Deontay Wilder vs. Robert Helenius | FITE tv - 15 October 2022

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900% of his opponents were toilet

So you don’t think he’s one of the biggest punchers in history?

Definitely not. I measure 'best ever's against quality opposition. Not the dross Wilder's fought. Apart from Fury and Ortiz, I would pick prime Alex Stewart to knockout the rest.

[Controversial]

His power is self evident in the way he ends fights,
his right hand is a one punch fight ender and not many fighters have that to rely on. Bruno was a big puncher and he never stopped anyone world class, Mike Tyson didn’t knock out any “great” fighters (unless we say Holmes was still a great when they fought).

[Dioufy]

900% of his opponents were toilet

So you don’t think he’s one of the biggest punchers in history?

Definitely not. I measure 'best ever's against quality opposition. Not the dross Wilder's fought. Apart from Fury and Ortiz, I would pick prime Alex Stewart to knockout the rest.

Fair enough. Everyone entitled to their option and mine is that’s he’s a freakish puncher for 15st and deserving of being in the conversation when the subject is huge punchers.

I don’t really pick at resumes as boxing is now different from 40 years ago and will probably continue with the mantra of lowest risk/highest reward fights until it most likely gets banned when the dementia link train hits.

Then we can all join a badminton forum and argue there.

[quickeyg]

After Anthony Joshua has rested up and tried to recover from his EPIC MELTDOWN in the ring after the Usyk 2 rematch (Saudi), oh I forgot his SISSY crying as well in the post-fight press conference - I think AJ should face WIlder next year.

Of course Joshua vs WIlder could mean only 1 outcome - Joshua getting stretchered out the ring and becomes this endless meme for life


Tyson Fury has conquered America with that crazy trilogy with Wilder (Something which dusty Joshua could never do) Fury could use that to trigger little AJ into showing WHO he really is off camera (see Jarrell Miller confrontation)

[Cask]

All big punchers have opponents they don’t stop, struggle with or lose to.

Yep, just Wilder has more of 'em.

Stopped everyone he’s ever faced apart from Fury (4 KDs tho).

Wilder is technically atrocious but to me he’s one of the biggest punchers of all time.

One of.

See this is what I mean about the clever matchmaking, he couldn't stop Stiverne when Stiverne actually trained, despite landing about 100 flush right hands, so they dragged him back in an absolute fat disgraceful state not fit for the ring and Wilder stopped him, so they can say he's stopped every man he's ever faced

Stiverne ffs, another guy who has been stopped several times, even before Wilder couldn't stop him

[Cask]

Wow… calm ya tits…

He’s definitely up there. Look at the way he’s dispatched some of his opponents and for someone whose just over 15st to have the record he does (it might not be a whose who of ATGs but that’s boxing these days) says something for his power.

And try not to be silly, man. I in no way said he’s the biggest puncher of all time because he blew away Helenius… my opinion is based on just more than his last fight.

Wilder never laid out Breazeale or Ortiz or even Audley Harrison, all of them were up by the end of the count, David Price in comparison laid Audley face first, Ruiz dropped Ortiz every time he touched him and Charles Martin dropped Ortiz heavy with a jab, Breazeale gets hurt by every punch that hits him

Oh, he laid out Artur Spzilka, who's been knocked out about 300 times

And an old Liakovich

For somebody who keeps talking about killing people with his power and leaving guys twitching, the only guy he's actually left twitching was Liakovich

You lost me at “Wilder never laid out Ortiz” tbh.

One of the best punches of all time, baby!

He got back up before the ten count, that's not being paid out, and Ortiz is obviously chinny af without the PEDs, dropped by jab from a man they called the worst heavyweight title holder in history, Charles Martin. Martin actually has a better record than Stiverne now!!!

[gilgamesh]

Yep, just Wilder has more of 'em.

Stopped everyone he’s ever faced apart from Fury (4 KDs tho).

Wilder is technically atrocious but to me he’s one of the biggest punchers of all time.

One of.

