Zhan Kossobutskiy vs. Hussein Muhamed - November 5, 2022

[margaret thatcher]

an absolute sh!t ton of ppl in the ring now, seems like these guys are the big draw, maybe an 'influencer' match, although mo is a real fighter

[margaret thatcher]

6'7 french/russian olympian mourad alliev looked decent on the undercard, good movement and sharp hands

[margaret thatcher]

cant seem to find laurdet's fight

[SportsRatings]

cant seem to find laurdet's fight

It's not listed on the YouTube page, was it cancelled?

[Perkin Warbeck]

Muhamed isn’t much of a boxer but he kept getting up, and gave Zhan a bit hard time.

Zhan is two levels up from Muhamed, but he has flaws; i think Demirezen would finish Khan. Or all boxers up in first 20.

No, Zhan has some very good boxing skills and power. I think he'd beat some of the top 20 heavyweights, but they will avoid him for sure. I think he would beat the sturdy but slow and very basic Demirezen. Warren is his co-promoter, he should let Zhan have a shot at Dubois.

[gregregegg]

Zhan is classic third tier. Not a champ. Not a true contender. But pretty good.

The biggest shame in boxing is these third tier guys don’t fight each other to have a crack at becoming a contender.

Zhan vs Kuzman, demi, zhang, gassiev, efe, Martin, takem, kabayal, Otto, brezeal… all fun fights. Probably 10 more fun ones too, but it’s just sooo rare to get 25th vs 30th type fights in heavyweight boxing.

[SportsRatings]

6'7 french/russian olympian mourad alliev looked decent on the undercard, good movement and sharp hands

Not hard to look good against Saglam these days. I'd say he looked....patient, more than anything else given Saglam's tactics

[SportsRatings]

Zhan is classic third tier. Not a champ. Not a true contender. But pretty good.

The biggest shame in boxing is these third tier guys don’t fight each other to have a crack at becoming a contender.

Zhan vs Kuzman, demi, zhang, gassiev, efe, Martin, takem, kabayal, Otto, brezeal… all fun fights. Probably 10 more fun ones too, but it’s just sooo rare to get 25th vs 30th type fights in heavyweight boxing.

I'd put him 2nd tier. Zhan is slippery and evasive, I'm impressed with his defense, closest thing to Mayweather technique you will see at HW. And if you list all those guys as 3rd tier who do you put in the 2nd tier?

[gregregegg]

Zhan is classic third tier. Not a champ. Not a true contender. But pretty good.

The biggest shame in boxing is these third tier guys don’t fight each other to have a crack at becoming a contender.

Zhan vs Kuzman, demi, zhang, gassiev, efe, Martin, takem, kabayal, Otto, brezeal… all fun fights. Probably 10 more fun ones too, but it’s just sooo rare to get 25th vs 30th type fights in heavyweight boxing.

I'd put him 2nd tier. Zhan is slippery and evasive, I'm impressed with his defense, closest thing to Mayweather technique you will see at HW. And if you list all those guys as 3rd tier who do you put in the 2nd tier?

Id have top teir those world champs or there abouts... Usyk, AJ (mabey), wilder (mabey), Fury, Joyce..
2nd tier parker, whyte, ruiz, chisora, sanchez (mabey), ortiz (mabey), pulev (mabey), DDD, hrgovic (mabey), Bakolie...

I mean its completly subjective and arbitrary where you draw the line... but yea thats how i see it.

[cannonball]

ok, so i watched the card on youtube...........

1st thing that struck me was how in the name of all that is holy does Saglam have 46 wins ? Not the first time i have seen him but talk about a padded record. The euro version of Don Steele (remember him?)

Zhan and Muhamad need to stick to fighting euro bums as both are crap and get smashed by pretty much anyone in the top 25. That said, Zhan could possibly get a shot at Dubois.......... I doubt Muhamad would beat Babic based on last nites showing.

The less said about the fight between the kickboxer and the kebab stall owner the better

[SportsRatings]

Zhan is classic third tier. Not a champ. Not a true contender. But pretty good.

The biggest shame in boxing is these third tier guys don’t fight each other to have a crack at becoming a contender.

Zhan vs Kuzman, demi, zhang, gassiev, efe, Martin, takem, kabayal, Otto, brezeal… all fun fights. Probably 10 more fun ones too, but it’s just sooo rare to get 25th vs 30th type fights in heavyweight boxing.

I'd put him 2nd tier. Zhan is slippery and evasive, I'm impressed with his defense, closest thing to Mayweather technique you will see at HW. And if you list all those guys as 3rd tier who do you put in the 2nd tier?

Id have top teir those world champs or there abouts... Usyk, AJ (mabey), wilder (mabey), Fury, Joyce..
2nd tier parker, whyte, ruiz, chisora, sanchez (mabey), ortiz (mabey), pulev (mabey), DDD, hrgovic (mabey), Bakolie...

I mean its completly subjective and arbitrary where you draw the line... but yea thats how i see it.

I guess I was curious as to how many there are per "tier". If there are only 5 in tier 1 and 10 in tier 2, being 3rd tier isn't so bad

[jorjstick]

Ohh, that's a really laaaaaaaaaarge number of viewers. How to get to this?

[margaret thatcher]

ya the card had huge viewers on youtube, like hundreds of thousands, the most ive seen for a fight

[adislav123]

ya the card had huge viewers on youtube, like hundreds of thousands, the most ive seen for a fight

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[margaret thatcher]

ah that makes sense, though not sure that getting pounded like that helps the hardman image