Deontay Wilder vs. Robert Helenius | FOX PPV - October 15, 2022

[gregregegg]

It hasn't been announced yet, but this is gonna be for Fury's vacated WBC Title. He will be stripped of it on the 26th. After the Joshua vs Usyk fight. Which is convenient obviously as it allows the WBC to make the belt available to their buddy Al Haymon's guy.

It would be a disgrace if this is for the WBC belt rather than Joyce vs Parker.... But i tend to agree with your prediction.

A guy whos last win was nearly 3 years ago, vs a guy ranked number 10 by the WBC, for the vacant WBC belt... ewww.

[KiwiRider]

It hasn't been announced yet, but this is gonna be for Fury's vacated WBC Title. He will be stripped of it on the 26th. After the Joshua vs Usyk fight. Which is convenient obviously as it allows the WBC to make the belt available to their buddy Al Haymon's guy.

It would be a disgrace if this is for the WBC belt rather than Joyce vs Parker.... But i tend to agree with your prediction.

A guy whos last win was nearly 3 years ago, vs a guy ranked number 10 by the WBC, for the vacant WBC belt... ewww.

That would be sickening.

[margaret thatcher]

they once made their #6 vs #13 a final eliminator for wilder's belt

unsurprisingly both guys were pbc affiliated

the wbc love themselves some haymon heavies

[gregregegg]

they once made their #6 vs #13 a final eliminator for wilder's belt

unsurprisingly both guys were pbc affiliated

the wbc love themselves some haymon heavies

Was that how breazeal got his shot?

Didnt they make a retired out of shape stevern mandatory? haha...

[margaret thatcher]

yup that was breazeal getting his shot

[gilgamesh]

It hasn't been announced yet, but this is gonna be for Fury's vacated WBC Title. He will be stripped of it on the 26th. After the Joshua vs Usyk fight. Which is convenient obviously as it allows the WBC to make the belt available to their buddy Al Haymon's guy.

It would be a disgrace if this is for the WBC belt rather than Joyce vs Parker.... But i tend to agree with your prediction.

A guy whos last win was nearly 3 years ago, vs a guy ranked number 10 by the WBC, for the vacant WBC belt... ewww.

Was Joyce vs Parker announced as a WBC Title Eliminator?

[Controversial]

Wilder looks like he's dropped some weight, I wonder if he will be back to the 210-215 region?

[gilgamesh]

Wilder looks like he's dropped some weight, I wonder if he will be back to the 210-215 region?

Looks like he's definitely under 220. Last photo of him I saw anyway. Of course with the fight 2 months away, he may beef back up again a little. We'll see.

[HomicideHenry]

I think Wilder would be a fool if he came in 220 or higher. He's far more dangerous than far more effective when he's in the 210-215 range. The Fury mind games really wrecked him mentally and emotionally making him think that him bulking up like a bodybuilder would have made him better.

[margaret thatcher]

225 is about his average, he's fine at that. it' s getting up to like 238 or whatever it was that was excessive

[gilgamesh]

Lighter and Faster is definitely the ticket for Wilder against Helenius. Helenius is a powerful dude, but has always been fairly slow and ponderous.

If Wilder is quicker (which he should be, bulk or not to be honest), chances are he gets there 1st, and it's over.

I look for Wilder to win by either 1st or 2nd round KO here. Maybe 4th or 5th if his timing is really badly off, which it might be at this point.

[gregregegg]

wilders weight Depends how spoiler hele will be willing to go. IF im hele im just charging in and hugging and hanging weight and wrestling any chance i get untill point gets taken.... you just wanna defreshen wilder, and the best way to do that is hang 250 extra lb off those lil pencil legs.

He is by far his best at range at 210-220, but is 210 lb wilder easier too bully in a wrestling match.

[KiwiRider]

Lighter and Faster is definitely the ticket for Wilder against Helenius. Helenius is a powerful dude, but has always been fairly slow and ponderous.

If Wilder is quicker (which he should be, bulk or not to be honest), chances are he gets there 1st, and it's over.

I look for Wilder to win by either 1st or 2nd round KO here. Maybe 4th or 5th if his timing is really badly off, which it might be at this point.

Agree.
And yeah, it's been a while, so I'd give him 5 rounds to land the leveller.
It's a good fight to ease back into the ring with. Laughable that it's ppv though.

