mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 16:36
What has Tyson got to do with this? Also, Usyk isn't coming off a long break.
The thread is called Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua. And Fury has ruled Usyk out as his next opponent so if Usyk can’t fight him then Wilder is a decent replacement.
That’s funny.
What has Tyson got to do with a thread that has his name on it.
This would be an incredibly risky fight for Fury. Much like it would have been for Joshua in the time period talked about pre-Wilder.
I mean, sure Fury is revelling in the fact that he is now the A-side and can dictate purse split and a rematch clause for himself, but not for Joshua. That has got to feel good just to open the Nego's with Eddie with luster in. And Joshua side probably called their bluff by instantly accepting. And for that, I don't think this is happening. I just think this is Fury rubbing it in the face of team Joshua after the splits and clauses when they previously went to the table.
But honestly, I hope this doesn't happen and we just get Fury vs Usyk. That itself would be a two-fight / potential trilogy deal which takes up the next few years for each. Whether that finishes 2-0 or 2-1, both can go into the sunset with alot more money and the 1-2 of the era established.
Or they can have a few "past their peak" lower quality fights after which doesn't really have an effect on how any one rates them, but brings more paydays.
Basically this doesn't need to happen, and shouldn't right now. Better we get the Usyk-Fury fights and then a big money Joshua-Wilder fight.
But if it does, I reckon Joshua could surprise him. He can maintain those body shots for more than a round which Wilder done. And that could swing the fight as I don't think Fury has the belly to take consistent power bombardment there.
tonyevs wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 07:24
I don't think Fury can be criticised at all if he faces Joshua next.
Whilst it would be nice to know who is top at the moment .. facing Joshua will build perfectly towards that.
If Fury beats Joshua we get a clear top 2 guys.
If Joshua beats Fury we know Usyk is top ànd Fury is 3rd.
Uysk is now going to box Wilder, so I don't think we will ever get Fury vs Uysk
Usyk is making sure he remains right in the mix .
Fury v Aj with a rematch clause could tie up the other belt / undisputed fight for a year .
So why should he wait around - he has always said Wilder would be an easy win for him - and if this proves to be the case then it creates even more demand for the Fury fight .
mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 16:36
What has Tyson got to do with this? Also, Usyk isn't coming off a long break.
Imagine Usyk's frustration, if Helenius wins Wilder, while Fury fights Joshua in December and KOs him.
ummm....wouldnt his frustration be if helenius kos wilder and joshua then kos fury? because then it knocks back both big fight options for him. helenius-usyk and aj-usyk 3 just arent that interesting
the big fight now is fury-usyk, so i dont really see the frustration in your scenario. it would just keep that alive. i guess you werent willing to entertain your man fury losing even in imaginary scenarios
mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 16:36
What has Tyson got to do with this? Also, Usyk isn't coming off a long break.
Imagine Usyk's frustration, if Helenius wins Wilder, while Fury fights Joshua in December and KOs him.
ummm....wouldnt his frustration be if helenius kos wilder and joshua then kos fury? because then it knocks back both big fight options for him. helenius-usyk and aj-usyk 3 just arent that interesting
the big fight now is fury-usyk, so i dont really see the frustration in your scenario. it would just keep that alive. i guess you werent willing to entertain your man fury losing even in imaginary scenarios
Team Usyk seems to be not so happy with Fury not waiting for them and trying to make even more money without them, since they talk about the Wilder fight. Fury's commercial success will only make it harder for Usyk to demand more. So, if Fury KOs Joshua, he'll be a huuuge side A vs Usyk, even bigger than now.
Imagine Usyk's frustration, if Helenius wins Wilder, while Fury fights Joshua in December and KOs him.
ummm....wouldnt his frustration be if helenius kos wilder and joshua then kos fury? because then it knocks back both big fight options for him. helenius-usyk and aj-usyk 3 just arent that interesting
the big fight now is fury-usyk, so i dont really see the frustration in your scenario. it would just keep that alive. i guess you werent willing to entertain your man fury losing even in imaginary scenarios
Team Usyk seems to be not so happy with Fury not waiting for them and trying to make even more money without them, since they talk about the Wilder fight. Fury's commercial success will only make it harder for Usyk to demand more. So, if Fury KOs Joshua, he'll be a huuuge side A vs Usyk, even bigger than now.
I think Uysk is probably fed up of being d*cked a round by Fury. Uysk had negotiations, signed to fight him, only for Fury to fight the flat footed Whyte instead.
