Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[tonyevs]

A bit like the stadium being half full?

I referring to opponents not ticket sales.

As I said before - when Mayweather v McGregor is the highest grossing boxing event .. it tells you that today it more about celebrity than anything else. Fury is very much a celebrity now and acts accordingly.

Tone, after winning every belt, except the Central Area, and being the most active of the big boys, including a mandatory, what would it take for you to regard Fury as a boxer?

Fury, just like Mayweather, are without doubt a boxers ... but they selling their recent fights more on celebrity appeal than boxing appeal.

[mickey1975]

I referring to opponents not ticket sales.

As I said before - when Mayweather v McGregor is the highest grossing boxing event .. it tells you that today it more about celebrity than anything else. Fury is very much a celebrity now and acts accordingly.

Tone, after winning every belt, except the Central Area, and being the most active of the big boys, including a mandatory, what would it take for you to regard Fury as a boxer?

Fury, just like Mayweather, are without doubt a boxers ... but they selling their recent fights more on celebrity appeal than boxing appeal.

Del, you can have. Whyte and Wilder, no.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Ruthless-RKO]

[coneye]

Mmmm , so he went into a hard 50-50 fight with Chisora , with an injury needing surgery ,, or did he get injured and need surgery in a fight with a totally outclassed boxer he's beat twice before .

Regardless now he wants Usky in feb or march , but he's having surgery before , or is surgery going to be an excuse not to go in feb march , in which case Usyk will have to take his mandatory , so Fury will then recover and take on the big slow Jugernaut who's best win was Parker in April May ,he proves to the world Joyce was too slow for him from the get go then he cites Usky is a a middleweight shithouse , who dodged him so he can't see a reason to give him a payday , he wants the big stiff bodybuilder instead ,, but Aj will have just fought and be on a break , so we end up with Whyte , or Wilder if Wilder will come here .

Yawn Yawn and Yawn ,,, all scripted , planned and bollocks ... Be very very suprised if his big 2023 includes Usyk or AJ ,, facts are Tyson has had trouble with smaller guys before and thats a fact , Tyson has been dropped and hurt by smaller guys before and thats a fact , Usyk will be the best smaller guy he has faced and the quickest and thats a fact ,, you can't lean on something thats not there , , punching down can always leave you exxposed for a counter , ask many of Mike Tysons opponents , and Fury knows it , .
Nope there pushing for a home fight with the big slow ponderous Juggernaut , who's taylor made for Fury , ,,, Aj well will admit there has bad has each other but give it a couple of wins against Fury type opponents and i think you will find AJ will want to be back on the mantle peice and its a win against Fury will do that ,, gaurantee by the end of the year AJ will be pushing hard for the fury fight . which will still be mouth watering , because there suited to each other .

Fury will not lean and push AJ around , Fury has the speed and mobility on AJ , but Aj is quite a reasonable boxer and can hurt Fury no end , and thats why you will not see Fury in with AJ or Usyk , , he is a student of the game and knows he may not win either of them

[big lennox]

Mmmm , so he went into a hard 50-50 fight with Chisora , with an injury needing surgery ,, or did he get injured and need surgery in a fight with a totally outclassed boxer he's beat twice before .

Regardless now he wants Usky in feb or march , but he's having surgery before , or is surgery going to be an excuse not to go in feb march , in which case Usyk will have to take his mandatory , so Fury will then recover and take on the big slow Jugernaut who's best win was Parker in April May ,he proves to the world Joyce was too slow for him from the get go then he cites Usky is a a middleweight shithouse , who dodged him so he can't see a reason to give him a payday , he wants the big stiff bodybuilder instead ,, but Aj will have just fought and be on a break , so we end up with Whyte , or Wilder if Wilder will come here .

Yawn Yawn and Yawn ,,, all scripted , planned and bollocks ... Be very very suprised if his big 2023 includes Usyk or AJ ,, facts are Tyson has had trouble with smaller guys before and thats a fact , Tyson has been dropped and hurt by smaller guys before and thats a fact , Usyk will be the best smaller guy he has faced and the quickest and thats a fact ,, you can't lean on something thats not there , , punching down can always leave you exxposed for a counter , ask many of Mike Tysons opponents , and Fury knows it , .
Nope there pushing for a home fight with the big slow ponderous Juggernaut , who's taylor made for Fury , ,,, Aj well will admit there has bad has each other but give it a couple of wins against Fury type opponents and i think you will find AJ will want to be back on the mantle peice and its a win against Fury will do that ,, gaurantee by the end of the year AJ will be pushing hard for the fury fight . which will still be mouth watering , because there suited to each other .