See this is what I mean about the clever matchmaking, he couldn't stop Stiverne when Stiverne actually trained, despite landing about 100 flush right hands, so they dragged him back in an absolute fat disgraceful state not fit for the ring and Wilder stopped him, so they can say he's stopped every man he's ever faced

Stiverne ffs, another guy who has been stopped several times, even before Wilder couldn't stop him

He got stopped once before Wilder stopped him in the rematch.

I only watched the first fight between 'em once, but I don't remember Wilder landing a sh*t load of flush right hands and Stiverne eating 'em up. I don't remember that, because it didn't happen.

He jabbed, kept his distance and played it safe in the first Stiverne fight because that was the first time he (Wilder) had really faced a big puncher himself. There are power punches and there are power punches. He wasn't coming forward in killer mode like he usually does in that fight. I'm sure he landed some right hands in that fight, but he was fighting on the back foot all fight long.

[Cask]

His power is self evident in the way he ends fights,
his right hand is a one punch fight ender and not many fighters have that to rely on. Bruno was a big puncher and he never stopped anyone world class, Mike Tyson didn’t knock out any “great” fighters (unless we say Holmes was still a great when they fought).

Bruno at least stopped some tricky contenders and not just club fighters with bad chins like Wilders first 30 fights

Take Mike Jameson, Bruno knocked him out cold in two rounds, the only people to stop Jameson were Mike Tyson (five rounds) George Foreman (four rounds) and then undefeated in 15 Tony Fulilangi

so that is a good demonstration of Frank's power

Wilder has absolutely no durable boxers on his record like that, chinny fat club fighters to chinny contenders to a woeful champion he couldn't KO

[Cask]

Stopped everyone he’s ever faced apart from Fury (4 KDs tho).

Wilder is technically atrocious but to me he’s one of the biggest punchers of all time.

One of.

See this is what I mean about the clever matchmaking, he couldn't stop Stiverne when Stiverne actually trained, despite landing about 100 flush right hands, so they dragged him back in an absolute fat disgraceful state not fit for the ring and Wilder stopped him, so they can say he's stopped every man he's ever faced

Stiverne ffs, another guy who has been stopped several times, even before Wilder couldn't stop him

He got stopped once before Wilder stopped him in the rematch.

I only watched the first fight between 'em once, but I don't remember Wilder landing a sh*t load of flush right hands and Stiverne eating 'em up. I don't remember that, because it didn't happen.

He jabbed, kept his distance and played it safe in the first Stiverne fight because that was the first time he (Wilder) had really faced a big puncher himself. There are power punches and there are power punches. He wasn't coming forward in killer mode like he usually does in that fight. I'm sure he landed some right hands in that fight, but he was fighting on the back foot all fight long.

and several times after Stivernes record is shit And he still got stopped

And Stivernes best opponent was Chris Arreola times 2 ffs, Wilder is possibly the hardest bigger in boxing history but he had to fight on the backfoot against Stiverne because of Stivernes power??

[Cask]

He lands plenty of right hands here

[Cask]

I also notice Stiverne has never heard of cutting off the ring

[brilo33]

i think wilder would ko usyk and aj , he has improved as a boxer he flatlined ortiz, Stiverne was a tough man wilder was raw when they faced some times it dont happen but with wilder he more or less will have you down how many fighters have put wilder down, you can say the pedigree of the fighters he has faced are so are everyone elses , who has faced the best of the best at there prime no one its prizes fighting get in win get paid thats it ,

[gilgamesh]

See this is what I mean about the clever matchmaking, he couldn't stop Stiverne when Stiverne actually trained, despite landing about 100 flush right hands, so they dragged him back in an absolute fat disgraceful state not fit for the ring and Wilder stopped him, so they can say he's stopped every man he's ever faced

Stiverne ffs, another guy who has been stopped several times, even before Wilder couldn't stop him

He got stopped once before Wilder stopped him in the rematch.

I only watched the first fight between 'em once, but I don't remember Wilder landing a sh*t load of flush right hands and Stiverne eating 'em up. I don't remember that, because it didn't happen.

