Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua - 2020 OLD thread

[Counter-puncher]

Chopping and changing trainers after every fight does you no good. After one camp with Garcia he gave Usyk a harder time than he did in their first fight - more time together will bring more improvements.

He should get rid of Fernandez, make a full break from all his hangers on and base himself in Oxnard with Garcia.

this, in my opinion. the improvement over one camp with RG seems obvious, and equally obviously worth sticking with. oh and especially ditch that fvcking chancer-hanger-on-fkin blagger Fernandez.

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Tony Bellew Says Joshua Shouldn’t Accept Fury Deal

Tony Bellew says Anthony Joshua shouldn’t accept the “lowball” offer of 60-40 from Tyson Fury for a fight in November. Bellew feels that Joshua is the biggest draw in boxing, and it’s just “madness” for him to be given an offer that’s not 50-50.

“AJ is the biggest draw in the heavyweight division,” said Tony Bellew to talkSPORT. “It doesn’t matter if he’s lost twice, he’s still the biggest draw.

“Yes, he’s coming off the back of two defeats, but why is the best fighter in the world [Fury] calling his name? Why does he want to face him? You’ve got to ask that question.

“When you start putting out offers and saying, ‘I’ll give you 60-40,’ people like Anthony Joshua, they don’t bow to other people’s demands because the draw they bring is so big. You can’t lowball a guy that generates what he generates. It’s madness.

“This guy [Joshua] took boxing to Saudi Arabia. Just remember that. It’s never been there before. He has a lot of power to his hand. There’s a reason why he’s being called out.

“He’s coming off two defeats, yet Tyson Fury is calling his name. So if you’re going to be reasonable and say this is 50-50, I think it would be crazy not to take it. But at 60-40, if I was him, I’d be hesitant because you bring a lot to the table, probably more than the champion himself.

“This guy [Fury] has given up the most respected belt of them all. He’s no longer the Ring heavyweight champion. The reason he gave that up is because he changes his mind every five minutes.

“When Anthony Joshua announces a fight, he’s the biggest draw in the heavyweight division. That’s why the guys in Saudi want him.

“I would pick someone like Zhang,” said Bellew on who Joshua should fight in December if not Fury.

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Teddy Atlas Says Anthony Joshua Brings The Money For Tyson Fury Fight



“The challenge that Fury made to Joshua, there used to be a saying where ‘to the victor goes the spoils.’ In this case, the guy that comes in second goes the spoils,” said Teddy Atlas on The Fight.

“Usyk is not available right now, so it’s a good business decision on Fury’s part. You got to the guy that maybe he doesn’t think that could be an easy fight, but to the guy [Joshua] that can bring the most money.

“It’s good business. It’s smart. Joshua, the English people, and I’ve said this before, and people get a little upset. You don’t have the NBA, football [NFL].

“You’ve got soccer, the biggest sport in the world, but you don’t have American football, you don’t have [MLB] baseball, you don’t have the NBA or all those other things going on there [in the UK].

“You don’t have the competition with Tom Bradey, Lebron James, or Tiger Woods. So they can make their fighters Gods, they can make them huge, and they do. They like a good loser.

“They like a gracious guy. Joshua is an Olympic gold medalist; even though I called the fights, and I’ve said it before, I stay consistent whether people like it or not.

“I called the fights when he fought in London, and he [Joshua] lost that gold medal match to the Italian [Roberto Cammarelle]. It was in London and there was no way he was not going to get it.

“He got it. Listen, he knocked out Charles Martin, who’s not on anybody’s list of great fighters. He knocked him out to win the title. He being Joshua, and he’s been an overrated guy.

“I can’t say it clearer and give you more reason for it. Who’s he ever beaten? Let’s be honest. When he’s fought that realm of guys, he’s lost. Not only lost, but lost by knockout.

“The last two against Usyk, he got hurt, but he didn’t get knocked out. He showed heart, but he lost by a decision.

“But he got knocked out by Ruiz, who took the fight on last-minute notice. Ruiz can fight. We just talked about that. He did take the fight on two weeks’ notice, and he was the way he usually is, heavy.

“I really believe Joshua has always been overrated, but what matters in the business of this sport and the business of anything is who can bring in the most money.

