Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua - 2020 OLD thread

[The Gratest]

So that also explains why AJ made the video that Doofus repeatedly posts. It seems AJ wanted the fight, but others stopped it from happening.
I still don't get why Fury had to make those personal deadlines though? If a fight's going to have such internal complications during negotiations, why put up further unneeded barriers that hinder rather than smooth things through?

It also appears that Chisora is right regarding Fury's obsession with Joshua. Fury seems to be spending more time talking about Joshua and Usyk than his upcoming opponent. This episode and ongoing blahing seems to be alienating quite a few of his fans.

[big lennox]

I think people forget that Joshua has already signed to box Fury, but Fury pulled out to box Wilder for a third time.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I think people forget that Joshua has already signed to box Fury, but Fury pulled out to box Wilder for a third time.

What the judge ruled?

[big lennox]

I think people forget that Joshua has already signed to box Fury, but Fury pulled out to box Wilder for a third time.

What the judge ruled?

Yes, if I recall, the stadium was booked in Saudi, Joshua and Fury both signed and then Fury, because of the Judges ruling, boxed Wilder again. My point being, Joshua is obviously prepared to box Fury.

[The Gratest]

There's a fair chance though Ruthie that Fury and his team would have known that could have happened, so why enter negotiations in the first place?
I guess a similar scenario with Joshua stating he would sign the contract, probably with the knowledge that other things could scupper the deal. All part of the shitty, tiresome mind games that these two are playing with each other, yet now pissing off those who just want to see them fight.

If the fight is ever attempted to be made again, it would be refreshing to just have a complete lack of pre-contract social media posts, just let it get signed, then let the shitfest start. I can't see that happening though, given how one of them goes about his business.

[Ruthless-RKO]

There's a fair chance though Ruthie that Fury and his team would have known that could have happened, so why enter negotiations in the first place?

Yeh, Arum kept saying the arbitration would not be an issue.. But it was.. and then he blamed Hearn.

I guess a similar scenario with Joshua stating he would sign the contract, probably with the knowledge that other things could scupper the deal. All part of the shitty, tiresome mind games that these two are playing with each other, yet now pissing off those who just want to see them fight.

Same shit, different boxer..

[The Gratest]

There's a fair chance though Ruthie that Fury and his team would have known that could have happened, so why enter negotiations in the first place?

Yeh, Arum kept saying the arbitration would not be an issue.. But it was.. and then he blamed Hearn.

I guess a similar scenario with Joshua stating he would sign the contract, probably with the knowledge that other things could scupper the deal. All part of the shitty, tiresome mind games that these two are playing with each other, yet now pissing off those who just want to see them fight.

Same shit, different boxer..

Exactly. There needs to be some objectivity when looking at it, they're both to blame for it not happening. Fury with his date demands and unneeded bizarre deadline setting; Joshua and his team when knowing there are other internal factors involved that complicated negotiations. It's not just 'it's all Fury's fault!' or 'Everyone knows it was AJ who shat it!'.
It's more than likely that they both knew from the start (Fury's calling out video) that it was never going to happen, just posturing and then a boring blame game.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Exactly. There needs to be some objectivity when looking at it, they're both to blame for it not happening. Fury with his date demands and unneeded bizarre deadline setting; Joshua and his team when knowing there are other internal factors involved that complicated negotiations. It's not just 'it's all Fury's fault!' or 'Everyone knows it was AJ who shat it!'.
It's more than likely that they both knew from the start (Fury's calling out video) that it was never going to happen, just posturing and then a boring blame game.

It takes two to negotiate.

[jamesmcdonnell]

There's a fair chance though Ruthie that Fury and his team would have known that could have happened, so why enter negotiations in the first place?

Yeh, Arum kept saying the arbitration would not be an issue.. But it was.. and then he blamed Hearn.

I guess a similar scenario with Joshua stating he would sign the contract, probably with the knowledge that other things could scupper the deal. All part of the shitty, tiresome mind games that these two are playing with each other, yet now pissing off those who just want to see them fight.

Same shit, different boxer..

