Jake Paul vs. Anderson Silva | Showtime PPV - October 29, 2022

[JCS]

Dan is a shithead. Many years ago, someone hacked his Twitter and started spamming me w/ weight loss advertisements. I responded, suggesting he was the absolute worst person to tell me about the subject. I've been banned ever since.

[JCS]

So was the fix in for the money train or was it a legit fight guys?

I was pretty convinced until round 7... Anderson seemed to suddenly let off the gas.

[gregregegg]

I think he should fight Diaz. I just think it makes sense. Big name, big mouth, great chin, great cardio, decent hands….
didn’t Diaz use to spar (get bashed) by Andre ward? Get him in as a coach for a couple months and Diaz could be Paul’s toughest test yet.

But after that Weight drained Sefer seferi is a decent shout. Imagine if he stops him quicker than fury… how he could roll with that headline.

[joshj909]

Diaz will look tiny against Jake and Diaz's boxing is definitely better suited to MMA. I don't see it working to any effect in boxing. Diaz only throws 1-2s down the middle which are easy to block and avoid with bigger gloves also without the threat of a takedown. He has great recovery and great cardio so I would see him losing a decision. It's a fight for clout and nothing more.

[margaret thatcher]

As much as I think boxing already has too many belts and "champions", I do think they could use a division after 175. Make it 176 to 185 and call it whatever, but I knew a few guys in the gym who were in-betweeners. Too small for CW, but would struggle to make light heavy.

As for Paul, I don't think he belongs on the second page. He obviously hasn't fought enough quality people to be there. The types of guys he should be fighting though for a guy with no AM's experience and 6 fights, Anderson and Woodley, to me, are better than those types of fighters you'd see that boxer taking on, for the most part.

For a few guys I think Paul could beat or have a shot at on the second page, Paul is the money guy here. I'm assuming that those guys can go to 185 and do so safely. Start at #100 and go up even just a few names. I think Paul would have a legitimate shot with a few of those guys. Who's the highest person I think Paul could beat, right now, I'd say Okolie....

Seriously though, I'd say he'd have a legit shot at Sfer Seferi, who I think is just terrible. Could he realistically make 185, probably not, but this is all just if he hypothetically could safely. I think he'd have an honest punchers chance against #65 Shojgreen, who could easily catch Paul, but he doesn't have a solid chin though. Starting at #75 with Lacrosse and going down to #100 Pinchuk, for people with an unbiased opinion about Paul, you can't tell me there isn't a handful of guys you wouldn't think Paul has a shot to beat. Again, he's the money man, so this is assuming those guys could make, say 185-190 safely.

im still not totally convinced on his boxing vs actual career boxers. his best wins are over a 40 year old mma fighter who was a wrestler, and had never boxed before facing him, and a nearly 50 year old long-time mma fighter. both were clearly past their primes in mma and were retired from that sport.

most active top 100 boxers you're talking about guys who have spent at least a decade dedicated to boxing, have plenty of amateur fights, etc. big difference, which i imagine is one reason jake hasnt fought anyone like that yet

although rahman jr isnt even top 100, he does have a long history in boxing , with 100 amateur fights and 13 or so pro, so i was interested in that

[joshj909]

im still not totally convinced on his boxing. his best wins are over a 40 year old wrestler mma fighter who'd never boxed before facing him, and a nearly 50 year old career mma fighter.

most active top 100 boxers you're talking about guys who have spent years dedicated to boxing, have plenty of amateur fights, etc. big difference, which i imagine is one reason jake hasnt ought anyone like that yet

I agree. Boxrec has him ranked 471/1,165 which is probably fair. Look at his opponents!
- Anderson Silva (47 y.o MMA/Muay Thai/Jiu-Jitsu) 3-1-0
- Tyron Woodley (39 y.o MMA/Wrestler) 0-1-0
- Tyron Woodley (39 y.o MMA/Wrestler) 0-0-0
- Ben Askren (36 y.o MMA/Wrestler) 0-0-0
- Nate Robinson (36 y.o Basketballer) 0-0-0
- Ali Eson Gib (25 y.o Youtuber) 0-0-0

Also considering that Silva won 1 fight in his last 9 years and 8 fights in MMA, Tyron Woodley lost his last 4, Askren lost his last two and all three looking chinny towards the end of their careers. Absolutely nobody else in boxing would be considered as highly as Paul based on this record if it wasn't for the casual fans not understanding boxing.

[margaret thatcher]

yup, agree

[armageto]

I don't think anybody here is saying Paul is a great fighter or has beaten top opponents.

The fact still remains that he would be blowing the doors off from opponents that a guy with no AMs experience, having only a handful of fights would be facing. Any other fighter not him would be facing guys 2-8, 3-5, etc at this point.

