body blows all through the fight to took more poundings, I'd definitely give AJ that round though Usyk covered well with a strong finish.

As we've seen this throughout history, the curse of the slugger is to be lambasted when he cannot KO his opponent, whereas when the feather fisted boxer manages to KO his opponent, he's exalted, a strange quirk in the nature of the typical fight fan that lends itself to unceasing controversies, so your echo chamber upholds that dyslexic quirk in boxing.

In short, can't get any closer on the cards than Feldman without being a charter member of your echo chamber. The other judges disagreed with each other 3x in the fight for contrast. Now it ain't up to me to quell besotted when not hungover forum members, usually classed as drunkards, roaring about announcers as proof they don't understand squat from shinola about scoring save to rinse and repeat their next rip roaring riposte ad infinitum :TU:  
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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Sorry, I didn’t get the bit where you admitted Usyk was a better boxer than AJ and that you were wrong that AJ would knock him out if he didn’t have the impediment of an eye injury this time?
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II | DAZN - August 20, 2022

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What strange behaviour.
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