(((Yo Yo Yo Entering the Echo Chamber Chamber Chamber)))gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 13:31
It's funny that his opinion on the fight seems to come from reading about it in books whereas my and probably everyone else's opinion comes from having watched the damn fight. In my case repeatedly.
Plus if anything Round 5 ends with Ali hurting Foreman. He tags Foreman repeatedly with solid right hands at the end of that round.
That's a moment of the fight where Foreman seems completely inept in my opinion because Ali just kinda keeps hitting him with the same combination over and over, and Foreman keeps leaving himself open to it.
- Yeah, I'm still here and highlighting what you missed that begs the question of what else you missed in the fight?
As to moi, Ali and I go back where at Age 15 when I borrowed my mom's Buick Skywagon to drive to the New Astrodome Complex where Cleve Williams and Ali would held sparring sessions a week before their fight. Oddly the gut shot Cleve pronounced dead on the emergency table at Ben Taub was somehow ressurected with half his guts removed to look more muscly than Ali while Ali clowned his way through the public session. We know some consider this his most perfect victory, but moving on...
Borrowed the Skywagon again with two buddies in tow to see Terrell workout and then Ali. Got caught out in a fake Brawl that moved all of us including their trainers that resulted in the false claim that Ali was offended for best friend Terrell not calling him Ali. It was all orchestrated as I further witnessed in advance, though after getting beat up early, Ali came back to shut out Terrell shouting "What's my Name?" Made good press.
I witnessed all of Ali's ABC fights with Cosell calling like the Mildenberger fight in Germany were Cosell near choked on his toupee when Lefty Mildy whacked a left body shot that put Ali in retreat. In one of the Quarry fights, I think the first, he told Quarry he had him for a few seconds with a body shot but faked him out. Clearly what Foreman did had him out on his feet as he testified.
When Joe Frazier came to town to fight Dave Zyglewicz, I went to a seedy gym in downtown Houston where I worried about my new Corvair. I was the only spectator there, and Joe started when he saw me. Joe worked impressively hard, but compared to the stick and move Adonis of Ali we all watched on ABC, Joe was just a lump. I had more muscles than Joe as did the stocky Ziggy who I also watched at the same gym a weekend later, but we all know what happened to muscles when they fought. Joe was relegated to the Coliseum nor were his fights on ABC as I recall though I was in college after 69.
Thus I was primed to think the Lump couldn't whoop Adonis and bought into the Ali claims he was robbed by the Man, so imagine the shock many years later when the fight became available to the public and Joe whooped Ali a new one?
Yeah, and the same deal to a lesser extent with Norton, but most especially vs Shavers.
Post George, Ali KO % drops from 64% to 36%. Vander the supposed best trained heavy in history hanging on to George in the Championship rounds like a wet suit, his undefeated heavy record goes from 100% KO to 25% KO with an 18-10-2 record.
In the glory days of YouTube where I watched and scored near ever fight worth watching, near 300 until my eyes blew out, whereupon I'd do an hour or more workout with weights, heavy bag, and then a 3 mile run through my park with no breaks, I lived and breathed boxing in a way few have. Google pulled the plug on those outlaws, and that was that, so get back to me with more than you currently got other than the usual echo chamber buddies.
Wilt! Wilt! Wilt!
