Canelo want usyk!

[Bandog]

When spence beats someone who outweighs him by 20 pounds and is 3 inches taller he can lay a claim to #1 p4p. Until then it is usyk

Moving a goal post that is nearly impossible to achieve is one reason why the argument of pfp is silly, but entertaining.

When I think in terms of pfp, I try to imagine the guys I'm comparing being nearly identical in weight at least, still possessing the skills they have? Then who would win? Imagine a 220 lb ripped prime Spence or Crawford vs Usyk? Or them currently vs a 147lb Usyk?

Like I said, no realistic or scientific arguments to support opinions, but like assholes, we all have them.

[squiggy]

Why is it moving the goal posts to just describe the thing that the guy just accomplished?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Moving a goal post is if i said: spence beats crawford and then hes #1

Then he beats crawford andn
i say: crawford was shot, lets see him beat charlo then hes #1

Stating a fact, that usyk moved up in weight (where pounds in the pound for pound is derived from) and beat someone he was a huge underdog against is a fact that i used to argue my opinion

[caldo2025]

There’s no denying that Errol Spence Jr. is a fantastic fighter and his ability to recover from his recent serious injuries is remarkable.

However, I don’t think he’s done enough to be considered the very best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

In my mind Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue are more deserving candidates to be owning that status.

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree, because the pound-for-pound rankings are mythical in nature and not to be taken too seriously.

Usyk and Inoue have a resume filled with nothing. Neither should be in the top 10 based on resume. Laughable. Just bc it’s a list based on opinion doesn’t mean you can just pluck anyone in and say it’s your opinion. You need to have some kind of basis for it numbnuts. Man, you just suck at this. Why can’t you just watch football and leave this stuff to the men. You belong in the kitchen with the girls and dishes while the men undo the pants and watch tv on the couch.

Lol nothing? Which 10 fighters you can put higher than Usyk? You can easily put Usyk at number 1 P4P considering Canelo took recent one sided loss

No, I can’t easily just put Usyk in as top P4P right now. Why? Because he barely defeated AJ who got knocked out by Ruiz, a marginally good heavyweight thst should have never held a belt of that level. Because AJ defeated a 40 year old great after he already proved to be done after falling flat with Fury. Usyk looked awful to me yesterday against a guy that had dead legs the last 4 rounds and still couldn’t get him out of there and almost lost the damn fight.

Measure Usyk’s performance yesterday to any fight you want to of Terrance Crawford’s or Spence Jr’s. We are talking about skill levels out of this world to whatever that was yesterday. Same with Inoue. He also barely defeated a done fighter approaching 40 without any other signature wins yet. So no. Neither of those guys belong on my list via the eye test or on resume merit. Fury is another one not on my list. Because he beat Wilder twice? Wilder is not a great boxer and never will be. You fans bewilder me with how high you rate fighters for absolutely no good reason. None of those 3 have demonstrated shiit to me.

[ewenhay]

Usyk and Inoue have a resume filled with nothing. Neither should be in the top 10 based on resume. Laughable. Just bc it’s a list based on opinion doesn’t mean you can just pluck anyone in and say it’s your opinion. You need to have some kind of basis for it numbnuts. Man, you just suck at this. Why can’t you just watch football and leave this stuff to the men. You belong in the kitchen with the girls and dishes while the men undo the pants and watch tv on the couch.

Lol nothing? Which 10 fighters you can put higher than Usyk? You can easily put Usyk at number 1 P4P considering Canelo took recent one sided loss

No, I can’t easily just put Usyk in as top P4P right now. Why? Because he barely defeated AJ who got knocked out by Ruiz, a marginally good heavyweight thst should have never held a belt of that level. Because AJ defeated a 40 year old great after he already proved to be done after falling flat with Fury. Usyk looked awful to me yesterday against a guy that had dead legs the last 4 rounds and still couldn’t get him out of there and almost lost the damn fight.