“He can bring in the most money because people in England, they love his manners, they love his size, they love that he represents them.

“They’re familiar with him because there’s no one else out there that they really have in their sporting lives. There’s no Brady’s; there’s no Woods; there’s no Lebron James. He’s their guy, and they support him, and they’re loyal to him. I applaud that.

“But I tell you, there are guys out there more deserving probably of a title fight, but they’re not going to bring the cash. They’re not going to bring the Benjamins the way Joshua will, and it’ll be a huge fight.

“The guy has lost two in a row, the guy being Joshua. If they fight Fury like they say in the movie Jaws, they’re going to have to find a bigger boat. They’re going to have to find a bigger stadium than Wembley. That’s how big the thing would be. Whether it’s fair or not fair, it’s called money,” said Atlas.

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Eddie Hearn 'accepts' Tyson Fury offer for Anthony Joshua fight as venue 'confirmed'

EDDIE HEARN has reportedly accepted Tyson Fury's offer for a December 17 showdown on Anthony Joshua's behalf.

Eddie Hearn has reportedly accepted Tyson Fury's offer for a blockbuster all-British showdown with Anthony Joshua on AJ's behalf. According to reports, Joshua has accepted a 60/40 purse split for a fight at the Millennium Stadium - also known as the Principality Stadium - in Cardiff, Wales on December 17.

This information was disclosed by Fight Hub TV founder, Marcos Villegas, who tweeted on Wednesday morning: "Just finished speaking to Eddie Hearn. Confirmed that he did receive terms from Fury/Warren for #FuryJoshua fight - 60/40 split for Dec 17th at Millennium stadium with a rematch clause. Eddie told me "We accept" but noted Fury/Warren offered Nov 12th as the date for the fights.

"They sent for Nov 12 60/40 split. Eddie responded with accepting 60/40 on AJ behalf but said AJ couldn’t be ready until Dec 17th. Said Warren had Dec 17th already saved/held."

The news comes after Fury's promoter allegedly confirmed on Tuesday that he would be sending Joshua an official written offer for a fight against The Gypsy King. Originally, Fury was set to face Oleksandr Usyk in the first undisputed heavyweight unification clash of the four-belt era at the back end of this year.

But that all changed when the Ukrainian was ruled out of competition until 2023 with injuries sustained in the AJ fight.

Keen to make a fight happen this year, Fury called out Joshua via a social media video and the bout was verbally accepted by the Watford powerhouse. At first, AJ's promoter, Hearn, had been sceptical about the truth of the Mancunian's offer and didn't trust his word after his recent retirement saga.

However, with an official offer now logged it appears the long-awaited grudge match may finally become a reality this year.

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‘I got bored with retirement’ – Tyson Fury says he’s returning to boxing to equal Muhammad Ali’s record of being a three-time Ring Magazine champion and he wants to box until he’s 50

As expected, Tyson Fury has officially come out of retirement and he is now in pursuit of more history.

After Fury knocked out Dillian Whyte in front of 94,000 fans at Wembley Stadium in April earlier this year, he retired from the sport of boxing.

At the time, no one believed him and we have been proven right, as ‘The Gypsy King‘ recently announced he would be returning to the ring.

It looked as if perhaps his retirement might be serious last month when he vacated his Ring Magazine title, but it turns out this was all a ploy to equal a record set by Muhammad Ali.

‘The Greatest’ is the only three-time Ring Magazine champion in boxing history, having won the title against Sonny Liston, George Foreman and Leon Spinks.

Fury is a two-time Ring Magazine champion, having beaten Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder for the title and now ‘The Gypsy King’ just needs to beat Oleksandr Usyk to equal Ali’s record.

“I got bored with retirement,” Fury told the Ring Magazine. “I had five months out the ring and I changed my mind.

“Nobody believed me anyway, did they? I would still have passed a lie detector test, though, for sure.

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There's a reason he vacated the Ring belt so quickly and not the WBC belt..

[CaptainSpacerod]

We can’t take anything Bellew says regarding Tyson or AJ seriously - he’s a fully paid up DAZN cheerleader and it seems like he never got over Tyson childishly calling him Pricey’s gay lover

[Counter-puncher]

[url=https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1188774/]‘I got bored with retirement’ –

[cormack]

Chopping and changing trainers after every fight does you no good. After one camp with Garcia he gave Usyk a harder time than he did in their first fight - more time together will bring more improvements.