He jabbed, kept his distance and played it safe in the first Stiverne fight because that was the first time he (Wilder) had really faced a big puncher himself. There are power punches and there are power punches. He wasn't coming forward in killer mode like he usually does in that fight. I'm sure he landed some right hands in that fight, but he was fighting on the back foot all fight long.

and several times after Stivernes record is shit And he still got stopped

And Stivernes best opponent was Chris Arreola times 2 ffs, Wilder is possibly the hardest bigger in boxing history but he had to fight on the backfoot against Stiverne because of Stivernes power??

Had to? No

Chose to? Yes

People choose different strategies sometimes. Crazy right?

[brilo33]

See this is what I mean about the clever matchmaking, he couldn't stop Stiverne when Stiverne actually trained, despite landing about 100 flush right hands, so they dragged him back in an absolute fat disgraceful state not fit for the ring and Wilder stopped him, so they can say he's stopped every man he's ever faced

Stiverne ffs, another guy who has been stopped several times, even before Wilder couldn't stop him

He got stopped once before Wilder stopped him in the rematch.

I only watched the first fight between 'em once, but I don't remember Wilder landing a sh*t load of flush right hands and Stiverne eating 'em up. I don't remember that, because it didn't happen.

He jabbed, kept his distance and played it safe in the first Stiverne fight because that was the first time he (Wilder) had really faced a big puncher himself. There are power punches and there are power punches. He wasn't coming forward in killer mode like he usually does in that fight. I'm sure he landed some right hands in that fight, but he was fighting on the back foot all fight long.

and several times after Stivernes record is shit And he still got stopped

And Stivernes best opponent was Chris Arreola times 2 ffs, Wilder is possibly the hardest bigger in boxing history but he had to fight on the backfoot against Stiverne because of Stivernes power??

yea but wilder has face the undisputed world champion 3 times and has put up a show every time

[Cask]

He got stopped once before Wilder stopped him in the rematch.

I only watched the first fight between 'em once, but I don't remember Wilder landing a sh*t load of flush right hands and Stiverne eating 'em up. I don't remember that, because it didn't happen.

He jabbed, kept his distance and played it safe in the first Stiverne fight because that was the first time he (Wilder) had really faced a big puncher himself. There are power punches and there are power punches. He wasn't coming forward in killer mode like he usually does in that fight. I'm sure he landed some right hands in that fight, but he was fighting on the back foot all fight long.

and several times after Stivernes record is shit And he still got stopped

And Stivernes best opponent was Chris Arreola times 2 ffs, Wilder is possibly the hardest bigger in boxing history but he had to fight on the backfoot against Stiverne because of Stivernes power??

Had to? No

Chose to? Yes

People choose different strategies sometimes. Crazy right?

Who was the guy who was like 40-0 with 38 knockouts and then he got trashed when he fought a guy who didn't fold under one of two punches,
I
Mexican guy, they were saying at the time he might be one of the hardest hitters in boxing be wise of his record, now nobody ever talks about him

[gilgamesh]

I think that dudes name was David Rodriguez

[Cask]

He got stopped once before Wilder stopped him in the rematch.

I only watched the first fight between 'em once, but I don't remember Wilder landing a sh*t load of flush right hands and Stiverne eating 'em up. I don't remember that, because it didn't happen.

He jabbed, kept his distance and played it safe in the first Stiverne fight because that was the first time he (Wilder) had really faced a big puncher himself. There are power punches and there are power punches. He wasn't coming forward in killer mode like he usually does in that fight. I'm sure he landed some right hands in that fight, but he was fighting on the back foot all fight long.

and several times after Stivernes record is shit And he still got stopped

And Stivernes best opponent was Chris Arreola times 2 ffs, Wilder is possibly the hardest bigger in boxing history but he had to fight on the backfoot against Stiverne because of Stivernes power??

yea but wilder has face the undisputed world champion 3 times and has put up a show every time

Wilders got balls no doubt about that, delusional sometimes but he has the heart

[brilo33]

and several times after Stivernes record is shit And he still got stopped

And Stivernes best opponent was Chris Arreola times 2 ffs, Wilder is possibly the hardest bigger in boxing history but he had to fight on the backfoot against Stiverne because of Stivernes power??

yea but wilder has face the undisputed world champion 3 times and has put up a show every time

Wilders got balls no doubt about that, delusional sometimes but he has the heart

he is better than that how many fighters have put wilder down

[Controversial]

His power is self evident in the way he ends fights,
his right hand is a one punch fight ender and not many fighters have that to rely on. Bruno was a big puncher and he never stopped anyone world class, Mike Tyson didn’t knock out any “great” fighters (unless we say Holmes was still a great when they fought).

