My Top 100 Southpaws Of All Time

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 15 Aug 2006, 17:27

1.Marvin Hagler
2.Pernell Whitaker
3.Khaosai Galaxy
4.Young Corbett III
5.Freddie Miller
6.Tiger Flowers
7.Lew Tendler
8.Lou Brouillard
9.Horacio Accavallo
10.Manny Pacquiao
11.Bruno Arcari
12.Juan Martin Coggi
13.Hector Camacho
14.Michael Nunn
15.Duilio Loi
16.Joe Calzaghe
17.Julio Cesar Vasquez
18.Winky Wright
19.Flash Elorde
20.Hiroyuki Ebihara
21.Jose Luis Ramirez
22.Daniel Zaragoza
23.Hilario Zapata
24.Ben Villaflor
25.Melio Bettina
26.Vicente Saldivar
27.Bert Lytell
28.Johnny Wilson
29. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
30.Naseem Hamed
31.Mark Johnson
32.Yoko Gushiken
33.Freddie Norwood
34.Henry Maske
35.Jiro Watanabe
36.Reggie Johnson
37.Kenny Lane
38.Daniel Santos
39.Michael Moorer
40.Venice Borkhorsor
41.Joe Knight
42.Juan Carlos Gomez
43.Stevie Johnston
44.Marvin Johnson
45.Bob Murphy
46.Gerry Penalosa
47.Graciano Rocchigiani
48.Irene Pacheco
49.Zab Judah
50.Vassiliy Jirov
51.Herol Graham
52.Paulie Ayala
53.Jim Watt
54.Jackie Graves
55.Ivan Calderon
56.Joel Casamayor
57.Sharmba Mitchell
58.Alan Minter
59.Chuck Davey
60.Andy Callahan
61.Kevin Kelley
62.Lazslo Papp
63.Keith Holmes
64.Manuel Quintero
65.Antonio Tarver
66.Dave Charnley
67.Gustav Scholz
68.Cornelius Boza Edwards
69.Ayub Kalule
70.Dick Finnegan
71.Bronco McKart
72.Chris Byrd
73.Jean Baptiste Mendy
74.Artur Grigorian
75.Roberto Vasquez
76.John David Jackson
77.Maurice Hope
78.Pete Latzo
79.Orzubek Nazarov
80.Ki Soo Kim
81.Crisanto Espana
82.Bernard Taylor
83.Tim Austin
84.Jack Portney
85.Rafael Limon
86.Derrick Gainer
87.Paul Spadafora
88.Rolando Navarette
89.Marvin Camel
90.Mate Parlov
91.Ronnie Harris
92.Ronnie Delaney
93.Sugar Ray Seales
94.Leslie Stewart
95.Eddie Dolan
96.Regilio Tuur
97.Manning Galloway
98.Yodsanan Sor Nanthachai
99.David Kui Kong Young
100.Rene Barrientos

theone · Post by **theone** » 15 Aug 2006, 17:39

Whitaker should be #1. Great list though.

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 15 Aug 2006, 18:36

kalule should be higher.

The idea keith holmes was a better fighter than him is criminal.

Good list overall though.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 15 Aug 2006, 19:12

Don't let Ringsider see this list!

AndreWardFan2006 · Post by **AndreWardFan2006** » 15 Aug 2006, 19:39

I love Hagler's style. The way he would switch stances with such ease. His fight with Mugabi showcased it perfectly.

~A.W.F~

jjflany · Post by **jjflany** » 15 Aug 2006, 20:28

You fogot Kenny Lane lightweight World Boxing Hall Of Famer of the 50s

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 15 Aug 2006, 20:40

He's at 37.

Chuck1052 · Post by **Chuck1052** » 15 Aug 2006, 23:42

David "Kui Kong" Young, rated by many as the greatest
boxer from Hawaii, should be ranked much higher.

- Chuck Johnston

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 16 Aug 2006, 08:51

I cant wait to see what Ringsider says he will have a field day!!!

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 16 Aug 2006, 09:03

He'll say they were all pitty pat fighters, where #1 and #3 had almost 100 KO's combined.

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 16 Aug 2006, 09:15

Any way on a serious note. This is my two pence...

Positive: Great to see moderns included like Calzaghe, Pacquiao, Winky, Vasquez, Casamayor, Judah, and feel they are all very accurately placed. Like the placing of YC III, Galaxy at 3, Tendler, Flowers, Elorde, Villaflor, Accavallo and Bettina i think they are fair.

Too Low: Ayub Kalule!! Lazslo Papp!! Kevin Kelley, Alan Minter, Herol Graham but not by much, Michael Moorer, Naseem Hamed, Vicente Saldivar, Jose Luis Ramirez, Duilio Loi, Whitaker should be 1 imo.

Too high: Marvin Hagler should be three four fiveish IMO, Pongsaklek wonjongkam, Antonio Tarver, Chris Byrd.

VERY god thread by the way thanks for your time and effort here.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 16 Aug 2006, 10:14

Matty. Theone and others

To address your comments. No doubt, Whitaker is superior to Hagler in pure boxing skill, the big difference though, is the way Hagler just destroyed his opposition.

