BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Makhmudov vs. Takam

[Ruthless-RKO]

Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

2. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 2(2) 1 - next fight: 15.10.2022 vs. Robert Helenius - 31(20) 3(2) 0 - (#12)

4. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 2(0) 0 - next fight: 24.09.2022 vs. Joe Joyce - 14(13) 0 0 - (#8)

5. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Joe Joyce - 14(13) 0 0 - next fight: 24.09.2022 vs. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 2(0) 0 - (#5)

8. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Robert Helenius - 31(20) 3(2) 0 - next fight: 15.10.2022 vs. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 2(2) 1 - (#3)

13. Frank Sanchez - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: 15.10.2022 vs. Carlos Negron - 25(20) 3(3) 0 - (unranked)

14. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

Questions: How is the ranking affected following Arslanbek Makhmudov's unanimous decision win over Carlos Takam?

[Ruthless-RKO]

If he's voted in, we'll have a separate vote on who he should replace.

But feel free to mention in the comments..

[CMCanavessi]

14. He showed more than Hrgovic against a better and more proved fighter.

[Ruthless-RKO]

14. He showed more than Hrgovic against a better and more proved fighter.

So would you move move Pulev to #15 or Move him out.

[Lackeos]

If he's voted in, we'll have a separate vote on who he should replace.

But feel free to mention in the comments..

14. He showed more than Hrgovic against a better and more proved fighter.

So would you move move Pulev to #15 or Move him out.

Bro. Respectfully, I think maybe you smoked some crack or something. When a fighter gets voted-in at X, everyone at or below X shifts down 1 rank and the #15 fighter moves out. You're acting like we could just vote Makhmudov in at X and then vote out literally anyone who's currently in the top 15. Not sure if you're just trying too hard to keep Hrgovic in the top 15, or if you totally forgot how rankings work.

If people wanted some other fighter out instead of Hrgovic, they wouldn't have ranked Hrgovic at #15 in his last vote four weeks ago. They didn't rank him above Pulev, Sanchez, or anyone else in the top 14. If they wanted Sanchez up for elimination, they wouldn't have voted Pulev below him 2 months ago. The people have already spoken.

[Ruthless-RKO]

You wouldn’t just vote anyone out though. I don’t expect anyone to kick Whyte out for example.

Pulev’s last fight was a loss.

Hrg’s last fight was a win.

I know how rankings work.

Just kicking up a debate.

[CMCanavessi]

14. He showed more than Hrgovic against a better and more proved fighter.

So would you move move Pulev to #15 or Move him out.

Yes, considering that I saw pulev as the winner and Hrgovic as the loser of their respective figths.

[DrDuke]

Mak's performance was bad against the guy out of the list. Remains out.

[KiwiRider]

Takam is 41, and faded to buggery and back.
It's a meaningless win as far as entry to the top #15.
If he had stopped him in less than 6 like Joyce, or in 8 like Del Boy did a whole 4 years ago.
No.
To go the distance, and make it fairly close does not impress me at all.

[pound per pound]

Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

2. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 2(2) 1 - next fight: 15.10.2022 vs. Robert Helenius - 31(20) 3(2) 0 - (#12)

4. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 2(0) 0 - next fight: 24.09.2022 vs. Joe Joyce - 14(13) 0 0 - (#8)

5. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Joe Joyce - 14(13) 0 0 - next fight: 24.09.2022 vs. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 2(0) 0 - (#5)

8. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Robert Helenius - 31(20) 3(2) 0 - next fight: 15.10.2022 vs. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 2(2) 1 - (#3)

13. Frank Sanchez - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: 15.10.2022 vs. Carlos Negron - 25(20) 3(3) 0 - (unranked)

14. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

Questions: How is the ranking affected following Arslanbek Makhmudov's unanimous decision win over Carlos Takam?

Ortiz doesn't belong in the too 15. He's too old and was over rated to begin with.

[Perkin Warbeck]

Drop Pulev out, he's no longer a real contender.

Makhmudov in at #15, Hrgovic at #14.

[joshj909]

In at 15.

Might be worth refreshing the rankings at some point if people have issues with current guys. No point selecting individuals to move out if they haven't fought recently.

