BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron

[CMCanavessi]

10

[DrDuke]

Sanchez to 10 sounds fine.

[Heretic]

Negron is not at the level of opponent that has much bearing on top 15 rankings.

Moving to 10 for beating him seems like a stretch. Bump him over Helenius and wait for him to actually beat someone of note.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Ortiz has beaten similar opponents.

Granted his win against Martin is ok on paper.

[joshj909]

Ortiz has beaten similar opponents.

Granted his win against Martin is ok on paper.

It's basically who people rate as an win more, Martin Vs Ajagba.

[Cyclops]

He's going to 12, as Helenius dropping out will naturally move him up. He doesn't gain any more respect from me as a fighter for that borefest this weekend. Sanchez looked like he's regressed and the stoppage was pathetic. Negron was punching back and Sanchez looked as though he'd punched himself out during the exchange if anything.

Maybe the Ajagba win flattered him?

[Ruthless-RKO]

It’s that style of fighting too..

[Cyclops]

Ortiz has beaten similar opponents.

Granted his win against Martin is ok on paper.

It's basically who people rate as an win more, Martin Vs Ajagba.

Sounds like a solid undercard match up for Wilder-Ruiz

[Cyclops]

It’s that style of fighting too..

Moving around doing nothing for ages and then fighting in short explosive bursts?

I wonder if he has much of a tank if he's not allowed to do that? Is he capable of a high paced tear up?

[gregregegg]

Sanchez to 14th.

Pulev vs chizzy was a better preformance than sanchez vs negron... That was reallly really poor in my eyes, it was a competitive fight untill a stoppage that was pretty borderline (wasnt a shocker but i think sanchez might of over commited and would of gassed if negron survived just a touch longer.)

[Ruthless-RKO]

Will close this on the weekend..

[joshj909]

Will close this on the weekend..

Time for us to vote on where to put Fury now with not much else scheduled either.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Will close this on the weekend..

Time for us to vote on where to put Fury now with not much else scheduled either.

Yeh, will do a new thread on the weekend.

[marvelous marv]

Wilder to 2, Sanchez to remain at 13, Big Gug to 15

[Ruthless-RKO]

The vote is over.

Wilder remains at #3 despite his KO win, Sanchez moves up to #11 and Helenius exits the rankings.

We will do a separate thread this week to vote Fury back in.

Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

2. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

4. Joe Joyce - 15(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: 26.11.2022 vs. Jermaine Franklin - 32(23) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #52)

8. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight: 03.12.2022 vs. Tyson Fury - 32(23) 0 1 - (unranked)

9. Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Frank Sanchez - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. VACANT

Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

03.12.2022 - Daniel Dubois - 18(17) 1(1) 0 (BoxRec's #17) vs. Kevin Lerena - 28(14) 1(0) 0 - (BoxRec's #23)

16.12.2022 - Arslanbek Makhmudov - 15(14) 0 0 (BoxRec's #18) vs. TBA - 0(0) 0 0 - ()

[CMCanavessi]

More upcoming HW fights:

November 5 - Zhan Kossobutskiy VS Hussein Muhamed
November 26 - Dillian Whyte VS Jermaine Franklin
December 3 - Tyson Fury VS Derek Chisora
December 10 - Jared Anderson VS Jerry Forrest

[Ruthless-RKO]

More upcoming HW fights:

November 5 - Zhan Kossobutskiy VS Hussein Muhamed
November 26 - Dillian Whyte VS Jermaine Franklin
December 3 - Tyson Fury VS Derek Chisora
December 10 - Jared Anderson VS Jerry Forrest

I missed out the Whyte and Fury bouts because they’re already listed on the rankings.

These at the Bottom will be those are not kinda knocking on the top #15 door.

I’ll add those two as well. Good shout.

[tiny_acres]

The vote is over.

Wilder remains at #3 despite his KO win, Sanchez moves up to #11 and Helenius exits the rankings.

We will do a separate thread this week to vote Fury back in.

Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

2. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

4. Joe Joyce - 15(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: 26.11.2022 vs. Jermaine Franklin - 32(23) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #52)

8. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight: 03.12.2022 vs. Tyson Fury - 32(23) 0 1 - (unranked)

9. Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Frank Sanchez - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. VACANT

Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

03.12.2022 - Daniel Dubois - 18(17) 1(1) 0 (BoxRec's #17) vs. Kevin Lerena - 28(14) 1(0) 0 - (BoxRec's #23)

16.12.2022 - Arslanbek Makhmudov - 15(14) 0 0 (BoxRec's #18) vs. TBA - 0(0) 0 0 - ()

I thought Wilder had more votes to move to #2 than to stay at 3 or drop to 4???

