Deontay Wilder vs. Robert Helenius | FOX PPV - October 15, 2022

[margaret thatcher]

disagree, lots of better fighters aren't in and he's never been that respected by boxing writers, nor has he ever been #1 in the division. in his biggest fights, he didnt win any of them, but he was brutally ko'd once and battered in another. his overall quality of opposition is dreadful for hof standard too: dom breazeale and bermane stiverne are among the top 3 guys he's beaten. yuck!

who knows what's he'll do from now , he could add great wins, he could be ktfo 5 times in a row. im talking if he retired today

dairuz michalczewski had like 20 defenses and was a unified + lineal champ, never got in. a bunch of defenses doesnt always cut it

[gilgamesh]

Disagree all you want. You're wrong.

Time will tell.

Dariusz had 20 title defenses of a title that at the time wasn't widely recognized. He was WBO Champion before WBO mattered as far as I know.

It should've stayed not mattering, but people are stupid.

[margaret thatcher]

not wrong at all, im talking if he retired today btw, time wont tell unless that happens

by your logic dariusz m should be a shoe in too because he had a sh!tload of defenses. adonis stevenson too

[gilgamesh]

I never said Dariusz should be in.

[margaret thatcher]

i said 'by your logic', do you comprehend much brah

you mentioned guys getting in because they made 10 defenses, but clearly it's not always the case. darry had 2x that, plus was a unified and lineal champ. adonis stevenson made a sh!Tload too and was lineal champ for ppl who obsess over that, wonder if he's a shoe in

[gilgamesh]

Nope, but he may well get in.

Stevenson has it going against him, that he never fought the big fight everyone thought he should while he was Champion.

Wilder fought Fury. 3 times.

[margaret thatcher]

right, and all those people saw wilder win 0 of those fights

loser to the stars, to borrow your own phrase

[gilgamesh]

One of 'em was Fight of the Year and had Round of the Year though. If you're gonna lose, and still maintain some credibility that's the way to do it. Lose in a very exciting fight.

Loser to the Stars doesn't fit yet for Wilder. If he winds up losing to every other name in the division it would fit.

[margaret thatcher]

yup, the delboy method, lose in a good fight

[KiwiRider]

Some people always act like it's such a big deal to get inducted into the HOF.
You don't have to be SRR or FMM to be inducted.
If McGuigan and Johannsson can do it, than Wilder definitely can, too.

No doubt. I have the Hall of Fame book. I can see exactly who is and isn't in. The doors are definitely wider than a lot of people think, and Wilder with his 10 title defenses and having also been in 3 of the biggest Heavyweight fights of the era is already definitely in there. Even if he called it a career tomorrow.

he might get in as one of the weakest inductees ever, but he's certainly not a shoe -in if he retired today

the quality of his wins is pretty dreadful in hof context, no matter if he has 45 wins or 450 of them. sure, some other weak record guys get in, but LOTS of better guys dont. i dont think wilder's ever been especially highly rated by most boxing writers/insiders either, and of those 3 big fights he won 0 of them

mcguigan btw had a win far far better than any of wilders, beating a long reigning atg champ

It was a long and disappointing reign.
From gaining the belt from Stiverne to the trilogy where he lost all three fights.
On paper, if you didn't know the caliber of his opponents, it's was a good run. In reality - it's lame.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I don't reckon Wilder will have any more significant wins, in fact I'd argue he hasn't got any really. Is Ortiz significant, that's about his best win....his other best was a draw with Fury.

[Bandog]

Honestly I don';t get the hate with Wilder. Fighters get criticized all the time for being boring. He's the opposite of that.

[brilo33]

Honestly I don';t get the hate with Wilder. Fighters get criticized all the time for being boring. He's the opposite of that.

i like wilder got a lot of respect for him after the fury fights, think he has improved as boxer from them id watch him fight any of the top ranking fighters and he has more than a 50/50 against anyone i think if not 75 in his favour

[margaret thatcher]

Honestly I don';t get the hate with Wilder. Fighters get criticized all the time for being boring. He's the opposite of that.

i like wilder got a lot of respect for him after the fury fights, think he has improved as boxer from them id watch him fight any of the top ranking fighters and he has more than a 50/50 against anyone i think if not 75 in his favour

ya, wilder at 37 and being ko'd twice in a row is better than ever. simply being in the presence of the amazing tyson fury improves every fighter by 200 percent

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

He will get in. The hof has no standard and hes american with hollow stats

Vitali got in didnt he?