The reason he isn't facing, say guys near the end of Boxrec rankings on page 4, nobody is interested in that. He's in a weird spot that he has to find opponents that would sell and are known, but obviously aren't going to dust him. So he can't face a top 10 guy or #150 ranked on Boxrec.

I feel he could take out a few of these guys towards the end of the 2nd page. CW is a weak division overall, at least to me. Again be honest with yourself, what fighter with 6 fights and no AM's XP is going anywhere near the second page of Boxrec?!?

After last night, does anybody think Fury beats him if they ever fought? A lot of people are just sour for whatever reason on him. I feel he is helping get exposure to the sport and fighters are getting paid underneath him. That's not a bad thing for boxers or the sports.

[margaret thatcher]

I don't think anybody here is saying Paul is a great fighter or has beaten top opponents.

The fact still remains that he would be blowing the doors off from opponents that a guy with no AMs experience, having only a handful of fights would be facing. Any other fighter not him would be facing guys 2-8, 3-5, etc at this point.

The reason he isn't facing, say guys near the end of Boxrec rankings on page 4, nobody is interested in that. He's in a weird spot that he has to find opponents that would sell and are known, but obviously aren't going to dust him. So he can't face a top 10 guy or #150 ranked on Boxrec.

I feel he could take out a few of these guys towards the end of the 2nd page. CW is a weak division overall, at least to me. Again be honest with yourself, what fighter with 6 fights and no AM's XP is going anywhere near the second page of Boxrec?!?

After last night, does anybody think Fury beats him if they ever fought? A lot of people are just sour for whatever reason on him. I feel he is helping get exposure to the sport and fighters are getting paid underneath him. That's not a bad thing for boxers or the sports.

jake paul isnt near page 2 either bruh, he's rocking dat #471 and has only faced 1 guy who had a boxing match prior to facing him. you are overblowing him a bit

btw i wouldnt be remotely surprised if some 3-10 dude ko'd tyrone woodly, who is a 40 year old shot mma wrestler but still gave jake a tough fight

that stuff about him helping the sport etc is irrelevant to this and a completely different discussion. i dont hate him or mind that he's ffighting. with his background i respect that he's beating anyone with combat experience. i just dont buy that he's beating 'many' top 100 boxers right now

[joshj909]

I don't think anybody here is saying Paul is a great fighter or has beaten top opponents.

The fact still remains that he would be blowing the doors off from opponents that a guy with no AMs experience, having only a handful of fights would be facing. Any other fighter not him would be facing guys 2-8, 3-5, etc at this point.

The reason he isn't facing, say guys near the end of Boxrec rankings on page 4, nobody is interested in that. He's in a weird spot that he has to find opponents that would sell and are known, but obviously aren't going to dust him. So he can't face a top 10 guy or #150 ranked on Boxrec.

I feel he could take out a few of these guys towards the end of the 2nd page. CW is a weak division overall, at least to me. Again be honest with yourself, what fighter with 6 fights and no AM's XP is going anywhere near the second page of Boxrec?!?

After last night, does anybody think Fury beats him if they ever fought? A lot of people are just sour for whatever reason on him. I feel he is helping get exposure to the sport and fighters are getting paid underneath him. That's not a bad thing for boxers or the sports.

jake paul isnt near page 2 either bruh, he's rocking dat #471 and has only faced 1 guy who had a boxing match prior to facing him. you are overblowing him a bit

btw i wouldnt be remotely surprised if some 3-10 dude ko'd tyrone woodly, who is a 40 year old shot mma wrestler but still gave jake a tough fight

that stuff about him helping the sport etc is irrelevant to this and a completely different discussion. i dont hate him or mind that he's ffighting. with his background i respect that he's beating anyone with combat experience. i just dont buy that he's beating 'many' top 100 boxers right now

You also don't have those guys who are 6-0 against bums calling out Canelo, claiming to be the face of boxing and stating they are the best guy in the division.

[armageto]

I don't think anybody here is saying Paul is a great fighter or has beaten top opponents.

The fact still remains that he would be blowing the doors off from opponents that a guy with no AMs experience, having only a handful of fights would be facing. Any other fighter not him would be facing guys 2-8, 3-5, etc at this point.

The reason he isn't facing, say guys near the end of Boxrec rankings on page 4, nobody is interested in that. He's in a weird spot that he has to find opponents that would sell and are known, but obviously aren't going to dust him. So he can't face a top 10 guy or #150 ranked on Boxrec.

