Eubank Jr/his team did a very good business move by fighting Benn! Big money domestic fight in UK!

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Company Nelson has his say..

Sky are all over this now..

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Enlightened-One wrote: 05 Oct 2022, 08:35 Benn taking a fertility drug designed to increase testosterone levels, as a byproduct of increasing his luteinizing hormone levels.

If Benn upsets Eubank Jr, then people will understandably question the legitimacy of his win, due to weight draining his opponent and also consuming PED’s to increase his own testosterone levels.

The fight should be called off.

Imagine if Eubank Jr. suffers a significant injury due to being weight-drained against a PED-using opponent?

Apart from the paydays, this is a lose-lose situation for both fighters.

Neither fighter will receive plaudits for their win (either a bigger fighter beats a much smaller opponent or a drug cheat beats a weight drained opponent).

How can the promoters or the networks justify staging such a sporting spectacle?

You're probably right, the possibilities are scary but I for one would still like to see this fight go ahead.

You just can't stop drug taking in sports.
More than 50 years of trying and failing have demonstrated that.

It's almost certain that the likes of Fury and Canelo have been using for years.

Quick Eddie, find that farmer who said he sold Conor that dodgy mexican beef!

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Thomastearns wrote: 05 Oct 2022, 11:33


You're probably right, the possibilities are scary but I for one would still like to see this fight go ahead.

You just can't stop drug taking in sports.
More than 50 years of trying and failing have demonstrated that.
What a terrible take.
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Thomastearns wrote: 05 Oct 2022, 11:33
Enlightened-One wrote: 05 Oct 2022, 08:35 Benn taking a fertility drug designed to increase testosterone levels, as a byproduct of increasing his luteinizing hormone levels.

If Benn upsets Eubank Jr, then people will understandably question the legitimacy of his win, due to weight draining his opponent and also consuming PED’s to increase his own testosterone levels.

The fight should be called off.

Imagine if Eubank Jr. suffers a significant injury due to being weight-drained against a PED-using opponent?

Apart from the paydays, this is a lose-lose situation for both fighters.

Neither fighter will receive plaudits for their win (either a bigger fighter beats a much smaller opponent or a drug cheat beats a weight drained opponent).

How can the promoters or the networks justify staging such a sporting spectacle?

You're probably right, the possibilities are scary but I for one would still like to see this fight go ahead.

You just can't stop drug taking in sports.
More than 50 years of trying and failing have demonstrated that.

It's almost certain that the likes of Fury and Canelo have been using for years.

Quick Eddie, find that farmer who said he sold Conor that dodgy mexican beef!

The catch weight AND rehydration weight stupulations were appalling, much worse than anything we’ve ever witnessed with Cotto, Mayweather, Canelo and Pacquiao.

But the fact Conor was also caught red-handed consuming female fertility drugs to increase his testosterone levels is really appalling.

I really don't want this fight to go ahead, because we’ll be endorsing Conor Benn’s attempts to beat Eubank Jr. via non-sporting means.

I’m a physically big man, but a PED-using wimpy teenager could beat the living daylights out of me if I had to fight weighing eight stones.

At some point we have the draw the line by saying NO FÛÇKÏÑG WAY!!!

It’ll take a couple of years for Conor to rebuild his reputation.
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ewenhay wrote: 05 Oct 2022, 12:33
Thomastearns wrote: 05 Oct 2022, 11:33


You're probably right, the possibilities are scary but I for one would still like to see this fight go ahead.

You just can't stop drug taking in sports.
More than 50 years of trying and failing have demonstrated that.
What a terrible take.

Let's face it, we've been discussing this issue for years and years and there really seems to be no other option. Isn't it a bit like those who try to stamp out alcohol, drug use, prostitution and gambling - always doomed to failure?

Until a few years ago I was firmly on the side of banning all illegal drug usage in sport. Unfortunately it doesn't seem possible to enforce it.

Apart from Nonito Donnaire, just who else has enrolled in 24/7 random testing?

Wouldn't it be much fairer to let all the boxers decide which drugs they wanted to use and whether they'd be of any benefit?

In that scenario the ones with the most advanced chem labs behind them (Canelo, Canelo, and Canelo) would still have an advantage, but it would be considerably less than what it is currently.

If someone were to use the latest testing apparatus on all the blood testing samples that have been preserved you would have to rewrite the entire history of the Olympics.