Measure Usyk’s performance yesterday to any fight you want to of Terrance Crawford’s or Spence Jr’s. We are talking about skill levels out of this world to whatever that was yesterday. Same with Inoue. He also barely defeated a done fighter approaching 40 without any other signature wins yet. So no. Neither of those guys belong on my list via the eye test or on resume merit. Fury is another one not on my list. Because he beat Wilder twice? Wilder is not a great boxer and never will be. You fans bewilder me with how high you rate fighters for absolutely no good reason. None of those 3 have demonstrated shiit to me.

The big guys are never going to look as light on their feet or as fast as the smaller guys though.

[margaret thatcher]

Why is it moving the goal posts to just describe the thing that the guy just accomplished?

it's not, banny just isnt too bright and doesnt understand most things

[Cent0089]

Usyk and Inoue have a resume filled with nothing. Neither should be in the top 10 based on resume. Laughable. Just bc it’s a list based on opinion doesn’t mean you can just pluck anyone in and say it’s your opinion. You need to have some kind of basis for it numbnuts. Man, you just suck at this. Why can’t you just watch football and leave this stuff to the men. You belong in the kitchen with the girls and dishes while the men undo the pants and watch tv on the couch.

Lol nothing? Which 10 fighters you can put higher than Usyk? You can easily put Usyk at number 1 P4P considering Canelo took recent one sided loss

No, I can’t easily just put Usyk in as top P4P right now. Why? Because he barely defeated AJ who got knocked out by Ruiz, a marginally good heavyweight thst should have never held a belt of that level. Because AJ defeated a 40 year old great after he already proved to be done after falling flat with Fury. Usyk looked awful to me yesterday against a guy that had dead legs the last 4 rounds and still couldn’t get him out of there and almost lost the damn fight.

Measure Usyk’s performance yesterday to any fight you want to of Terrance Crawford’s or Spence Jr’s. We are talking about skill levels out of this world to whatever that was yesterday. Same with Inoue. He also barely defeated a done fighter approaching 40 without any other signature wins yet. So no. Neither of those guys belong on my list via the eye test or on resume merit. Fury is another one not on my list. Because he beat Wilder twice? Wilder is not a great boxer and never will be. You fans bewilder me with how high you rate fighters for absolutely no good reason. None of those 3 have demonstrated shiit to me.

So i understand you are putting Crawford and Spence above Usyk and Fury right? Usyk fight with Joshua was not closer than Spence vs Porter

[caldo2025]

Lol nothing? Which 10 fighters you can put higher than Usyk? You can easily put Usyk at number 1 P4P considering Canelo took recent one sided loss

No, I can’t easily just put Usyk in as top P4P right now. Why? Because he barely defeated AJ who got knocked out by Ruiz, a marginally good heavyweight thst should have never held a belt of that level. Because AJ defeated a 40 year old great after he already proved to be done after falling flat with Fury. Usyk looked awful to me yesterday against a guy that had dead legs the last 4 rounds and still couldn’t get him out of there and almost lost the damn fight.

Measure Usyk’s performance yesterday to any fight you want to of Terrance Crawford’s or Spence Jr’s. We are talking about skill levels out of this world to whatever that was yesterday. Same with Inoue. He also barely defeated a done fighter approaching 40 without any other signature wins yet. So no. Neither of those guys belong on my list via the eye test or on resume merit. Fury is another one not on my list. Because he beat Wilder twice? Wilder is not a great boxer and never will be. You fans bewilder me with how high you rate fighters for absolutely no good reason. None of those 3 have demonstrated shiit to me.

So i understand you are putting Crawford and Spence above Usyk and Fury right? Usyk fight with Joshua was not closer than Spence vs Porter

Please Bro. I assume that if you waste time here that you are a fan of Boxing. You don’t need to be a purist or a historian of any kind. When you are considering P4P rankings, you have to assume that everyone is fighting at the same weight now. You then take into account the skills each under consideration brings into the ring. There are so many boxers up and above Fury and Usyk that it would be too frustrating for me to list.

How many times has Fury’s ass hit the canvas from mediocre opposition? He has zero pop or defense to speak of. He was born a giant. Good for him but don’t tell me he’s an all time great heavyweight after the 40 years of Boxing I’ve watched and lived for. Fury isn’t even in the top 20 heavy’s of all time.