[margaret thatcher]

people always bring up that other weak cases got in, while ignoring that many ones stronger or just as good didnt. and even maguigan, always mentioned as being one of the weakest inductees, beat a long reigning atg champ. ingo also ko'd a hall of famer to win the title

vitali had a weak resume but was more respected as a boxer than wilder ever was + was actually #1 in the world at a time. he was hugely overrated, wilder isnt, not among the hof voting types. he's divisive among fans too, not one of these guys that everyone loves. at least 2/3 on forums lol at him

wilder's record is extremely weak by hof standards when you look past quantity and actually focus on the guys he beat. he was also never unified champ, never lineal champ or consensus #1, never beat anyone close to being a hof'er. his 3 fights most will remember he couldnt win any of them. if he retired today, im not convinced he'd be a shoe-in

[brilo33]

Honestly I don';t get the hate with Wilder. Fighters get criticized all the time for being boring. He's the opposite of that.

i like wilder got a lot of respect for him after the fury fights, think he has improved as boxer from them id watch him fight any of the top ranking fighters and he has more than a 50/50 against anyone i think if not 75 in his favour

ya, wilder at 37 and being ko'd twice in a row is better than ever. simply being in the presence of the amazing tyson fury improves every fighter by 200 percent

do you think aj will beat him then, do you fancy usyk to do a job on him then do you think jj will walk him down. i dont care about tyson fury now he bores me i liike a under dog iam more a hughie fury man now ,

[margaret thatcher]

ya i do think usyk would outbox him handily, josh could do him too - that would be a good one

the idea that he's now become better than ever at 37 following back to back KO losses doesnt really make sensse to me and is pretty much unprecedented, but who know, i guess we'll see

[brilo33]

people always bring up that other weak cases got in, while ignoring that many ones stronger or just as good didnt. and even maguigan, always mentioned as being one of the weakest inductees, beat a long reigning atg champ. ingo also ko'd a hall of famer to win the title

vitali had a weak resume but was more respected as a boxer than wilder ever was + was actually #1 in the world at a time. he was hugely overrated, wilder isnt, not among the hof voting types. he's divisive among fans too, not one of these guys that everyone loves. at least 2/3 on forums lol at him

wilder's record is extremely weak by hof standards when you look past quantity and actually focus on the guys he beat. he was also never unified champ, never lineal champ or consensus #1, never beat anyone close to being a hof'er. his 3 fights most will remember he couldnt win any of them. if he retired today, im not convinced he'd be a shoe-in

noone has a good record because for some reason everybody has there mike tyson rose tinted glasses on what was great about his record who name he fought at the age that would be champs now , everyone turns there noses up at lewis

[brilo33]

ya i do think usyk would outbox him handily, josh could do him too - that would be a good one

the idea that he's now become better than ever at 37 following back to back KO losses doesnt really make sensse to me and is pretty much unprecedented, but who know, i guess we'll see

it isnt that hes a great boxer but he has inproved it is his power it is something else fury as much as you hate him is a decent defensive fighter he can move his head but he got big blows many times, do you think aj will get back up a win and usyk because i think they will have to , to beat him remember hes a huge man as well bigger than both of them dwarth usyk

[margaret thatcher]

usyk's better defensively than fury.......he'd present a smaller target too and has a great engine to keep it up down the stretch

lots of guys have been dropped by wilder and gotten up to go rounds. hell eric molina did it. ortiz almost came back to stop him in their first fight. arreola did it, fury got dropped 4 times and got up every time and so on. he couldnt drop duhaupas at all either. it's not like wilder ends every fight as soon as he lands his first right hand, some ppl have gotten so ridiculous with that

[brilo33]

usyk's better defensively than fury.......he'd present a smaller target too

lots of guys have been dropped by wilder and gotten up to go rounds. hell eric molina did it. ortiz almost came back to stop him in their first fight. arreola did it, and so on. he couldnt drop duhaupas at all either. it's not like wilder ends every fight as soon as he lands his first right hand.

yea so you talking about boxers who got up with out much chance of winning cover up , how are they going to win, why is usyk a better defensively than fury cause he has a medal how fury smashed chisora usyk got the decision not everyone agreed
i think andy ruiz would of been a harder fight than aj for uysk

[margaret thatcher]

eric molina, known for being chinny, got dropped multiple times, kept getting up, and came back to hurt wilder. ortiz was dropped, then came back a few rounds later and almost stopped wilder. fury was down 4 times, yet got up every time and came back strong

it's not just guys getting dropped and then covering up surviving .. some ppl are so ridiculous about wilder's power, like he ends every fight as soon as he lands his first right hand. he doesnt. he;s never beat anyone in usyk's league either

the idea that wilder has only just achieved his career best form at 37 and 2 straight kos is a strange one, how does it make any sense

[brilo33]

eric molina, known for being chinny, got dropped multiple times, kept getting up, and came back to hurt wilder. ortiz was dropped, then came back a few rounds later and almost stopped wilder. fury was down 4 times, yet got up every time and came back strong

it's not just guys getting dropped and then surviving .. some ppl are so ridiculous about wilder's power, like he ends every fight as soon as he lands his first right hand

i wonder if usyk would be sliced up by otter wallin, i doubt it

no i think wallin is made for usyk, but when your fighting big boys your going get tagged ,why was mike tyson so good then take away his power away what would he of been

[margaret thatcher]

take away mike tyson's speed and he'd still have atg hand speed, excellent foot work and head movement, and some of the better body punching and combos at hw. not sure how he's relevant to this anyway