Probably boxing too.

Some folks still consider it a great injustice that Ben Johnson was stripped of his gold medal whilst Carl Lewis, who had failed several tests during the US trials was allowed to compete. Apparently Carl Lewis's samples were somehow later 'lost', so in his case there can't be any future retrospective testing.

Allowing the use of PEDs might well be the lesser of 2 evils.

Otherwise we might still be having these conversations in another 50 years.

The playing field is never level but it doesn't have to be as lobsided as this.

Even better, then there would be no need for further Therapeutic Usage Exemptions that saw an unprecedented rise in the number of athletes that apparently suffer from asthma.

If Chris Eubank says he's happy to still go ahead, then why not? As far as I can tell that evens up the fight a little, but I still expect Eubank to win.

Conor Benn can't be very confident if he needed drugs, can he? Hardly surprising though, given the huge difference in size and weight he was conceding.

The big question now is whether Conor still wants to fight.

Who'd want to be in his shoes right now?
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Carl Frampton claims that the sample taken from Conor Benn that resulted in the adverse test result was apparently performed in August.

So what on earth has caused the delay in today's announcement?
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Enlightened-One wrote: 05 Oct 2022, 15:47 Carl Frampton claims that the sample taken from Conor Benn that resulted in the adverse test result was apparently performed in August.

So what on earth has caused the delay in today's announcement?
It got leaked..

They were all trying to keep it under wraps maybe. It’s all corrupt ain’t it.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 05 Oct 2022, 16:03
Enlightened-One wrote: 05 Oct 2022, 15:47 Carl Frampton claims that the sample taken from Conor Benn that resulted in the adverse test result was apparently performed in August.

So what on earth has caused the delay in today's announcement?
It got leaked..

They were all trying to keep it under wraps maybe. It’s all corrupt ain’t it.
Benn, Eubank, Matchroom, Wasserman and the TV networks want the fight to proceed because of the millions of dollars in revenue the event generates.

In terms of Benn failing the VADA test, but passing the UKAD test, well this could simply be due to the timing of Conor’s PED cycle.

It doesn’t mean that that there are doubts about Benn’s guilt. The VADA B sample will almost certainly result in an adverse test result, based on pure statistics rather than personal opinion.

Dave Coldwell is the second boxing “insider” to reveal his dismay about the fact it took so long for the BBBofC to announce the failed PED test result.

Coldwell actually said “everyone knows about the drug test had been failed [for a long time], but carried on as if nothing has happened!”.

This fight really shouldn’t go ahead. The BBBofC, Matchroom and Wasserman should be ashamed of themselves. This makes a complete mockery of the sport of boxing.

If a journeyman tested positive for PED's, they wouldn't be allowed to fight, but because Conor Benn generates big money, then Matchroom and Wasserman will do their utmost to make sure it still goes ahead.
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Their fathers were probably on all kinds of peds and so were most other of the atgs. This fight never really mattered. It's boxing anyway where ones goal is to knock out the opponent, it's not a competition in philanthropy and morality.
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Tbh, I really want to see this fight BUT now at 160 with fully rehydration.

Lets be fair here, its a crooked-sneaky and dirty world. Its a matter of who gets caught and who gets away.


It would be more reasonably if they would just officially allow the use of peds. Let them all use peds! Let them all fight at their best comfortable weights and let them fight 15 rounds like back in the days! We would have lots of ATG's ! :box:

I want to see action packed fights and be entertained! Fighters should fight at least 5 times per year! It should be a strong rule!
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The fight is rightly postponed.

That means they're obviously looking at restaging it.

If so, the 157 limit with a rehydration has to go.

Conor wanted this, so if he wants to fight at 160, he should fight at 160 and rehydrate as normal.

Saying that, it won't be as big again because many will view Benn with suspicion.
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Coldwell actually said “everyone knows about the drug test had been failed [for a long time], but carried on as if nothing has happened!”.


And they would have succeeded if it had not been for that pesky leaker!

The fight looks as if it's off now, despite the best efforts of Hearn and the various networks.

Millions of pounds lost and the whole card cancelled.
There will be an awful lot of people disappointed now.

A real pity.

All that remains now is to see what kind of suspension Conor Benn receives.

Let's see if it's as friendly as the one that Canelo got.
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Less than a week away for Eubank Jr vs Benn. I'm looking forward to this one.
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