Usyk has an open tale to tell so I won’t crap on him. Shall he go on and establish a reign of dominance then I’ll revise my assessment of him. But in reality, we are talking about an above average Cruiserweight here. We all know what the Cruiserweight division is…the Land of Misfit Toys. I bet you can’t name one of the belt holders at Cruiserweight without looking. Finding one of them in the HOF is like seeing Bigfoot on my way home from work. It’s hardly considered a legitimate division of the sport. While we are at it, should we put Usyk in the HOF now bc he has 3 victories at the weight? 1 against a guy that had retired prior to getting into the ring and the other 2 against a guy that had been boxing for like 8 years?

There are so many absolute blue chippers right now. These 3 guys don’t belong in the convo with these:
Canelo, Haney, Tank, TC, Spence Jr, Benevidez, Bivol, Beterbiev, Charlo, Shakur, Taylor, Loma, Andrade…etc. I did that without even thinking.

[Bandog]

Back to the main topic, Canelo vs Joshua may be a better fight.

[Cent0089]

No, I can’t easily just put Usyk in as top P4P right now. Why? Because he barely defeated AJ who got knocked out by Ruiz, a marginally good heavyweight thst should have never held a belt of that level. Because AJ defeated a 40 year old great after he already proved to be done after falling flat with Fury. Usyk looked awful to me yesterday against a guy that had dead legs the last 4 rounds and still couldn’t get him out of there and almost lost the damn fight.

Measure Usyk’s performance yesterday to any fight you want to of Terrance Crawford’s or Spence Jr’s. We are talking about skill levels out of this world to whatever that was yesterday. Same with Inoue. He also barely defeated a done fighter approaching 40 without any other signature wins yet. So no. Neither of those guys belong on my list via the eye test or on resume merit. Fury is another one not on my list. Because he beat Wilder twice? Wilder is not a great boxer and never will be. You fans bewilder me with how high you rate fighters for absolutely no good reason. None of those 3 have demonstrated shiit to me.

So i understand you are putting Crawford and Spence above Usyk and Fury right? Usyk fight with Joshua was not closer than Spence vs Porter

Please Bro. I assume that if you waste time here that you are a fan of Boxing. You don’t need to be a purist or a historian of any kind. When you are considering P4P rankings, you have to assume that everyone is fighting at the same weight now. You then take into account the skills each under consideration brings into the ring. There are so many boxers up and above Fury and Usyk that it would be too frustrating for me to list.

How many times has Fury’s ass hit the canvas from mediocre opposition? He has zero pop or defense to speak of. He was born a giant. Good for him but don’t tell me he’s an all time great heavyweight after the 40 years of Boxing I’ve watched and lived for. Fury isn’t even in the top 20 heavy’s of all time.

Usyk has an open tale to tell so I won’t crap on him. Shall he go on and establish a reign of dominance then I’ll revise my assessment of him. But in reality, we are talking about an above average Cruiserweight here. We all know what the Cruiserweight division is…the Land of Misfit Toys. I bet you can’t name one of the belt holders at Cruiserweight without looking. Finding one of them in the HOF is like seeing Bigfoot on my way home from work. It’s hardly considered a legitimate division of the sport. While we are at it, should we put Usyk in the HOF now bc he has 3 victories at the weight? 1 against a guy that had retired prior to getting into the ring and the other 2 against a guy that had been boxing for like 8 years?

There are so many absolute blue chippers right now. These 3 guys don’t belong in the convo with these:
Canelo, Haney, Tank, TC, Spence Jr, Benevidez, Bivol, Beterbiev, Charlo, Shakur, Taylor, Loma, Andrade…etc. I did that without even thinking.

Andrade over Usyk and Fury LOL

[caldo2025]

Oh that’s right. Boxing can’t get it’s pinky out of its ass long enough to mandate a worthy fight for undefeated and dominant Middleweight so you punks blame the fighter.

Have you really watched Andrade fight? I’m no fan of his or his antics but his technique and skill level is absolutely incredible. I was ringside at his last fight and I’ve seen many fighters live and Andrade was one of the best I’ve ever seen live. No idea what kind of plan could beat this kid when he’s on and healthy.

