George Foreman in 1991 (vs. Holyfield)

[evndrbsn]

People vastly overrate the 70's Foreman. He was first and foremost a slugger and one dimensional. Yeah he was good at cutting off the ring, but if a guy was low and moved forward they were taylor made for Foreman.

People also vastly underrate Holyfield. Holyfield had the whole offensive arsenal, he can fight/box can do anything offensively. I'm sure the Holyfield camp would study Foreman (As they did when he was older), and do what they could to win. For a natural Cruiserweight, he sure did alot in the heavyweight division.

A Holyfield win is never out of the question.

Finally, a voice of reason!

[evndrbsn]

Seems like people have been watching too much Ali-Foreman.


That is one og George's WORST fights. He keeps up the same pace vs Peralta and is still throwing heavy leather in the 9th-10th rounds. In Zaire Foreman, whether due to the heat, ropes, Ali, drugging . . .whatever, George looked a lot more lethargic and gassed than he ever did. Watch Foreman vs Frazier II, Norton, Chuvalo, both Peralta fights. The guy who uses the jab as a major weapon in his arsenal. That fighter is too much for the Real Deal.

BTW Evander's 200 lb weight shows that he naturally was never more than a small HW. Heavyweight fighters gain weight with age, while Evander has LOST weight. He needed the shakes and weights to get over 200. On his own he's in the 180s-190s, without coming down from a heigher weight (like Dempsey and Marciano did) Evander size wise is more like an Ezzard Charles.

Nope, that was a mistake on Fightnews. Holyfield weighed in at 220 lbs. It should be pretty embarrassing for Fightnews since they were stressing that Holyfield weighed in at the cruiserweight limit. Oops, someone wasn't paying attention when weights were called out.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

holy said in his book he weighed naturally 195lb when he wasnt in training and had to bulk up to get over 200lb

[evndrbsn]

holy said in his book he weighed naturally 195lb when he wasnt in training and had to bulk up to get over 200lb

Maybe early in his heavyweight career, but he was a full heavyweight by the time he rematched Alex Stewart and Riddick Bowe in 1993.

[Cojimar 1945]

A lot of guys apparently put on weight when they are not fighting. Ali apparently got to over 240 pounds when he was not fighting. Dempsey got up to 227 lb and I believe Louis also put on considerable weight.

[walshb]

I think both guys at their peaks and Foreman's was the 70's no mater what way you look at it were fantastic. Foreman of arly 70's was by far a tougher prospect for a peak Holyfield than the 90's version. Anyone saying otherwise is wrong.The guy was 20 years younger for chrissake. His stamina was very underrated in the 70's and like a previous poster said, he threw solid bombs for 8 rds V Ali in real hot times.Very few fighters could do what he did. Against Frazier his accuracy was amazing, against a tough Norton he was superb. Evander is too hittable a fighter for George. Cuties beat Foreman, you slug it out with him and you lose!!!.

Holy's chin was very very good, but he doesn't take Foreman's shots for long. Cooper and Bowe practically KO'd him, OK he recovered, but barely. Foreman is going to be throwing heavier shots than those guys.

If George aged 42 could put up such a brave display, and I saw a lot of flaws based on his age, lack of speed and he looked sluggish. When I saw him V Frazier and Norton he was 100% better in every department. That spells trouble for Holy. George's footwork was better, he cut the ring off better, he was faster, fitter, stronger and a snappier more powerful puncher. Holy is not slick or defensive enough or powerful enough to keep Foreman at bay for LONG enough!!!

[evndrbsn]

I think both guys at their peaks and Foreman's was the 70's no mater what way you look at it were fantastic. Foreman of arly 70's was by far a tougher prospect for a peak Holyfield than the 90's version. Anyone saying otherwise is wrong.The guy was 20 years younger for chrissake. His stamina was very underrated in the 70's and like a previous poster said, he threw solid bombs for 8 rds V Ali in real hot times.Very few fighters could do what he did. Against Frazier his accuracy was amazing, against a tough Norton he was superb. Evander is too hittable a fighter for George. Cuties beat Foreman, you slug it out with him and you lose!!!.

Holy's chin was very very good, but he doesn't take Foreman's shots for long. Cooper and Bowe practically KO'd him, OK he recovered, but barely. Foreman is going to be throwing heavier shots than those guys.

If George aged 42 could put up such a brave display, and I saw a lot of flaws based on his age, lack of speed and he looked sluggish. When I saw him V Frazier and Norton he was 100% better in every department. That spells trouble for Holy. George's footwork was better, he cut the ring off better, he was faster, fitter, stronger and a snappier more powerful puncher. Holy is not slick or defensive enough or powerful enough to keep Foreman at bay for LONG enough!!!

Okay, Cooper did not practically KO him. Cooper got the living hell beat out of him for seven rounds, even the round that he knocked Holyfield into the ropes. Who here freakin followed Cooper's career? The guy was trained by Smokin' Joe Frazier early on and emulated his style perfectly. Where do you think he got his nickname? He had a terrific left hook and an excellent right hand. His problem was that he had a horrible chin. At his best, he had pretty fast hands and a huge punch. He was a top cruiserweight and heavyweight contender in his heyday and landed some good shots on Riddick Bowe and George Foreman before getting KO'd early. He had memorable fights with Holyfield and Moorer before fizzing out into a journeyman status. Cooper was not a really good fighter, but he had the punch to KO any man if it landed right. And guess what? He was fighting for the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD and wanted so badly to win it. But he couldn't, because Holyfield beat the piss out of him.

Riddick Bowe had a huge punch himself, a highly skilled big heavyweight with one of the finest jabs at 200 plus in the last 20 years. In fact, I'd say only Holmes had a better jab than him and possibly Lennox Lewis, although that is arguable since I think Bowe had a heavier jab. Bowe was a wasted talent, but a huge talent nonetheless. Bowe at his best was not able to KO Holyfield in 1992 and only scored a knockdown with a blatant rabbit punch in the 11th, which Holyfield rose from and finished the fight.

[Cojimar 1945]

Bowe coulden't stop Holyfield in their first fight but he was able to do this in their third fight.

[generic screen name]

Holyfield was suffering from Hepatitis in the third fight.