Exactly. There needs to be some objectivity when looking at it, they're both to blame for it not happening. Fury with his date demands and unneeded bizarre deadline setting; Joshua and his team when knowing there are other internal factors involved that complicated negotiations. It's not just 'it's all Fury's fault!' or 'Everyone knows it was AJ who shat it!'.
It's more than likely that they both knew from the start (Fury's calling out video) that it was never going to happen, just posturing and then a boring blame game.

Yes, to be frank, when I saw the video my first though (as I think I expressed somewhere here) was 'it's never going to happen in time.'

Negotiations for fights of this scale take several months, sometimes years, the idea it would all just fall into place in time for december, was fanciful.

[DrDuke]

Chisora: Joshua Couldn't Fight Fury Due To Complications With Sponsors, Promoters

"AJ is living in Tyson's head rent-free," Chisora said to Sky Sports. "Tyson wakes up every day thinking about AJ and cannot do an interview without mentioning AJ. AJ is off living his life, doing his own thing. I don't know why Tyson keeps talking about AJ."

"AJ could not take the fight because there were so many complications with sponsors and promoters," Chisora explained.

"The fighters always want to fight, just fight, but the complications come from the business people around them who get in the way.

"The managers and promoters get in the way, they make it difficult. Even this fight and contract was a headache stressing me out. People always think making a big fight is easy but it's always such a headache."

^^^

Is there anyone that is not on AJ's d!ck.

The artificial hero has gained so much attention, that he remains to be marketable even after the exposure.

[The Gratest]

Chisora: Joshua Couldn't Fight Fury Due To Complications With Sponsors, Promoters

"AJ is living in Tyson's head rent-free," Chisora said to Sky Sports. "Tyson wakes up every day thinking about AJ and cannot do an interview without mentioning AJ. AJ is off living his life, doing his own thing. I don't know why Tyson keeps talking about AJ."

"AJ could not take the fight because there were so many complications with sponsors and promoters," Chisora explained.

"The fighters always want to fight, just fight, but the complications come from the business people around them who get in the way.

"The managers and promoters get in the way, they make it difficult. Even this fight and contract was a headache stressing me out. People always think making a big fight is easy but it's always such a headache."

^^^

Is there anyone that is not on AJ's d!ck.

The artificial hero has gained so much attention, that he remains to be marketable even after the exposure.

Ack, 50k sold on the first day, not bad.

[BigDoofus]

"The fighters always want to fight, just fight, but the complications come from the business people around them who get in the way.

"The managers and promoters get in the way, they make it difficult.

Hearn has always said that Joshua was the boss.
Did his sponsors and promoter stop him earning multi millions? Is he happy with that?
Or did he not have any intention of fighting again in 2022?

[big lennox]

"The fighters always want to fight, just fight, but the complications come from the business people around them who get in the way.

"The managers and promoters get in the way, they make it difficult.

Hearn has always said that Joshua was the boss.
Did his sponsors and promoter stop him earning multi millions? Is he happy with that?
Or did he not have any intention of fighting again in 2022?

I think Joshua and Co lost confidence in Fury's sincerity. It's the boy who cried wolf. They probably don't believe a single word he says..

[BigDoofus]

I think Joshua and Co lost confidence in Fury's sincerity. It's the boy who cried wolf. They probably don't believe a single word he says..

They both said they'd fight on 3 December. Only one of them is.
Who is the boy who cried wolf?

[joshj909]

I think Joshua and Co lost confidence in Fury's sincerity. It's the boy who cried wolf. They probably don't believe a single word he says..

They both said they'd fight on 3 December. Only one of them is.
Who is the boy who cried wolf?

That was the date Fury requested and AJ said he would make the sacrifices to make that date so it is obvious that Fury would fight on that date rather than AJ should it only.be one of them.