[gregregegg]

Oh that’s right. Boxing can’t get it’s pinky out of its ass long enough to mandate a worthy fight for undefeated and dominant Middleweight so you punks blame the fighter.

Have you really watched Andrade fight? I’m no fan of his or his antics but his technique and skill level is absolutely incredible. I was ringside at his last fight and I’ve seen many fighters live and Andrade was one of the best I’ve ever seen live. No idea what kind of plan could beat this kid when he’s on and healthy.

He had a good fight mandated at middle weight. and he ducked it.

[caldo2025]

Oh that’s right. Boxing can’t get it’s pinky out of its ass long enough to mandate a worthy fight for undefeated and dominant Middleweight so you punks blame the fighter.

Have you really watched Andrade fight? I’m no fan of his or his antics but his technique and skill level is absolutely incredible. I was ringside at his last fight and I’ve seen many fighters live and Andrade was one of the best I’ve ever seen live. No idea what kind of plan could beat this kid when he’s on and healthy.

He had a good fight mandated at middle weight. and he ducked it.

I can’t wait to hear this no namer and what kind of puny purse you’re talking about. Andrade deserves a 7 figure payday. He’s been MW Champion for years. There’s no way you could justify his oppositions to me. No idea what this kid did to the Boxing brains behind the scene but it really frustrates me as a fan that he can’t get a PPV type fight as MW champion of the world for this many years. Maybe his team deserves some blame I guess but something just smells awful about the way this kid’s career has been muted.

[gregregegg]

Oh that’s right. Boxing can’t get it’s pinky out of its ass long enough to mandate a worthy fight for undefeated and dominant Middleweight so you punks blame the fighter.

Have you really watched Andrade fight? I’m no fan of his or his antics but his technique and skill level is absolutely incredible. I was ringside at his last fight and I’ve seen many fighters live and Andrade was one of the best I’ve ever seen live. No idea what kind of plan could beat this kid when he’s on and healthy.

He had a good fight mandated at middle weight. and he ducked it.

I can’t wait to hear this no namer and what kind of puny purse you’re talking about. Andrade deserves a 7 figure payday. He’s been MW Champion for years. There’s no way you could justify his oppositions to me. No idea what this kid did to the Boxing brains behind the scene but it really frustrates me as a fan that he can’t get a PPV type fight as MW champion of the world for this many years. Maybe his team deserves some blame I guess but something just smells awful about the way this kid’s career has been muted.

Andrade cant get big fights because he is boring and irrelevant and greedy. spent 5 years at 160 and has fornicate all to show for it because he spent years begging charlo and canelo rather than taking the best fights actualy available to him.... he could of fought eubank Jr (not top class but solid), instead he fought quiggly...

His resume is weak beacause wants more than he is worth more than he is. Andrade is tricky, so provides risk, but not tons of reward... thats why people dont fight him. Same reason andrade ducked Zhanibek Alimkhanuly.

Complain about not getting good opponents yet run when your best opponent in 5 years (mabey ever) gets mandated. cry me a river...

[Lackeos]

Oh that’s right. Boxing can’t get it’s pinky out of its ass long enough to mandate a worthy fight for undefeated and dominant Middleweight so you punks blame the fighter.

Have you really watched Andrade fight? I’m no fan of his or his antics but his technique and skill level is absolutely incredible. I was ringside at his last fight and I’ve seen many fighters live and Andrade was one of the best I’ve ever seen live. No idea what kind of plan could beat this kid when he’s on and healthy.

It's been 9 years since Andrade fought Vanes Martirosyan, and since then, he hasn't fought any world class fighter. A fighter doesn't go 9 years without a good dance partner unless HE'S the one doing the ducking. There's overwhelming evidence that Alvarez, Golovkin, Jacobs, Lara, and Derevyanchenko have the courage to fight formidable opponents; and would've fought Andrade if he wanted it. There is no evidence that Andrade would take a hard fight.

[caldo2025]

Oh that’s right. Boxing can’t get it’s pinky out of its ass long enough to mandate a worthy fight for undefeated and dominant Middleweight so you punks blame the fighter.