Bruno at least stopped some tricky contenders and not just club fighters with bad chins like Wilders first 30 fights

Take Mike Jameson, Bruno knocked him out cold in two rounds, the only people to stop Jameson were Mike Tyson (five rounds) George Foreman (four rounds) and then undefeated in 15 Tony Fulilangi

so that is a good demonstration of Frank's power

Wilder has absolutely no durable boxers on his record like that, chinny fat club fighters to chinny contenders to a woeful champion he couldn't KO

It’s more the manner Wilder knocks people out, he flattens a lot with one punch. Bruno rarely done that. Wilders best punch would trouble any HW, it’s irreverent who he’s beat, he has that equaliser.

Anyone’s career can be dissected to look bad. Foreman fought a lot of journeyman types when he turned pro, most were under 200lb too. Tyson didn’t beat anyone half decent until his 18th fight. Check out Shavers record, loads of his fights were against poor opposition, lots had losing records


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[brilo33]

His power is self evident in the way he ends fights,
his right hand is a one punch fight ender and not many fighters have that to rely on. Bruno was a big puncher and he never stopped anyone world class, Mike Tyson didn’t knock out any “great” fighters (unless we say Holmes was still a great when they fought).

Bruno at least stopped some tricky contenders and not just club fighters with bad chins like Wilders first 30 fights

Take Mike Jameson, Bruno knocked him out cold in two rounds, the only people to stop Jameson were Mike Tyson (five rounds) George Foreman (four rounds) and then undefeated in 15 Tony Fulilangi

so that is a good demonstration of Frank's power

Wilder has absolutely no durable boxers on his record like that, chinny fat club fighters to chinny contenders to a woeful champion he couldn't KO

come of it cas i remember my dad always making us laugh doing an impression of a grave digger brushing of his shoulders of mud and dust as it was the next corpse to face bruno , wilder is a huge puncher i mean i dont like man but i give him his dues

[Controversial]

His power is self evident in the way he ends fights,
his right hand is a one punch fight ender and not many fighters have that to rely on. Bruno was a big puncher and he never stopped anyone world class, Mike Tyson didn’t knock out any “great” fighters (unless we say Holmes was still a great when they fought).

Bruno at least stopped some tricky contenders and not just club fighters with bad chins like Wilders first 30 fights

Take Mike Jameson, Bruno knocked him out cold in two rounds, the only people to stop Jameson were Mike Tyson (five rounds) George Foreman (four rounds) and then undefeated in 15 Tony Fulilangi

so that is a good demonstration of Frank's power

Wilder has absolutely no durable boxers on his record like that, chinny fat club fighters to chinny contenders to a woeful champion he couldn't KO

come of it cas i remember my dad always making us laugh doing an impression of a grave digger brushing of his shoulders of mud and dust as it was the next corpse to face bruno , wilder is a huge puncher i mean i dont like man but i give him his dues

Who can forget Chuck Gardner

[brilo33]

Bruno at least stopped some tricky contenders and not just club fighters with bad chins like Wilders first 30 fights

Take Mike Jameson, Bruno knocked him out cold in two rounds, the only people to stop Jameson were Mike Tyson (five rounds) George Foreman (four rounds) and then undefeated in 15 Tony Fulilangi

so that is a good demonstration of Frank's power

Wilder has absolutely no durable boxers on his record like that, chinny fat club fighters to chinny contenders to a woeful champion he couldn't KO

come of it cas i remember my dad always making us laugh doing an impression of a grave digger brushing of his shoulders of mud and dust as it was the next corpse to face bruno , wilder is a huge puncher i mean i dont like man but i give him his dues

Who can forget Chuck Gardner

funny you say him but that is who the old man was saying no disrespect chuck

[GreenLightning]

His power is self evident in the way he ends fights,
his right hand is a one punch fight ender and not many fighters have that to rely on. Bruno was a big puncher and he never stopped anyone world class, Mike Tyson didn’t knock out any “great” fighters (unless we say Holmes was still a great when they fought).

