Errol Spence Jr. vs. Terence Crawford | Showtime PPV - July 29, 2023

[Cent0089]

Is it possible Spence will give Jaron Ennis title shot?

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Wondering if Spence will come with similar trash fight, something like Jamal James LOL

Looking at Stanionis

[joshj909]

[Thomastearns]

If we're discussing a video game version of a Spence Jr.-Crawford bout, then I'd have to pick the more experienced gamer, rather than the fighter chosen at the character selection screen.

Because let's face it, we're more likely to see this fight happen in video games than in reality.

The whole things looking more and more like a bad joke - on us.

They should just come out and say that they couldn't care less about boxing fans.

Everyone knows, but a bit of unexpected honesty might claw them back a few points.

[Perkin Warbeck]

[Bandog]

After thinking about it, I would just move up to 154 if I were him. Crawford can move up if he wants the fight. Spence will have even more size advantage at 154.

Crawford can stay and fight Boots, Thurman, and Virgil Ortiz. Now that he's pissed Spence off, he may never get the fight.

[Bandog]

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Just gonna leave this here

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[Bandog]

It is really nice to see that Bud chose an easy opponent, to fight in Omaha to help Nebraska's economy.

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Get a load of this

[Bandog]

Ruthless I know you're not a PBC fan. While on twitter, why not post the latest interview about Crawford admitting he never wanted, or needed the Spence fight and saying it wl never happen at 147 or 154.

[margaret thatcher]

if you've seen it why not post it yourself bruh

[Sweet Dick Willie]

Man. Who is the bad guy here? I always thought it was Spence but now I'm leaning towards Crawford. Both? Is it Thurman??

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Ruthless I know you're not a PBC fan. While on twitter, why not post the latest interview about Crawford admitting he never wanted, or needed the Spence fight and saying it wl never happen at 147 or 154.

I actually am a PBC fan. They put in good fights at times..

It takes two to make a fight.

I post what I can find.

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Crawford said two unnamed hedge funds offerer them $25m a piece.

Spence was made away of this, but Al didn’t want to work with unidentified investors.

It was probably Prime BLK.

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Crawford: Hedge Fund Offered Me, Spence $25M Guaranteed Apiece; Haymon Wasn’t Interested

Terence Crawford revealed Tuesday night that representatives from two unnamed hedge funds offered to pay him and Errol Spence Jr. guaranteed purses of $25 million apiece during prolonged negotiations with Premier Boxing Champions founder Al Haymon.

Crawford discussed why talks for their high-profile fight fell apart late last month during a 20-minute session streamed on Instagram Live. The unbeaten WBO welterweight champion also divulged that he personally informed Spence of the $50 million offer, but that Haymon, who advises Spence, wouldn’t consider the possibility of working with these unidentified investors Crawford contended were willing to absorb the significant financial risk involved in their pay-per-view showdown.

“We’re going on and on,” Crawford said, “you know? And of course, me and Al, you know, we’re going back and forth, back and forth about, you know, the numbers. We not going back and forth about anything else. We just going back and forth about the numbers. On and on, I have two companies, you know, that reach out to me that, you know, wanted to give me and Spence $25 million guaranteed – $25 million guaranteed, up front. So, a real guy like myself, I called Spence. ‘Hey, bro, look, listen, you know what I mean? I got this company that’s willing to give us $25 million apiece guaranteed. What’s up? What you gonna do?’ He like, ‘Twenty-five million? What about the back end?’

“I’m like, ‘Dude, listen, if they make they money back then we get [an] 80-20 [percentage on the back end]. You know what I mean? It’s simple math.’ I said, ‘Man, we got people who are buying the fight, I mean, stealing the fight. They got the firesticks.’ And he laughed. He like, ‘Man, I got a firestick, too.’ I’m like, ‘See.’ I’m like, ‘Man, ain’t nobody really like buying, you know what I mean, pay-per-views no more.’ I said, ‘Man, we get this up-front money and we good. It’s a no-brainer. You know what I mean?’ ”

Crawford (38-0, 29 KOs) will instead defend his 147-pound crown against Russia’s David Avanesyan (29-3-1, 17 KOs) on December 10 in Crawford’s hometown of Omaha, Nebraska. The three-division champion expects Spence (28-0, 22 KOs), the IBF/WBA/WBC 147-pound champ, to face fellow PBC fighter Keith Thurman (30-1, 22 KOs,1 NC) sometime after he squares off against Avanesyan.

If Crawford and Spence win their upcoming bouts, Crawford wants to resume negotiations for what would be a full welterweight title unification fight. Crawford lamented Tuesday night, however, that because Spence isn’t his own boss that the DeSoto, Texas native couldn’t push for them to take $50 million in guaranteed purses.