[Ruthless-RKO]

In at 15.

Might be worth refreshing the rankings at some point if people have issues with current guys. No point selecting individuals to move out if they haven't fought recently.

To be fair. No one will ever be fully happy with any rankings.

Some have favourites. Some have different ways of a selection process etc.

The Ring, ESPN and TBRB rankings get stick too.

As long as we’re all somewhat at peace with the rankings. I think we’ll be fine.

We got off the majority here anyway.. maybe more posters should get involved.

I don’t take these rankings to heart. I know some do.

For me, it’s a bit of debating and hearing different views and seeing what other posters think.

[CMCanavessi]

Mak's performance was bad against the guy out of the list. Remains out.

And where on the list is Zhang?

[CMCanavessi]

Ortiz doesn't belong in the too 15. He's too old and was over rated to begin with.

A lot of us saw him beat the guy in #5 though...

[Ruthless-RKO]

Mak's performance was bad against the guy out of the list. Remains out.

And where on the list is Zhang?

There was a lot of talk that the winner of Hrgovic-Zhang would enter.

Unfortunately. Wasn’t a clear win. Was rather controversial.

[CMCanavessi]

Mak's performance was bad against the guy out of the list. Remains out.

And where on the list is Zhang?

There was a lot of talk that the winner of Hrgovic-Zhang would enter.

Unfortunately. Wasn’t a clear win. Was rather controversial.

Well, that's kind of exactly my point. He's complaining that Mak did bad against a guy that's not on the list (by doing bad means winning with 2 knockdowns), but yet Hrgovic was dropped by Zhang and won a fight that a lot of ppl saw him lose, yet was voted in. Makes absolutely no sense.

And ofc I didn't like Mak's performance yesterday, but we need a bit of consistency.

[gregregegg]

If mak gets voted in it has to be hrg that’s dropped. 15 always drops off when a new inclusion, unless the new inclusion beat someone on the rankings and dropped them.

It’s painful at the bottom of the heavyweights, mak basically went even with takem, hrg basicaly went even with zhang, pulev basicaly went even with chisora. Still can’t understand how Otto is on the list… but whatever.

Mak to 15 hrg out.

That entire bottom 7 or 8 guys could be leapfrogged by 1 decent conclusive win from anyone.

[ewenhay]

Maybe Fury should be restored to the rankings?

Seems a bit premature to drop him while he still holds the wbc belt?

Going to look a bit strange in this list when it states Joshua (next fight v Fury, WBC belt holder, unranked)

[DrDuke]

Mak's performance was bad against the guy out of the list. Remains out.

And where on the list is Zhang?

And where I said, that Hrgovic belonged?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Maybe Fury should be restored to the rankings?

Seems a bit premature to drop him while he still holds the wbc belt?

Going to look a bit strange in this list when it states Joshua (next fight v Fury, WBC belt holder, unranked)

The way it stands Mak ain’t entering. But we could have a vote if Fury-AJ gets confirmed.

That would then drop Hrg out most likely.

We weren’t the only to drop him.

[oogiebe]

I still love Big Mak, but he's not even close to top 15.

[KiwiRider]

I still love Big Mak, but he's not even close to top 15.

Agree Oogs,
I like the guy too, and I'm going to keep an open mind as it msy have been an off night.
But 41 year old shop worn Takem

[gregregegg]

I still love Big Mak, but he's not even close to top 15.

I dont belive he is top 15 truely either. But i do belive he just did enough to overtake hrgovic.

he beat takem (it was close but 95+% agree)
Hrgovic "beat" zhang (it was close but 80ish% think he lost)

They have zero significant wins outside of that but if i were to have to pick id give macs resume a slight edge (still trash).

So the question is zhang or takem... whos better?... i personaly think takem is better than zhang. and in there best comparison fight against jerry forrest, takem did much better. so actualy beating takem is better than "beating" zhang...

So based on all that, although i think Mak is absolutly not good I think he deserves to leapfrog above hrgovic.

[margaret thatcher]

I still love Big Mak, but he's not even close to top 15.

he didnt look good, but i mean the division is so shallow that surely he cant be too far off top 15