40th Anniversary of Salvador Sanchez's Last Fight

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Ambling Alp II wrote: 12 Sep 2022, 10:35 Who was better, Tommy Burns or George Foreman?
Big George was better because of his comeback and to win a piece of the heavyweight crown again. That's all.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 10 Sep 2022, 20:24 Better resume > Number title defenses. By a mile.
Sánchez was better and would have slapped Pedroza around but you are peeing into hurricane force winds with Elmer on this one. You’d be better off trying to convince Kronky that the COVID vaccine doesn’t cause AIDS
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:lol: That is actually a good comparison.
I know how elmer is. His favorites are always the best. He cherry picks certain things (in this case the number of title defenses) and makes it out to be a huge deal. He ignores title defenses in other situations.
He simply moves his criteria around to make his guy look better.

Foreman was better than Burns because of the comeback? So if Foreman wouldn't have made a comeback, Burns should be rated higher?

Burns had a lot more title defenses than Foreman. If the number of title defenses were really that important, than he would have Burns ahead of Foreman.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 13 Sep 2022, 10:50 :lol: That is actually a good comparison.
I know how elmer is. His favorites are always the best. He cherry picks certain things (in this case the number of title defenses) and makes it out to be a huge deal. He ignores title defenses in other situations.
He simply moves his criteria around to make his guy look better.

Foreman was better than Burns because of the comeback? So if Foreman wouldn't have made a comeback, Burns should be rated higher?

Burns had a lot more title defenses than Foreman. If the number of title defenses were really that important, than he would have Burns ahead of Foreman.
And yes. Tommy Burns was better than George Foreman. Foreman became GREAT after he came back to the ring after a ten-year layoff and win a piece of the heavyweight title back. It was a great achievement at age 45.

If Foreman would have not win back the heavyweight crown, believe me, the boxing experts would have not rate him that high in the heavyweight division all-time rankings, let alone in the top 100 greatest boxers pound per pound of all-time.

Before that, he was considered a brute, with a devastating punching power with no stamina that was schooled by the great Muhammad Ali and then Jimmy Young.

I know about the great Salvador Sanchez. I have never said that the great Eusebio Pedroza was better, even though he is one of my favorite fighters. I have said that Sanchez had a better resume because fought the better fighters that including himself, did not want one piece of Pedroza. Pedroza had more title defenses. More in the opponent's turf than Sanchez. Why you don't give a man his due when all he did defended his crown for 7 long years and 20 title defenses?

Saying that Sanchez was "clearly better" is an aberration. Sanchez never fought Pedroza. He ducked him, if you want to know my feelings about that.

I believe that Sanchez and Pedroza were two of the top 10 greatest featherweight fighters ever. At least some people agree with that. And the rankings is not that far away. I can say that Sanchez at featherweight all-time rankings is between 3 and 6. Pedroza about from 7 to 10 slot. Both were completely gifted fighters. Both to me, were more complete than the overrated great Sugar Ray Robinson that many believe that he is the most complete fighter of all-time. How could Robinson be the most complete fighter ever if he could not fight inside? To me, Sanchez and Pedroza were more complete boxers than the great Sugar Ray Leonard, too.

It's just that Sugar Ray was the American media's fighter. Sanchez had to earned it. And Pedroza in that stance, was hated.

I rate fighters accordingly. Not because of title defenses, which is a lot of weight on the subject, but by other aspects of the career of the fighters.
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Re: 40th Anniversary of Salvador Sanchez's Last Fight

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Saying that Sanchez was "clearly better" is an aberration. (apparently you don't what the word aberration means.)

-Tommy Burns was better than George Foreman if it wasn't for Foreman's comeback.
-Pedroza was more complete than Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard.
-Sanchez ducked Pedroza.
-Robinson could not fight on the inside and was overrated.
-Ray Leonard was not a real fighter.

Wow. I mean WOW.
Thank you for all of your valuable information.
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Re: 40th Anniversary of Salvador Sanchez's Last Fight

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Ambling Alp II wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 10:37 Saying that Sanchez was "clearly better" is an aberration. (apparently you don't what the word aberration means.)

-Tommy Burns was better than George Foreman if it wasn't for Foreman's comeback.
-Pedroza was more complete than Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard.
-Sanchez ducked Pedroza.
-Robinson could not fight on the inside and was overrated.
-Ray Leonard was not a real fighter.

Wow. I mean WOW.
Thank you for all of your valuable information.
Do you expect anything else from Boxrec's own version of Skip Bayless???
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Don't flatter him that much, Boxrec's version of Amy Schumer more like. Just bad comedy.
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Re: 40th Anniversary of Salvador Sanchez's Last Fight

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tiny_acres wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 10:50
Ambling Alp II wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 10:37 Saying that Sanchez was "clearly better" is an aberration. (apparently you don't what the word aberration means.)

-Tommy Burns was better than George Foreman if it wasn't for Foreman's comeback.
-Pedroza was more complete than Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard.
-Sanchez ducked Pedroza.
-Robinson could not fight on the inside and was overrated.
-Ray Leonard was not a real fighter.

Wow. I mean WOW.
Thank you for all of your valuable information.
Do you expect anything else from Boxrec's own version of Skip Bayless???
And what I have said that it is not true. That's what I see. What is the statement that you don't agree with?
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Re: 40th Anniversary of Salvador Sanchez's Last Fight

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Jaywheel wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 11:18 Don't flatter him that much, Boxrec's version of Amy Schumer more like. Just bad comedy.
You don't know a thing about boxing. Why follow your folly?
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Re: 40th Anniversary of Salvador Sanchez's Last Fight

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Jaywheel wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 11:18 Don't flatter him that much, Boxrec's version of Amy Schumer more like. Just bad comedy.
Being compared to Skip Bayless is far from a compliment. Skip only talks to hear himself talk. No different than Elmer
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Re: 40th Anniversary of Salvador Sanchez's Last Fight

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tiny_acres wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 23:07
Jaywheel wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 11:18 Don't flatter him that much, Boxrec's version of Amy Schumer more like. Just bad comedy.
Being compared to Skip Bayless is far from a compliment. Skip only talks to hear himself talk. No different than Elmer
And what statement that I have done you didn't like. Let's talk about it.
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Re: 40th Anniversary of Salvador Sanchez's Last Fight

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elmersalsa wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 23:03
Jaywheel wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 11:18 Don't flatter him that much, Boxrec's version of Amy Schumer more like. Just bad comedy.
You don't know a thing about boxing. Why follow your folly?
:zzz:
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