[JxhDel.]

Both guys can end this before the final bell. If Fury vacates the WBC title, they could set up the winner against either Parker/Joyce or Ruiz/Ortiz, for the vacant belt, with the latter being more convenient for PBC.

[gilgamesh]

Both guys can end this before the final bell. If Fury vacates the WBC title, they could set up the winner against either Parker/Joyce or Ruiz/Ortiz, for the vacant belt, with the latter being more convenient for PBC.

The vacant belt is going to Wilder for this fight right here in all likelihood. You guys keep talking about these Titles as if they're not bought and sold.

You aren't really so naive you think they have integrity are you?

[Ruthless-RKO]

“I only have until I’m 40,” said Deontay Wilder to spam. “I still want to continue my three fights a year. I’m young. I feel great. My pre-training camp has started. I’ve done 253 rounds in 11 days.

“I’ve been here in Vegas with Don House and Malik Scott, JD, and all my team. It’s been a real treat. I haven’t made a decision yet, but most likely, I’ll be in camp,” said Wilder when asked if he’ll attend the September 4th fight between Andy Ruiz Jr and Luis Ortiz.

“You can’t take Robert Helenius lightly. He’s not one of those guys to look over. Many people might have a judgment when looking at him outside of the ring. Look, when you have a man that has a heart of gold and a warrior mindset and a warrior’s heart, it’s unpredictable what they can do.

“You can’t look past a man like that because with that heart; he fears nothing, especially not man. It’s do or die, and that’s what Robert has. He has a do-or-die mentality just like I. So, please, this is not going to be a light fight, and I am not taking it lightly.

“Again, understand; I’ve done 253 rounds in 11 days. It’s really unheard of,” said Wilder about his preparation for his fight against Helenius.

[Bandog]

Both guys can end this before the final bell. If Fury vacates the WBC title, they could set up the winner against either Parker/Joyce or Ruiz/Ortiz, for the vacant belt, with the latter being more convenient for PBC.

I hope the winner (Wilder) meets the winner of Parker/Joyce. I don't care to see Wilder fight Ortiz again. Ortiz will beat Ruiz I predict.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Check out some of what Helenius had to say below.

Helenius on how he prepares to deal with Wilder’s fight-ending power which can end things at any moment for the duration of 12 rounds
“I think I have to be more aggressive (than I was) in my former fights and push forward and have my reaction time better than ever, and have the conditioning to keep my concentration and be alert at all times in 12 rounds. So I think it’s gonna be a tough fight, I don’t see it as an easy opponent. He’s a tough fighter and he’s shown that and proven that in previous fights.

“I’m coming in this fight and giving everything because my dream has always been to be a world heavyweight champion and I’m gonna do everything in my power to become that.”

On his past sparring sessions with Wilder and if they bonded while training together
“We had good sparring sessions and we talked afterwards and we had similar thoughts on life and stuff like that...but at the end of the day this is a sport and, of course, you have to be aggressive and turn emotions off when you go into a fight like this.”

On what win over Wilder would mean for him
“I’ve never been a guy who calls out other guys and be cocky and tries to trash other people — that’s never been my style. But I won’t plan anything before I win this fight. So I have my full 100% concentration on this fight and doing everything in my power to win it.”

[jamesmcdonnell]

“I only have until I’m 40,” said Deontay Wilder to spam. “I still want to continue my three fights a year. I’m young. I feel great. My pre-training camp has started. I’ve done 253 rounds in 11 days.

“I’ve been here in Vegas with Don House and Malik Scott, JD, and all my team. It’s been a real treat. I haven’t made a decision yet, but most likely, I’ll be in camp,” said Wilder when asked if he’ll attend the September 4th fight between Andy Ruiz Jr and Luis Ortiz.

“You can’t take Robert Helenius lightly. He’s not one of those guys to look over. Many people might have a judgment when looking at him outside of the ring. Look, when you have a man that has a heart of gold and a warrior mindset and a warrior’s heart, it’s unpredictable what they can do.

“You can’t look past a man like that because with that heart; he fears nothing, especially not man. It’s do or die, and that’s what Robert has. He has a do-or-die mentality just like I. So, please, this is not going to be a light fight, and I am not taking it lightly.

“Again, understand; I’ve done 253 rounds in 11 days. It’s really unheard of,” said Wilder about his preparation for his fight against Helenius.