I feel he could take out a few of these guys towards the end of the 2nd page. CW is a weak division overall, at least to me. Again be honest with yourself, what fighter with 6 fights and no AM's XP is going anywhere near the second page of Boxrec?!?

After last night, does anybody think Fury beats him if they ever fought? A lot of people are just sour for whatever reason on him. I feel he is helping get exposure to the sport and fighters are getting paid underneath him. That's not a bad thing for boxers or the sports.

jake paul isnt near page 2 either bruh, he's rocking dat #471 and has only faced 1 guy who had a boxing match prior to facing him. you are overblowing him a bit

btw i wouldnt be remotely surprised if some 3-10 dude ko'd tyrone woodly, who is a 40 year old shot mma wrestler but still gave jake a tough fight

that stuff about him helping the sport etc is irrelevant to this and a completely different discussion. i dont hate him or mind that he's ffighting. with his background i respect that he's beating anyone with combat experience. i just dont buy that he's beating 'many' top 100 boxers right now

You also don't have those guys who are 6-0 against bums calling out Canelo, claiming to be the face of boxing and stating they are the best guy in the division.

To the first response, I never said Paul belonged on page #2. You can look at my past responses and clearly see that. I know what he is. He's went a lot farther than I thought he would and has improved a lot in 4 years.

Two the second response, Paul is trying to sell fights. All boxers do it and if he keeps winning, I don't doubt Canelo fights him.

[margaret thatcher]

well you already have him beating 'many' guys on page 2, so how far off do you think he could be? if you really think that, i'd take it that you believe on ability he probably is at least a top 75 cruiser in the world, despite having only fought 1 guy who actually had a boxing match, amateur or pro, prior to fighting him

i dont have any problem with jake paul, but that just seems over the top to me

[armageto]

well you already have him beating 'many' guys on page 2, so how far off do you think he could be? if you really think that, i'd take it that you believe on ability he probably is at least a top 75 cruiser in the world, despite having only fought 1 guy who actually had a boxing match, amateur or pro, prior to fighting him

i dont have any problem with jake paul, but that just seems over the top to me

You don't have to beat a top fighter to beat guys in the lower portion of the top 100 at 175 or CW. You can look and see a lot of these guys aren't great. Just because you have a chance to beat these fighters doesn't mean you are there yet. 2 years ago I thought Ennis would beat every one in the WW division, outside TC and Spence. That didn't necessarily mean he was a top 3 fighter, or even top 10 at that time. It just meant that he has the ability/upside to beat them. Whether he could or not, different story

I think if Paul progressed as any young fighter would, he would make it into the top 100. This won't happen however because he needs opponents people are familiar with and eventually he's going to cash out in a mega fight if he keeps winning.

[gregregegg]

Ok from pure record scanning, here are a list of page 1/2 guys that i think jake paul would have some chance against.

*Note, the cruisers he drags down to 185, the light heavys he drags up to 190....

Cruisers:

-Firat Arslan, boxrec rank 46th, 52 years old, 1 million miles on the clock.

-Olanrewaju Durodola boxrec rank 53rd, 42 years old, Chinny.

-Sefer Seferi, boxrec rank 63rd, 43 years old, never beat a pulse.... (cant explain his rank being so high).

-Joel Shojgreen, 65th on boxrec, 40 years old, has 1 decent victory that was a round 1 KO, may be a fluke...

-Dzemal Bosnjak, 99th boxrec, 4-6, old.

-trev pulev? not yet, but mabey in a year or so.

Light heavy

- Leandro Silva, boxrec ranked 100th (justtt a 2nd pager...) 36, short, not good at boxing.


Bonus: Heavyweights

- paul Gallen, boxrec 61st, 41, ( if he dragged him down bellow 200.)
- shawndell winters, boxrec 96th, 41 (winters if you dragged him to 185.)

This demonstraits the fact that boxrec has a bias for overranking old guys that have faded to shit... but, i think its a pretty reasonable list of top 100 boxers jake paul would have a chance with.

[margaret thatcher]

hasnt fought a guy with a single amateur boxing match, but we're talking about him beating an olympic medalist next year? please jake just fight an actual boxer with some half decent experience so we can settle this

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[gregregegg]

hasnt fought a guy with a single amateur boxing match, but we're talking about him beating an olympic medalist next year? please jake just fight an actual boxer with some half decent experience so we can settle this

What im saying is an athletic 26 year old that will have boxed for 5 years and has unlimited boxing resorces and is clearly improving might have chance against a 40 year old who was in the olympics 11 years ago but has never boxed above area levle as a pro. I dont think thats wildly controversial.

within the first 5 years of boxing wilder had won an olympic bronze, Joyce was the GB amature champ, anthony joshua won olympic gold.... so paul possibly being able to beat a 40 year old bang average pro isnt the craziest ask.

just a note... Silva beat charves jr who is an ex world champ, Thats crazier... But we both know charves jr wasnt nearrr world champ levle by the time silva beat him. just like we also know trev isnt nearrr olympic medal levle anymore (and never was as a pro)...