He should get rid of Fernandez, make a full break from all his hangers on and base himself in Oxnard with Garcia.

this, in my opinion. the improvement over one camp with RG seems obvious, and equally obviously worth sticking with. oh and especially ditch that fvcking chancer-hanger-on-fkin blagger Fernandez.

dont mince your words !
" fvcking chancer-hanger-on-fkin blagger Fernandez "

I agree with you Fernadez is too much of a lightweight to be a trainer at elite level

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We can’t take anything Bellew says regarding Tyson or AJ seriously - he’s a fully paid up DAZN cheerleader and it seems like he never got over Tyson childishly calling him Pricey’s gay lover

Yeh, he's forever on Hearn and AJ's penis..

[Blueprint]

Wow

The fact that we haven't heard from either side today makes me think this is happening.

[The Gratest]

We can’t take anything Bellew says regarding Tyson or AJ seriously - he’s a fully paid up DAZN cheerleader and it seems like he never got over Tyson childishly calling him Pricey’s gay lover

Yeh, he's forever on Hearn and AJ's penis..

Penises

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We can’t take anything Bellew says regarding Tyson or AJ seriously - he’s a fully paid up DAZN cheerleader and it seems like he never got over Tyson childishly calling him Pricey’s gay lover

Yeh, he's forever on Hearn and AJ's penis..

Penises

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Fury's promoter Warren has confirmed that if a fight were to happen, it will be held in the UK - and predicts that it could break box office records.

He told talkSPORT : "It will be in the UK and hopefully in November. That’s what we are looking at.

"How we make it work is that Tyson insists the fight is in the UK. So it’s got to work. He wants to fight here and deliver to the British fans.

“It will deliver a significant gate because there is massive interest from the British public and it will break all pay-per-view records. Whatever it generates is what it is worth.

"Once they confirm they are interest and accept the position where we are, we will work collectively to maximise the income between us. It depends what the price of the fight is, who knows what it would be price at. I personally think it could hit two million buys.

“The point is Tyson wants to fight here, that’s what he has said. He has said on numerous occasions that if he fights him he wants to fight him in the UK.”

Meanwhile, Joshua's promoter Eddie Hearn has said that Cardiff's Principality Stadium is the only suitable venue in the UK to host the fight at that time of year.

Hearn said: "That time of year, you'd only really have one choice which is the Millennium Stadium (Principality Stadium).

"You're leaving a huge amount of money behind to do the fight in the UK, but, guess what, these two also have a huge amount of money."

[DrDuke]

Hopefully it happens in December. I felt, that Usyk would bring another halt to the landscape, so he has done it and there's no point in waiting for him again.

[Blueprint]

Talksport says the teams are meeting tomorrow

[coneye]

Chopping and changing trainers after every fight does you no good. After one camp with Garcia he gave Usyk a harder time than he did in their first fight - more time together will bring more improvements.

He should get rid of Fernandez, make a full break from all his hangers on and base himself in Oxnard with Garcia.

Idealy , But its obvious he does'nt want to go abroad , probably buisness interests would'nt allow it , but in Britain for me based on the fact Simms has trained him , when he was succesful , and his success turning a novice in Benn into quite a capable fighter , he would have to be up there in Britain , don't think the Ingle style would suit AJ one bit , Shane Mcuigan would be another choice for me ,, i've been critical of his experience in the past but he's proving or rather proved myself and many others wrong ,, Plus i get the impresion he's not a yes man , he has his father behind him for advice , actually i think it would be the best matchup for him , simply because he would get rid of the other hanger on yes man peanut .

[Frostieballs]

Fury currently on talkSPORT (shouting as always) saying he has three dates at Old Trafford, Wembley and Cardiff booked depending on what date Joshua wants.

It really seems like Fury and his team are trying to publicly back Joshua into a corner.

I wonder if there is more to the split/proposed deal than meets the eye that might, in reality, make it difficult for AJ to take the fight - but in a way the man in the street wouldn't easily understand.

That way team Fury/allegedly can turn round and claim the moral victory.

[coneye]

*waits for Mick to reply ..