God it's painful listening to Wilder talk, he can barely string a cogent sentence together.

[Counter-puncher]

“I only have until I’m 40,” said Deontay Wilder to spam. “I still want to continue my three fights a year. I’m young. I feel great. My pre-training camp has started. I’ve done 253 rounds in 11 days.

“I’ve been here in Vegas with Don House and Malik Scott, JD, and all my team. It’s been a real treat. I haven’t made a decision yet, but most likely, I’ll be in camp,” said Wilder when asked if he’ll attend the September 4th fight between Andy Ruiz Jr and Luis Ortiz.

“You can’t take Robert Helenius lightly. He’s not one of those guys to look over. Many people might have a judgment when looking at him outside of the ring. Look, when you have a man that has a heart of gold and a warrior mindset and a warrior’s heart, it’s unpredictable what they can do.

“You can’t look past a man like that because with that heart; he fears nothing, especially not man. It’s do or die, and that’s what Robert has. He has a do-or-die mentality just like I. So, please, this is not going to be a light fight, and I am not taking it lightly.

“Again, understand; I’ve done 253 rounds in 11 days.,” said Wilder

course you have, flower

[margaret thatcher]

“I only have until I’m 40,” said Deontay Wilder to spam. “I still want to continue my three fights a year. I’m young. I feel great. My pre-training camp has started. I’ve done 253 rounds in 11 days.

“I’ve been here in Vegas with Don House and Malik Scott, JD, and all my team. It’s been a real treat. I haven’t made a decision yet, but most likely, I’ll be in camp,” said Wilder when asked if he’ll attend the September 4th fight between Andy Ruiz Jr and Luis Ortiz.

“You can’t take Robert Helenius lightly. He’s not one of those guys to look over. Many people might have a judgment when looking at him outside of the ring. Look, when you have a man that has a heart of gold and a warrior mindset and a warrior’s heart, it’s unpredictable what they can do.

“You can’t look past a man like that because with that heart; he fears nothing, especially not man. It’s do or die, and that’s what Robert has. He has a do-or-die mentality just like I. So, please, this is not going to be a light fight, and I am not taking it lightly.

“Again, understand; I’ve done 253 rounds in 11 days. It’s really unheard of,” said Wilder about his preparation for his fight against Helenius.

God it's painful listening to Wilder talk, he can barely string a cogent sentence together.

some dudes on here have gone on about how eloquent and well spoken he is amazingly

[Perkin Warbeck]

Helenius has little chance of winning the fight. His footwork is poor, and he doesn't move his head very well.

Helenius is easy to hit, and although lacking in boxing skills, Wilder has one-punch KO power.

It would be a disgrace if this mismatch is for the WBC world title. They should have Wilder face the winner of Joyce vs Parker for the vacant title (if Fury stays retired).

[Thomastearns]

Helenius has little chance of winning the fight. His footwork is poor, and he doesn't move his head very well.

Helenius is easy to hit, and although lacking in boxing skills, Wilder has one-punch KO power.

It would be a disgrace if this mismatch is for the WBC world title. They should have Wilder face the winner of Joyce vs Parker for the vacant title (if Fury stays retired).

In other words Robert Helenius is the perfect comeback patsy for Wilder's carefully planned triumphant comeback.

All it needs is Helenius to be as accomodating as Brezeale was - and Wilder's back!

[Thomastearns]

Don't see why a comeback fight against Helenius should be PPV.

Should be on free Fox or just Showtime.

These networks don't want to pay these boxers, instead they expect us fans to folk out their purses.

Fat Andy and Father Time is PPV, for an eliminator, not even a belt.
Eubank Jr and Benn is a domestic fight without even having the domestic belt and that's PPV.

It's beyond a joke. Wilder the 2 time loser, and I would argue 3 time loser wasn't PPV before Fury, and certainly isn't after losing to him however many times.
They are taking the piss.

They certainly are, but if the punters keep coughing up, this won't stop.

To be fair though, Benn v Eubank Jr will hold some fascination for many UK fans no doubt.

A lot will depend upon whether Conor Benn can genuinely threaten Eubank Jr.

PPV depends upon providing entertainment, and these days the belts are almost purely symbolic.

[daniel_nikolov]

Wilder will probably win easily in the early rounds. I'm so much hoping for Helenius to pull an upset though, no matter how slim his chances are.