Paul hasnt proved much yet so it means fuk all. doubt it ever happens, but its just guessing on the concept of who he could possibly beat in the top 100.

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[Ruthless-RKO]

[AngryGoon38]

I like Teddy's tweets. He's a good ole Fellow.

I forgot to mention in that other thread, that I Do Still watch that one YouTube channel that he's a regular analyst in.

[margaret thatcher]

hasnt fought a guy with a single amateur boxing match, but we're talking about him beating an olympic medalist next year? please jake just fight an actual boxer with some half decent experience so we can settle this

What im saying is an athletic 26 year old that will have boxed for 5 years and has unlimited boxing resorces and is clearly improving might have chance against a 40 year old who was in the olympics 11 years ago but has never boxed above area levle as a pro. I dont think thats wildly controversial.

within the first 5 years of boxing wilder had won an olympic bronze, Joyce was the GB amature champ, anthony joshua won olympic gold.... so paul possibly being able to beat a 40 year old bang average pro isnt the craziest ask.

just a note... Silva beat charves jr who is an ex world champ, Thats crazier... But we both know charves jr wasnt nearrr world champ levle by the time silva beat him. just like we also know trev isnt nearrr olympic medal levle anymore (and never was as a pro)...

Paul hasnt proved much yet so it means fuk all. doubt it ever happens, but its just guessing on the concept of who he could possibly beat in the top 100.

no one jake has fought would make it past regionals of the abas here. and in fact they would all be in the novice category, since none have even had a single am fight. and to think of it, his last 2 would be too old to even enter i just think it's a big leap from what he's been doing (putting in dat #471 work) to beating 'many' top 100 pro boxers.

he won a md and was in trouble vs tyrone woodley, a 40 year old shot mma wrestler not long ago. even in the rematch until the stoppage. he's done great coming from where he has and i respect that he's beating anyone with pro combat experience, but to me he looks well off the level being proposed for him, some jp koolaid being gulped

and of course, continually fighting old retired, past prime mma fighters isnt exactly the secret to improvement in pro boxing

[daz74]

Jake Paul #219 in Cruiser rankings, wonder who he’ll fight next ?

[AngryGoon38]

Jake Paul #219 in Cruiser rankings, wonder who he’ll fight next ?

They Really Do Need to just Go ahead and make a "Junior Cruiserweight division".

176-187 Would be technically idealistic enough, and the Most Straightforward approach.

Or just 175.5-187.5, and then regular Cruiserweight would be 188-200, if we're going for Exact Technical Specificity.

176-200 is just Too Much Gap.

[daz74]

Jake Paul #219 in Cruiser rankings, wonder who he’ll fight next ?

They Really Do Need to just Go ahead and make a "Junior Cruiserweight division".

176-187 Would be technically idealistic enough, and the Most Straightforward approach.

Or just 175.5-187.5, and then regular Cruiserweight would be 188-200, if we're going for Exact Technical Specificity.

176-200 is just Too Much Gap.

I’m old school, take it back to 8 divisions ….

[AngryGoon38]

Jake Paul #219 in Cruiser rankings, wonder who he’ll fight next ?

They Really Do Need to just Go ahead and make a "Junior Cruiserweight division".

176-187 Would be technically idealistic enough, and the Most Straightforward approach.

Or just 175.5-187.5, and then regular Cruiserweight would be 188-200, if we're going for Exact Technical Specificity.

176-200 is just Too Much Gap.

I’m old school, take it back to 8 divisions ….

Fly
Batman
Feather
Light
Welter
Middle
Light heavy weight
Heavyweight

So, you think that even just a slightly blown up "light heavy-weight" can take on a modern 240-260 lb Heavyweight..?
I know about Michael Spinks defeating Larry Holmes in 1985, and Roy Jones Jr defeating John Ruiz in 2003.
Spinks weighed 197, and Jones Jr weighed 193. Obviously these were still the days where you basically Only needed to weigh 190.5 to be regarded as A HW, and also were still considered to be a Legit enough sized heavyweight, with there being Very few "Size Monsters(250+ lb'ers)". And obviously, Jones Jr would've Never taken on Riddick Bowe or Lennox Lewis. Probably not even Holyfield or Mercer. Ruiz was obviously an especially Safe Opponent. And for Mike Spinks's behalf, Holmes was only around 215 lbs, and starting to decline at that point.