Ayub Kalule. Stopped by young Moore and young McCallum, biggest win probably SD against Kalambay. I'm not unchangeable though, and have seen him fight.

Lazslo Papp. Might have become a great fighter, but had just too few fights.

Kevin Kelley. More consideration required perhaps.

Alan Minter. Might have made the HOF he wasen't so prone to cuts. Read somewhere once, that before the Hagler fight, he had done well in all of his TKO losses.

I'll try to address the rest later. Thanks for the compliments though.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 16 Aug 2006, 10:17

mattym wrote:Any way on a serious note. This is my two pence...

Positive: Great to see moderns included like Calzaghe, Pacquiao, Winky, Vasquez, Casamayor, Judah, and feel they are all very accurately placed. Like the placing of YC III, Galaxy at 3, Tendler, Flowers, Elorde, Villaflor, Accavallo and Bettina i think they are fair.

Too Low: Ayub Kalule!! Lazslo Papp!! Kevin Kelley, Alan Minter, Herol Graham but not by much, Michael Moorer, Naseem Hamed, Vicente Saldivar, Jose Luis Ramirez, Duilio Loi, Whitaker should be 1 imo.

Too high: Marvin Hagler should be three four fiveish IMO, Pongsaklek wonjongkam, Antonio Tarver, Chris Byrd.

VERY god thread by the way thanks for your time and effort here.

Hagler controlled one of boxing's most historic divisions for 7 years unscathed...he's fine where he is, 2 at the worst behind Pernell.

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 16 Aug 2006, 12:48

on second thought, 4 or 5 is a bit harsh, i think he belongs at number three. He did very well for himself yes, but imo he is not one of the two best left-handers of all boxing history.

jsmoke · Post by **jsmoke** » 16 Aug 2006, 13:27

as much as i love pacman...i wouldn't put him that high yet....i've only seen him fight about 3-4 world class fighters....and he lost one, and got a draw on the second one

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 16 Aug 2006, 21:01

I put PacMan at number 10 because he's won World titles at Flyweight, Super Bantamweight, Featherweight, and Super Featherweight, and KO'd 2 Mexican legends in Barrera in Morales.

barry · Post by **barry** » 17 Aug 2006, 06:56

I would certainly have Knockout Brown (Valentin Braun), Dal Hawkins, probably the first two southpaws to gain national recognition and popularity...especially Brown and I would definitely have George "KO" Chaney in the first 50! There seems to be a little bit of a shortage of earlier fighters in the list, but overall it's a pretty solid list.

Martin Sosa Cameron · Post by **Martin Sosa Cameron** » 17 Aug 2006, 07:42

Seamus,

Great list, of course!
But there are any great southpaws from Argentina who are with comfort between the Top 100: José Carattoli, Atilio Caraune and Eduardo Lausse

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 17 Aug 2006, 08:16

Great list Seamus. It looks like you put some thought into this. There are guys from different weight classes, eras and countries, and styles. You aren't ever going to find anyone who agrees with all your picks when you do a list like this; but theis certainly very good.
My biggest change would be Calzaghe at #16. Until he beats someone that is a lot better than anyone he has beaten so far, I can't see him being that high. however so far no one else has mentioned him so maybe you aren't that far off with him.
Good list.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 17 Aug 2006, 09:36

Barry

I considered KO Chaney, but what finally dissuaded me from picking him was the fact that he fought alot of top fighters, but almost always lost to them. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Martin

Here's the problem I don't understand, Lausse would easily have been on the list, but Box Rec DOES NOT list him as a Southpaw. You also referred to Fighting Harada as a Southpaw in another thread. I'm a little confused.

Ambling Alp

I'm sure most of the Brits will agree with me, but I don't see Calzaghe's competition as being that bad, and when I've watched him, I always seem to see a guy with great handspeed who dominates against his opposition. Zero losses also helped me rank him high.

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 17 Aug 2006, 14:42

im with seamus. You dont always have to face the worlds most famous opponents at madison square garden for people to see how good you are. Even though he has not had many career defining fights, he has not lost any, and his record is far from bad. Even when against A- and B level fighters, you can see that Calzaghe is extremely good in the ring and is a great fighter.

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 17 Aug 2006, 14:53

Another point is why is Saldivar so low?. He was a genuine all-timer that fought terrific competition and beat almost all of them.

To have a hack like Coggi so high is not right either.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 17 Aug 2006, 15:24

Arbachkov

I'm not saying Saldivar wasen't a very good fighter, but fact is, he was past it by age 27, and only won 37 fights. Coggi on the other hand was very underrated fighter who like alot of Argentinians, didn't get alot of exposure in the USA. Besides that he won more than twice as many fights, while only losing two more.

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 17 Aug 2006, 15:34

Saldivar fought so many good fighters though like Famechon, Winstone and Sugar Ramos.

The trilogy with Winstone was the Barrera vs Morales of the '60s.

Saw lots of Coggi and he was an ordinary splinter champion that got perhaps the worst gift i have ever seen against Eder Gonzalez.

It's a good list overall Seamus.Obviously with such a large number of fighters there are always going to be disagreements.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 17 Aug 2006, 16:39

No-one has said it yet so I have to say it . . .

where's Corrie Sanders???

Just kidding

Great list. Very thorough.

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