Bruno at least stopped some tricky contenders and not just club fighters with bad chins like Wilders first 30 fights

Take Mike Jameson, Bruno knocked him out cold in two rounds, the only people to stop Jameson were Mike Tyson (five rounds) George Foreman (four rounds) and then undefeated in 15 Tony Fulilangi

so that is a good demonstration of Frank's power

Wilder has absolutely no durable boxers on his record like that, chinny fat club fighters to chinny contenders to a woeful champion he couldn't KO

It’s more the manner Wilder knocks people out, he flattens a lot with one punch. Bruno rarely done that. Wilders best punch would trouble any HW, it’s irreverent who he’s beat, he has that equaliser.

Anyone’s career can be dissected to look bad. Foreman fought a lot of journeyman types when he turned pro, most were under 200lb too. Tyson didn’t beat anyone half decent until his 18th fight. Check out Shavers record, loads of his fights were against poor opposition, lots had losing records


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He hasn't flattened any more than AJ or Klitschko, they get back up but are too wobbly to continue, Audley Vs Wilder, Audley is up at 8, Audley Vs Price, Audley is out cold face first on the ground

Watch how Eric Molina was clearly not scared of Wilder after tasting his power, and almost even chinned him, compared to how terrified he was of AJ, who's knockout punch almost made Molina's head snap back and touch his arse, AJ flattened Molina with the first flush punch he landed, Wilder sure didnt

Foreman fought bums, he also almost murdered undefeated Frazier and nearly killed Ken Norton coming off the Ali victories, Foreman left MANY more men lying twitching on the canvas than Wilder, Foreman was legitimately scary, Wilder seems like hell forever be insecure about his power until he actually kills someone, his carry on after the Helenius fight was embarrassinf

[Cask]

His power is self evident in the way he ends fights,
his right hand is a one punch fight ender and not many fighters have that to rely on. Bruno was a big puncher and he never stopped anyone world class, Mike Tyson didn’t knock out any “great” fighters (unless we say Holmes was still a great when they fought).

Bruno at least stopped some tricky contenders and not just club fighters with bad chins like Wilders first 30 fights

Take Mike Jameson, Bruno knocked him out cold in two rounds, the only people to stop Jameson were Mike Tyson (five rounds) George Foreman (four rounds) and then undefeated in 15 Tony Fulilangi

so that is a good demonstration of Frank's power

Wilder has absolutely no durable boxers on his record like that, chinny fat club fighters to chinny contenders to a woeful champion he couldn't KO

come of it cas i remember my dad always making us laugh doing an impression of a grave digger brushing of his shoulders of mud and dust as it was the next corpse to face bruno , wilder is a huge puncher i mean i dont like man but i give him his dues

Wilder never fought a fighter as durable as Mike Jameson in his first 35 fights, s o O wouldn't go making fun of Bruno


If he had ONE spectacular OK over a guy known for durability, we can talk about all time power status

[brilo33]

Bruno at least stopped some tricky contenders and not just club fighters with bad chins like Wilders first 30 fights

Take Mike Jameson, Bruno knocked him out cold in two rounds, the only people to stop Jameson were Mike Tyson (five rounds) George Foreman (four rounds) and then undefeated in 15 Tony Fulilangi

so that is a good demonstration of Frank's power

Wilder has absolutely no durable boxers on his record like that, chinny fat club fighters to chinny contenders to a woeful champion he couldn't KO

come of it cas i remember my dad always making us laugh doing an impression of a grave digger brushing of his shoulders of mud and dust as it was the next corpse to face bruno , wilder is a huge puncher i mean i dont like man but i give him his dues

Wilder never fought a fighter as durable as Mike Jameson in his first 35 fights, s o O wouldn't go making fun of Bruno


If he had ONE spectacular OK over a guy known for durability, we can talk about all time power status

your right wilder had had fought dan sheehan Audley Harrison and world champion by 35 fights , not making fun of bruno the same the same way your not makeing fun of wilder