[coneye]

Read somewhere , all the time he was talking about Aj he was also talking to Chisora, apparantly does,nt Aj have something to do with the managerial company Chisora is with ,, hence Aj knew all along it was never has serious has made out publicly , so when the unrealistic demands came in , he knew it was all bullshit ,,, Who knows , its all he said , she said but one things for sure ,they are in charge and i mean both of them , neither are wilting qall flowers who do has there told , BOTH run a tight ship , and if they BOTH really want it too happen it will happen , its a matter of who you believe ,, myself i believe Aj purely because up till now he has not really ducked or refused anyone , Fury pulled out to fight Wilder , who also admitted he was offered a Aj fight and turned it down , Fury well he,s Fury

[maverick23]

Read somewhere , all the time he was talking about Aj he was also talking to Chisora, apparantly does,nt Aj have something to do with the managerial company Chisora is with ,, hence Aj knew all along it was never has serious has made out publicly , so when the unrealistic demands came in , he knew it was all bullshit ,,, Who knows , its all he said , she said but one things for sure ,they are in charge and i mean both of them , neither are wilting qall flowers who do has there told , BOTH run a tight ship , and if they BOTH really want it too happen it will happen , its a matter of who you believe ,, myself i believe Aj purely because up till now he has not really ducked or refused anyone , Fury pulled out to fight Wilder , who also admitted he was offered a Aj fight and turned it down , Fury well he,s Fury

It also took another 3 weeks from when negotiations ended with AJ’s team to sign the deal with Chisora. Yet Del Boy didn’t have deadlines thrown at him on social media and Tyson didn’t come out and say the fight wasn’t happening because his deadline passed.

[coneye]

It really is getting to the stage its all just normal, you believe it when you see it,, its not just this Spence .. Crawford .....Davis ... garcia ... ....Charlo ,,,, Anyone these all spring to mind boxing is still generating money so its not gonna stop ,,,

[The Gratest]

I think Joshua and Co lost confidence in Fury's sincerity. It's the boy who cried wolf. They probably don't believe a single word he says..

They both said they'd fight on 3 December. Only one of them is.
Who is the boy who cried wolf?

Lol. You still just repeating the same thing again and again and again when it's all been explained to you?
You need some new material Doofus.

[big lennox]

I think Joshua and Co lost confidence in Fury's sincerity. It's the boy who cried wolf. They probably don't believe a single word he says..

They both said they'd fight on 3 December. Only one of them is.
Who is the boy who cried wolf?

Lol. You still just repeating the same thing again and again and again when it's all been explained to you?
You need some new material Doofus.

A professional troll, me thinks. Or incredibly earnest and trusting.

[BigDoofus]

its a matter of who you believe ,, myself i believe Aj purely because up till now he has not really ducked or refused anyone , Fury pulled out to fight Wilder , who also admitted he was offered a Aj fight and turned it down , Fury well he,s Fury

[Ruthless-RKO]

Eddie Hearn delivers new reason why Anthony Joshua pulled out of Tyson Fury fight

Anthony Joshua pulled out of his Battle of Britain fight with Tyson Fury after being told he would not get his preferred date for the contest, Eddie Hearn has revealed

“It’s probably a bit of everybody’s fault,” Hearn told talkSPORT.

“It’s a very complex situation for both teams, with TV networks.

“Listen, I don’t mind saying, AJ’s just coming off a defeat, he wanted December 17, but we agreed to December 3, he would have had to get back into the gym immediately, which he was going to do.

“I don’t sit here today, as someone who represents Anthony Joshua, devastated that fight didn’t happen.

“He wanted to take it, so I was all in, but it was a very quick turnaround for him in a fight of that magnitude.”

As the talks continued, Fury hit out at Joshua’s demands for an extended period of recovery and training following his second defeat to Oleksandr Usyk.

He stated in September: “I have November 26 at Wembley or December 3 [at Principality Stadium]. One is 11 weeks, and one is 12 weeks. If a professional athlete who’s shredded all year round can't get himself in shape in three months, there's a problem.”

[BigDoofus]

So now they wanted to fight later? Did he have another fashion show on?
His previous excuse was because Fury said horrible things on Instagram.
If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck..................

[The Gratest]

Of course he wanted to fight later. As you, Doofus, correctly pointed out, the December 3rd date didn't give ample time to conduct a full and proper training camp of 12 weeks plus conditioning for the most important fight of his career.
Why do you keep on arguing with yourself? Truly strange obsessive behaviour.

Cue video post....

[Dioufy]

Hearn said that “he’s not gutted the fight didn’t happen on the 3rd December” because it was a quick turnaround and it was coming off 2 losses to Usyk.