Give it time , it will happen

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Fury currently on talkSPORT (shouting as always) saying he has three dates at Old Trafford, Wembley and Cardiff booked depending on what date Joshua wants.

Given it's looking like December, Cardiff makes the most sense..

[Glass Joe]

Tough one part of me thinks this is a PR thing also part of me thinks Hearn knows AJ might turn into a David Price and might want to cash out before he loses to someone average and kill Fury money.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Idealy , But its obvious he does'nt want to go abroad , probably buisness interests would'nt allow it , but in Britain for me based on the fact Simms has trained him , when he was succesful , and his success turning a novice in Benn into quite a capable fighter , he would have to be up there in Britain , don't think the Ingle style would suit AJ one bit , Shane Mcuigan would be another choice for me ,, i've been critical of his experience in the past but he's proving or rather proved myself and many others wrong ,, Plus i get the impresion he's not a yes man , he has his father behind him for advice , actually i think it would be the best matchup for him , simply because he would get rid of the other hanger on yes man peanut .

For me if he’s chosen Garcia he should commit to Garcia, not try and maintain some hybrid situation to keep everyone happy. Surely any commercial commitments he has can wait til mid December to allow him to go to Cali and concentrate solely on his next fight.

He needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and admit the truth - that his “friends” and agents and his management company are all just riding the AJ gravy train. When he needed someone strong with his best interests at heart to stop his after fight meltdown in Saudi those fucks were nowhere to be seen. Bin em all and move on.

Simms is a good trainer but they had their time together and I don’t think he can take AJ forward now. I suppose it could be argued that AJ was more aggressive and assertive in the ring back then which is what he needs to rediscover but a counter argument would be that it’s easier to be aggressive against the lower standard of opponents he faced at that time.

Shane’s a good shout but he has a full stable of fighters, would he be prepared to drop them all to give AJ his full attention ?

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Tyson Fury brands Tony Bellew ‘Anthony Joshua fanboy’, as Gypsy King says he’ll knock out AJ ‘within six rounds’ in Battle of Britain showdown

Tyson Fury has told talkSPORT Tony Bellew is an Anthony Joshua ‘fanboy’ ahead of the British pair’s proposed showdown.

Calling into talkSPORT’s White and Jordan on Wednesday, Fury said: “Bellew is a fanboy for AJ, isn’t he? He’s on AJ’s hoo-ha.

“I’m not even going to say it on the radio where he’s sitting, he’s quite high up on AJ’s hoo-ha.”

“So, let’s say why is the best fighter in the world – which he knows is me – calling out AJ?

“I’ll tell you why, Bellew, it’s because the other guy little guy who just beat your bodybuilding mate, Usyk, doesn’t want no smoke with the Gypsy King.

“He’s come out and said that publicly, ‘I do not want to fight Tyson until next year’.”

And when it came to Bellew’s claim that Joshua is managed and promoted ‘brilliantly’ and won’t accept the proposed 60/40 purse split, Fury disagreed once again.

“Bellew’s saying, ‘Oh, people like Anthony Joshua sell out tickets’. Who does he think he’s talking to?

“I’ve got the highest attending crowd in the history of the UK – 94,000, on my own! However, AJ and his mate, Eddie Hearn, are both happy with the 40 per cent.”

The fight is yet to be confirmed, but there were promising updates from Eddie Hearn and allegedly on talkSPORT on Tuesday.

But the Gypsy King is already making bold predictions for the fight.

“To be honest with you, the two big, giant heavyweights in the ring, anything can happen at any given moment when you’ve got two men as big as we are swinging at each other,” he said.

“However, I’ve always said what happens when I fight Joshua, he gets cleaned out.

“I say within six, seven rounds – if he lasts that long.”

[big lennox]

Fury now saying 3rd December, take it leave it. How tedious.

[tony1234]

If Joshua takes a November/December fight he sees it as his pension fight and knows he doesn't have much chance or desire and has a ready made excuse if he loses.
If he fights Fury after a proper prep or even Whyte, Chisora etc after a proper prep and loses he is done for. The DAZN deal will be worthless and he has nothing left.
He may as well cash his chips in with the Fury fight whilst there is still some money left on the table before people are too skint to pay to see him fight.