Have you really watched Andrade fight? I’m no fan of his or his antics but his technique and skill level is absolutely incredible. I was ringside at his last fight and I’ve seen many fighters live and Andrade was one of the best I’ve ever seen live. No idea what kind of plan could beat this kid when he’s on and healthy.

It's been 9 years since Andrade fought Vanes Martirosyan, and since then, he hasn't fought any world class fighter. A fighter doesn't go 9 years without a good dance partner unless HE'S the one doing the ducking. There's overwhelming evidence that Alvarez, Golovkin, Jacobs, Lara, and Derevyanchenko have the courage to fight formidable opponents; and would've fought Andrade if he wanted it. There is no evidence that Andrade would take a hard fight.

I guess that you don’t understand the philosophy behind the term “being ducked”. Not exactly the chicken or the egg type of dilemma but similar. For which, you can’t establish a durable resume if no one EVER wants to fight you. Clearly, people like you blame the fighters for this. Me, on the other hand, feel more comfortable blaming the actual people responsible for mandatories. How can this kid be MW champion of the world and not have 1 worthy mandatory defense that would build not only better interest in the sports top divisions but the sports possible top talent. No, this kid has been let down by a sport that can’t get out of its own way. It keeps shiiiting in their drawers ever few months so it shouldn’t be surprising but it’s always sad. 4 years as champ and he’s like the red headed step child of Boxing as a 2 division champion? Come on. Man. Awful

[Bandog]

It's hard to build a resume in boxing without one I guess, when you are a southpaw especially. Honestly, Andrade should have BJS, Canelo, Mall Charlo, Eubank Jr., Munguia, GGG, Lara, but all weren't interested in fighting him. He "ducked" Mell Charlo, Janibek, and a guy recently due to making less than $300K. If you are established with a good resume, there is no such thing as a duck I guess.

Andrade could redeem himself by doing one thing, and that is fighting Benevidez. Win or lose. he wins fans at least, and would be decent money.

[Lackeos]

Oh that’s right. Boxing can’t get it’s pinky out of its ass long enough to mandate a worthy fight for undefeated and dominant Middleweight so you punks blame the fighter.

Have you really watched Andrade fight? I’m no fan of his or his antics but his technique and skill level is absolutely incredible. I was ringside at his last fight and I’ve seen many fighters live and Andrade was one of the best I’ve ever seen live. No idea what kind of plan could beat this kid when he’s on and healthy.

It's been 9 years since Andrade fought Vanes Martirosyan, and since then, he hasn't fought any world class fighter. A fighter doesn't go 9 years without a good dance partner unless HE'S the one doing the ducking. There's overwhelming evidence that Alvarez, Golovkin, Jacobs, Lara, and Derevyanchenko have the courage to fight formidable opponents; and would've fought Andrade if he wanted it. There is no evidence that Andrade would take a hard fight.

I guess that you don’t understand the philosophy behind the term “being ducked”. Not exactly the chicken or the egg type of dilemma but similar. For which, you can’t establish a durable resume if no one EVER wants to fight you. Clearly, people like you blame the fighters for this. Me, on the other hand, feel more comfortable blaming the actual people responsible for mandatories. How can this kid be MW champion of the world and not have 1 worthy mandatory defense that would build not only better interest in the sports top divisions but the sports possible top talent. No, this kid has been let down by a sport that can’t get out of its own way. It keeps shiiiting in their drawers ever few months so it shouldn’t be surprising but it’s always sad. 4 years as champ and he’s like the red headed step child of Boxing as a 2 division champion? Come on. Man. Awful

The good fighters in Andrade's division AREN'T ducking him. Fighters like Alvarez, Golovkin, Jacobs, and Lara have extremely well-documented balls for fighting stiff opponents. Insane to claim that Alvarez is SCARED to fight Andrade, but not scared to fight Kovalev, Golovkin, Bivol, Lara, etc. Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows that Andrade is most definitely less scary than Kovalev, Golovkin, and Bivol. Not to mention literally anyone who's ever had the balls to fight prime Golovkin is definitely definitely definitely definitely NOT scared to fight Andrade.