BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Ruiz vs. Ortiz

[Ruthless-RKO]

Most people will aggressively disagree and loudly proclaim I'm "WRONG", but that's my opinion.

You're entitled to your opinion. Most of what you wrote is facts to be fair..

[Ruthless-RKO]

Yeah but in that case you have 4 options vs 1.

What do you mean?

4 options being 9,10,11, 1 or below vs. remain 8?

It would be simple to go with the majority..

[cpx2]

I usually look at it as a whole.

Just as many are saying he shouldn't remain at 8 (in Ortiz's case)..

Usually best to find a middle..

I think in an instance like this it'd be better to either go with the majority, or make a new poll asking whether Ortiz should remain at 8 or be dropped down (just those two options). If the latter wins, then you ask whether he should go to 9, 10, 11, or 12/below (or however is best to do it).

[margaret thatcher]

we have 15 voting for him to be 10 or lower, 11 voting for him to stay at 8

clearly this works out to him dropping


most voters think he should be no higher than 10

[margaret thatcher]

I usually look at it as a whole.

Just as many are saying he shouldn't remain at 8 (in Ortiz's case)..

Usually best to find a middle..

I think in an instance like this it'd be better to either go with the majority, or make a new poll asking whether Ortiz should remain at 8 or be dropped down (just those two options). If the latter wins, then you ask whether he should go to 9, 10, 11, or 12/below (or however is best to do it).

why bother with that when most voters already voted for him to drop?

15 votes: 10 or below
11 votes: stay at 8

having 3 votes on one guy's rating is a bit tedious and i think ppl will lose interest

[Ruthless-RKO]

having 3 votes on one guy's rating is a bit tedious and i think ppl will lose interest

Yeh, no need for endless polls.. We'll be here for ages.

Of course, no matter where he goes, whether he remains or drops however many places, not everyone is gonna agree,, But then again, not everyone agrees with many P4P list from Ring, TBRB or ESPN etc.. That's the whole point.

TBRB have dropped Ortiz only one place, to go below Wallin..

C Oleksandr Usyk
1 Anthony Joshua
2 Deontay Wilder
3 Andy Ruiz Jr.
4 Joseph Parker
5 Joe Joyce
6 Dillian Whyte
7 Otto Wallin
8 Luis Ortiz
9 Michael Hunter
10 Martin Bakole

The Ring actually entered Zhang in at #10 on the back of his controversial loss against Hrg.

[gregregegg]

I usually look at it as a whole.

Just as many are saying he shouldn't remain at 8 (in Ortiz's case)..

Usually best to find a middle..

I think in an instance like this it'd be better to either go with the majority, or make a new poll asking whether Ortiz should remain at 8 or be dropped down (just those two options). If the latter wins, then you ask whether he should go to 9, 10, 11, or 12/below (or however is best to do it).

Can’t you just average the votes? And for the exercise just count 12/bellow as 12 (big generous to Ortiz but thats fair.

11x8ths
4x10ths
2x 11ths
9x12ths

258/26 = basically 10.

So by my calculation he should move to 10th.

[joshj909]

I usually look at it as a whole.

Just as many are saying he shouldn't remain at 8 (in Ortiz's case)..

Usually best to find a middle..

I think in an instance like this it'd be better to either go with the majority, or make a new poll asking whether Ortiz should remain at 8 or be dropped down (just those two options). If the latter wins, then you ask whether he should go to 9, 10, 11, or 12/below (or however is best to do it).

Can’t you just average the votes? And for the exercise just count 12/bellow as 12 (big generous to Ortiz but thats fair.

11x8ths
4x10ths
2x 11ths
9x12ths

258/26 = basically 10.

So by my calculation he should move to 10th.

I know Dag always did the median

[Ruthless-RKO]

I think in an instance like this it'd be better to either go with the majority, or make a new poll asking whether Ortiz should remain at 8 or be dropped down (just those two options). If the latter wins, then you ask whether he should go to 9, 10, 11, or 12/below (or however is best to do it).

Can’t you just average the votes? And for the exercise just count 12/bellow as 12 (big generous to Ortiz but thats fair.

11x8ths
4x10ths
2x 11ths
9x12ths

258/26 = basically 10.

So by my calculation he should move to 10th.

I know Dag always did the median

That’s what I try to go for.

[cpx2]

Median sounds good. Presume Makhmudov-Takam will be the next one we look at, and then Joyce-Parker after that?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Median sounds good. Presume Makhmudov-Takam will be the next one we look at, and then Joyce-Parker after that?

Yeh. Those are the next bouts..