[Ruthless-RKO]

The vote is over.

Wilder remains at #3 despite his KO win, Sanchez moves up to #11 and Helenius exits the rankings.

We will do a separate thread this week to vote Fury back in.

Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

2. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

4. Joe Joyce - 15(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: 26.11.2022 vs. Jermaine Franklin - 32(23) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #52)

8. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight: 03.12.2022 vs. Tyson Fury - 32(23) 0 1 - (unranked)

9. Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Frank Sanchez - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. VACANT

Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

03.12.2022 - Daniel Dubois - 18(17) 1(1) 0 (BoxRec's #17) vs. Kevin Lerena - 28(14) 1(0) 0 - (BoxRec's #23)

16.12.2022 - Arslanbek Makhmudov - 15(14) 0 0 (BoxRec's #18) vs. TBA - 0(0) 0 0 - ()

I thought Wilder had more votes to move to #2 than to stay at 3 or drop to 4???

Before I closed the vote there was around equal votes to keep him 3 or drop him 4. I worked it on the average votes.

[gregregegg]

More upcoming HW fights:

November 5 - Zhan Kossobutskiy VS Hussein Muhamed
November 26 - Dillian Whyte VS Jermaine Franklin
December 3 - Tyson Fury VS Derek Chisora
December 10 - Jared Anderson VS Jerry Forrest

I missed out the Whyte and Fury bouts because they’re already listed on the rankings.

These at the Bottom will be those are not kinda knocking on the top #15 door.

I’ll add those two as well. Good shout.

DDD and anderson should enter the rankings if they get good wins in december thats a bit exciting.

[margaret thatcher]

The vote is over.

Wilder remains at #3 despite his KO win, Sanchez moves up to #11 and Helenius exits the rankings.

We will do a separate thread this week to vote Fury back in.

Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

2. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

4. Joe Joyce - 15(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: 26.11.2022 vs. Jermaine Franklin - 32(23) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #52)

8. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight: 03.12.2022 vs. Tyson Fury - 32(23) 0 1 - (unranked)

9. Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Frank Sanchez - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. VACANT

Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

03.12.2022 - Daniel Dubois - 18(17) 1(1) 0 (BoxRec's #17) vs. Kevin Lerena - 28(14) 1(0) 0 - (BoxRec's #23)

16.12.2022 - Arslanbek Makhmudov - 15(14) 0 0 (BoxRec's #18) vs. TBA - 0(0) 0 0 - ()

I thought Wilder had more votes to move to #2 than to stay at 3 or drop to 4???

the most votes of any single option were for him to go to 2, but #3 and #4 combined had more votes than that, so it averages out to him staying. it makes sense, basically most people thought he shouldnt move up

personally i voted him to 2, i think just getting a win made the difference between him and aj, given that they were both short on recent wins prior to last week. tbh its been a while for either of them to get a particularly good win, i think they basically just go back and forth this point based on who won last

[Ruthless-RKO]

I voted him 2 as well..
I probably won’t have an option to drop boxers after a win going forward.. depends on who the opponent is.

[margaret thatcher]

no, you should definitely let people drop boxers with a win, it would be ridiciulous not to. lots of people do it and it comes off as you enforcing your own ranking preference too much

often guys in this list will come off inactivity to crush a can. in the meantime the division will have changed, and it is often appropriate to reposition a guy who scored a meaningless win based on what else has happened. we also get guys who simply hold on by attrition too long, without doing anything, and being able to vote them down on a win gives us a chance to account for that

[Ruthless-RKO]

no, you should definitely let people drop boxers with a win, it would be ridiciulous not to. lots of people do it and it comes off as you enforcing your own ranking preference too much

often guys in this list will come off inactivity to crush a can. in the meantime the division will have changed, and it is often appropriate to reposition a guy who scored a meaningless win based on what else has happened. we also get guys who simply hold on by attrition too long, without doing anything, and being able to vote them down on a win gives us a chance to account for that

Wallin is becoming that guy very quick.

Soko and Forrest..