The 35-year-old Crawford later explained Tuesday night that he was willing to accept Haymon’s unusual offer of $0 guaranteed for one of the most meaningful fights that can be made in boxing. Crawford apparently was convinced that his share of the revenue from their fight would’ve earned him enough money to work without a guarantee.

That was only after, according to Crawford, Haymon wouldn’t entertain the idea of a third party’s involvement.

“[Spence] had to go back and ask Al for permission, you know, if he can, you know, take this big chunk, a lump sum of money, to fight Terence Crawford,” Crawford said. “Which he didn’t call me back, so I proposed it to Al. I hit up Al. I’m like, ‘Al, listen, you know, man, I got this big hedge fund company out there. You know, they claim they know you. Not one, but two. Not one, but two. You know, two companies willing to put $20-plus million in both of our pockets, guaranteed. Al told me straight up, ‘I’m not letting anybody touch this fight.’ Like, ‘All right, cool.’

“But I’m like, ‘Why?’ He like, ‘Why would you wanna put a ceiling on yourself? Why you wanna put a cap on yourself?’ I’m like, ‘Well, that’s not putting a cap on myself if this company is taking a risk? Then, you know, it’s high risk, I mean, high reward.’ If that’s the case, you know, I can’t see a fight that’s been doing millions [of pay-per-view buys], you know, since Floyd and them. So, you know, that was an altercation.”

[joshj909]

Al Haymon being Al Haymon. Stopping his guys from making more money just so he can make money then convincing them that he's the best guy in the business for them. Who knows what he does behind closed doors to make boxers like him so much because his top guys don't make as much as they should.

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[maverick23]

So if Crawford is to be believed, the only offer he’s had was a back-end PPV offer with no guarantee. He only makes good money if the PPV sells well. If that’s the deal on the deal and he gets a % of PPV profits then I understand him wanting to sign off the big expenses.

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So if Crawford is to be believed, the only offer he’s had was a back-end PPV offer with no guarantee. He only makes good money if the PPV sells well. If that’s the deal on the deal and he gets a % of PPV profits then I understand him wanting to sign off the big expenses.

Worse thing is, it said NET profits, not GROSS.. So he wanted to see what the differences are, where the difference would go?

It's bloody ludicrous.. Spence then says, Bud and his lawyer were asking too many questions?

Kovalev took a similar deal against Ward in the rematch.. But he had a promoter behind him and they where the only ones to promote it.. Ward sat back knowing he's being paid $7m+..

[Bandog]

So if Crawford is to be believed, the only offer he’s had was a back-end PPV offer with no guarantee. He only makes good money if the PPV sells well. If that’s the deal on the deal and he gets a % of PPV profits then I understand him wanting to sign off the big expenses.

That's what happens when you don't have a promoter.

[maverick23]

So if Crawford is to be believed, the only offer he’s had was a back-end PPV offer with no guarantee. He only makes good money if the PPV sells well. If that’s the deal on the deal and he gets a % of PPV profits then I understand him wanting to sign off the big expenses.

That's what happens when you don't have a promoter.

It shouldn’t. Having a promoter will help get a better deal but, if what Crawford’s saying is true, it’s perfectly reasonable to have a say on what big expenses there are.

[Bandog]

So if Crawford is to be believed, the only offer he’s had was a back-end PPV offer with no guarantee. He only makes good money if the PPV sells well. If that’s the deal on the deal and he gets a % of PPV profits then I understand him wanting to sign off the big expenses.

That's what happens when you don't have a promoter.

It shouldn’t. Having a promoter will help get a better deal but, if what Crawford’s saying is true, it’s perfectly reasonable to have a say on what big expenses there are.

The thing is, he wanted full control to approve all expenses. Something he admitted he never did or could do with TR. It's your promoter that gives guarantees. PBC to give him guaranteed money was not going to happen.

[maverick23]

That's what happens when you don't have a promoter.

It shouldn’t. Having a promoter will help get a better deal but, if what Crawford’s saying is true, it’s perfectly reasonable to have a say on what big expenses there are.

The thing is, he wanted full control to approve all expenses. Something he admitted he never did or could do with TR. It's your promoter that gives guarantees. PBC to give him guaranteed money was not going to happen.

He didn’t have to get involved with expenses with top Rank because he was paid a guarantee so he didn’t have an incentive to do so.

It’s also not your promoter that gives guarantees. Guarantees are given to 99% of boxers - whether home or away fighters. They’re also commonly given in PPVs (sometimes with an upside) to away fighters.

Boxing history has examples where promoters (particularly Don King and recently with the McGuigan family) really take the piss with expenses so Crawford has every right to get involved with that if he’s not making a guarantee.

The only way around it would be to agree them in advance. I.E. $2m max budget on the undercard, etc etc.