The fight is now easy to make as Uysk is not tied to a TV company, and yet, Fury is boxing the loser instead of the winner of the AJ - Uysk fights. For whatever reason, Fury is not keen on facing Uysk. That much is very clear
ummm....wouldnt his frustration be if helenius kos wilder and joshua then kos fury? because then it knocks back both big fight options for him. helenius-usyk and aj-usyk 3 just arent that interesting
the big fight now is fury-usyk, so i dont really see the frustration in your scenario. it would just keep that alive. i guess you werent willing to entertain your man fury losing even in imaginary scenarios
Team Usyk seems to be not so happy with Fury not waiting for them and trying to make even more money without them, since they talk about the Wilder fight. Fury's commercial success will only make it harder for Usyk to demand more. So, if Fury KOs Joshua, he'll be a huuuge side A vs Usyk, even bigger than now.
I think Uysk is probably fed up of being d*cked a round by Fury. Uysk had negotiations, signed to fight him, only for Fury to fight the flat footed Whyte instead.
The fight is now easy to make as Uysk is not tied to a TV company, and yet, Fury is boxing the loser instead of the winner of the AJ - Uysk fights. For whatever reason, Fury is not keen on facing Uysk. That much is very clear
I think the reason is VERY CLEAR , Fury really does'nt fancy his chances with Usyk
Imagine Usyk's frustration, if Helenius wins Wilder, while Fury fights Joshua in December and KOs him.
ummm....wouldnt his frustration be if helenius kos wilder and joshua then kos fury? because then it knocks back both big fight options for him. helenius-usyk and aj-usyk 3 just arent that interesting
the big fight now is fury-usyk, so i dont really see the frustration in your scenario. it would just keep that alive. i guess you werent willing to entertain your man fury losing even in imaginary scenarios
Team Usyk seems to be not so happy with Fury not waiting for them and trying to make even more money without them, since they talk about the Wilder fight. Fury's commercial success will only make it harder for Usyk to demand more. So, if Fury KOs Joshua, he'll be a huuuge side A vs Usyk, even bigger than now.
I guess that is the pro-Fury way of looking at it
The pro-Usyk way of looking at it is that Fury is keen to avoid Usyk and looking to tie himself up for the next 12-18mths fighting a guy Usyk has beaten 2x before. That Fury is more interested in his celebrity than proving who is number 1 at heavyweight. That if Fury loses, and gets knocked out by Joshua it will prove what a big fat dosser Fury was after all.
The unbiased way of looking at it would be that Usyk said he isn`t ready until early 2023 - and Fury wants to fight in December 2022 and the fight that makes him the most money is Joshua ... thats the way I`m seeing it anyways.
Imagine Usyk's frustration, if Helenius wins Wilder, while Fury fights Joshua in December and KOs him.
ummm....wouldnt his frustration be if helenius kos wilder and joshua then kos fury? because then it knocks back both big fight options for him. helenius-usyk and aj-usyk 3 just arent that interesting
the big fight now is fury-usyk, so i dont really see the frustration in your scenario. it would just keep that alive. i guess you werent willing to entertain your man fury losing even in imaginary scenarios
Team Usyk seems to be not so happy with Fury not waiting for them and trying to make even more money without them, since they talk about the Wilder fight. Fury's commercial success will only make it harder for Usyk to demand more. So, if Fury KOs Joshua, he'll be a huuuge side A vs Usyk, even bigger than now.
bruh, nothing would devalue usyk's money vs fury more than fury losing to aj. then we'd have helly-usyk, usyk vs a losing fury, and usyk-aj 3, all of which are smaller fights than if fury beats josh
clearly the worst case for usyk is if helenius and joshua win. it's okay, its just hypothetical talk, it doesnt mean fury would actually lose to joshua
Not sure really how a Fury win over Joshua would make Fury even more of an A side in the Usyk fight - Fury is already considered the #1 in the division and Usyk considered the only man that can really beat him - if Fury beats Joshua that will not change any of that - but what happens if Joshua beats Fury (and twice) - I think Usyk vs AJ 3 is quite a tough sell really (well not to the fans who will spend the money regardless of who AJ fights)- I think mentally AJ is a mile off from fighting Usyk - I think he knows he can't beat him and lets be honest at most he won 5 out of 24 rounds and in both fights AJ had all the cards on his side of the table.
stujones wrote: ↑17 Sep 2022, 14:21
Not sure really how a Fury win over Joshua would make Fury even more of an A side in the Usyk fight - Fury is already considered the #1 in the division and Usyk considered the only man that can really beat him - if Fury beats Joshua that will not change any of that - but what happens if Joshua beats Fury (and twice) - I think Usyk vs AJ 3 is quite a tough sell really (well not to the fans who will spend the money regardless of who AJ fights)- I think mentally AJ is a mile off from fighting Usyk - I think he knows he can't beat him and lets be honest at most he won 5 out of 24 rounds and in both fights AJ had all the cards on his side of the table.
youre right, and of course any person looking at this rationally knows that an undefeated fury-usyk is a bigger fight than usyk-josh 3