[oogiebe]

Median sounds good. Presume Makhmudov-Takam will be the next one we look at, and then Joyce-Parker after that?

Yeh. Those are the next bouts..

So we'll have ample opportunity to affect the rankings.

[gregregegg]

I think in an instance like this it'd be better to either go with the majority, or make a new poll asking whether Ortiz should remain at 8 or be dropped down (just those two options). If the latter wins, then you ask whether he should go to 9, 10, 11, or 12/below (or however is best to do it).

Can’t you just average the votes? And for the exercise just count 12/bellow as 12 (big generous to Ortiz but thats fair.

11x8ths
4x10ths
2x 11ths
9x12ths

258/26 = basically 10.

So by my calculation he should move to 10th.

I know Dag always did the median

Medians great. Just not the mode.

Median is also 10th.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Probably wrap this up soon..

Anyone want to edit their picks..

keep it one vote per boxer please..

[Finkel]

Probably wrap this up soon..

Anyone want to edit their picks..

keep it one vote per boxer please..

I was really tempted to tick all the boxes just now.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Probably wrap this up soon..

Anyone want to edit their picks..

keep it one vote per boxer please..

I was really tempted to tick all the boxes just now.

You can only tick 2..

[CMCanavessi]

having 3 votes on one guy's rating is a bit tedious and i think ppl will lose interest

Yeh, no need for endless polls.. We'll be here for ages.

Of course, no matter where he goes, whether he remains or drops however many places, not everyone is gonna agree,, But then again, not everyone agrees with many P4P list from Ring, TBRB or ESPN etc.. That's the whole point.

TBRB have dropped Ortiz only one place, to go below Wallin..

C Oleksandr Usyk
1 Anthony Joshua
2 Deontay Wilder
3 Andy Ruiz Jr.
4 Joseph Parker
5 Joe Joyce
6 Dillian Whyte
7 Otto Wallin
8 Luis Ortiz
9 Michael Hunter
10 Martin Bakole

The Ring actually entered Zhang in at #10 on the back of his controversial loss against Hrg.

I respect TBRB and I think they do quite a good job, overall. However, I can't understand why they have Hunter at number 9.

[margaret thatcher]

agree,, he's not even top 15 atm for me

transnational is good overall but always has a couple of weird rankings, i remember them having nate gallimore as like #3 in the world at one point, dominic bosel at like 5th

[gregregegg]

Over the last 4 years Hunter beat Bakolie and Kuzman and probably should of beat pre Covid povetkin. Done fuk all since and I agree he is too high but I can see the justification.

Otto is the weird one for me. Beat breazeal that’s it. For his entire career. Sure he cut fury, but scoring wise ottos fight with soko was much closer than his fight with fury.

[Heretic]

I think that Ortiz is pretty solid win at HW. One of the best scalps this year that got taken. Ruiz needed the good beard to get the win. Took couple of heavy and clean shots but was not too troubled by them.

I voted Ruiz up to 4. I had him winning the Parker fight way back when it happened. The win over Joshua is a big deal too. I see no problem moving him above Parker.

Ortiz is starting to show that age a bit. Chin and legs are starting to give. Still high level operator at HW but I feel like this fight should move him down a bit. My vote was to 10.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The vote is over.

Changes: Ruiz moves up one place to #5 and Ortiz drops a couple places to #10.

Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

2. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 2(2) 1 - next fight: 15.10.2022 vs. Robert Helenius - 31(20) 3(2) 0 - (#12)

4. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 2(0) 0 - next fight: 24.09.2022 vs. Joe Joyce - 14(13) 0 0 - (#8)

5. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Joe Joyce - 14(13) 0 0 - next fight: 24.09.2022 vs. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 2(0) 0 - (#5)

8. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Robert Helenius - 31(20) 3(2) 0 - next fight: 15.10.2022 vs. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 2(2) 1 - (#3)

13. Frank Sanchez - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: 15.10.2022 vs. Carlos Negron - 25(20) 3(3) 0 - (unranked)

14. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

[Ruthless-RKO]

That's that then.. Will be back in a week after Mak vs. Tak.

Who'd have thought Chisora would have cracked our top 10..

Only 9 months ago, he was on his way out of the top 15.

[CMCanavessi]

Chisora lost to Pulev and now he's top 8...

[margaret thatcher]

he beat him last fight and lost to him 6 years ago. no one below chisora has a win over a currently ranked fighter

[Ruthless-RKO]

he beat him last fight and lost to him 6 years ago

I think he meant as in some people had Pulev beating him 2nd time around too..