Fury will not lean and push AJ around , Fury has the speed and mobility on AJ , but Aj is quite a reasonable boxer and can hurt Fury no end , and thats why you will not see Fury in with AJ or Usyk , , he is a student of the game and knows he may not win either of them

Totally agree. He used Joshua's name to keep his own name current before taking a guaranteed victory instead, says a lot about his actual belief in himself. I 100% think he doesn't fancy Uysk and I dont think he is totally certain that he would beat Joshua.

He is trying Donald Trump tactics of trying to belittle his opponents with silly names to convince people that he is the best. Replace ' Crooked Hilary' with ' The Middleweight' or ' Sleepy Joe Biden' with ' The Bodybuilder'. The same playbook. All veneer.

[mickey1975]

I don’t think AJ would be much harder than Del and Whyte….
Whatever happens, some of us on here are going to be completely wrong.

[margaret thatcher]

if there were ever a fighter made for fury, its del. aj is totally different dimensions and beast athletically (to whyte as well). fury would beat him but it would hardly by the one hand behind his back cakewalk

furys had many fights tougher than del was, across all levels

[The Gratest]

Mmmm , so he went into a hard 50-50 fight with Chisora , with an injury needing surgery ,, or did he get injured and need surgery in a fight with a totally outclassed boxer he's beat twice before .

Regardless now he wants Usky in feb or march , but he's having surgery before , or is surgery going to be an excuse not to go in feb march , in which case Usyk will have to take his mandatory , so Fury will then recover and take on the big slow Jugernaut who's best win was Parker in April May ,he proves to the world Joyce was too slow for him from the get go then he cites Usky is a a middleweight shithouse , who dodged him so he can't see a reason to give him a payday , he wants the big stiff bodybuilder instead ,, but Aj will have just fought and be on a break , so we end up with Whyte , or Wilder if Wilder will come here .

Yawn Yawn and Yawn ,,, all scripted , planned and bollocks ... Be very very suprised if his big 2023 includes Usyk or AJ ,, facts are Tyson has had trouble with smaller guys before and thats a fact , Tyson has been dropped and hurt by smaller guys before and thats a fact , Usyk will be the best smaller guy he has faced and the quickest and thats a fact ,, you can't lean on something thats not there , , punching down can always leave you exxposed for a counter , ask many of Mike Tysons opponents , and Fury knows it , .
Nope there pushing for a home fight with the big slow ponderous Juggernaut , who's taylor made for Fury , ,,, Aj well will admit there has bad has each other but give it a couple of wins against Fury type opponents and i think you will find AJ will want to be back on the mantle peice and its a win against Fury will do that ,, gaurantee by the end of the year AJ will be pushing hard for the fury fight . which will still be mouth watering , because there suited to each other .

Fury will not lean and push AJ around , Fury has the speed and mobility on AJ , but Aj is quite a reasonable boxer and can hurt Fury no end , and thats why you will not see Fury in with AJ or Usyk , , he is a student of the game and knows he may not win either of them

That's exactly how I see it as well. They currently appear to be building up Joyce (the whole 'no-one's ever called him out before, so i'll call him out!' shyte) whilst still trying to downplay Usyk the 'middleweight'.
Joyce was sat next to Usyk so he could interrupt the 'confrontation' between Fury and Usyk and allow Fury to direct his (and the crowd's) attention away from Usyk and on to Joyce. I just see Fury using his superior hand speed to throw 1-2's off Joyce's stationary granite head before falling into clinches and tying him up for a points win. He's stated previously that his hardest fight was against Cunningham due to his boxing skills, hand speed and slickness. Usyk's a superior boxer to Cunningham.
How he knew immediately after the fight that he'd need surgery to his elbow is a bit of a mystery, and it'll probably end up playing out exactly how you put it.

[coneye]

Mmmm , so he went into a hard 50-50 fight with Chisora , with an injury needing surgery ,, or did he get injured and need surgery in a fight with a totally outclassed boxer he's beat twice before .

Regardless now he wants Usky in feb or march , but he's having surgery before , or is surgery going to be an excuse not to go in feb march , in which case Usyk will have to take his mandatory , so Fury will then recover and take on the big slow Jugernaut who's best win was Parker in April May ,he proves to the world Joyce was too slow for him from the get go then he cites Usky is a a middleweight shithouse , who dodged him so he can't see a reason to give him a payday , he wants the big stiff bodybuilder instead ,, but Aj will have just fought and be on a break , so we end up with Whyte , or Wilder if Wilder will come here .

Yawn Yawn and Yawn ,,, all scripted , planned and bollocks ... Be very very suprised if his big 2023 includes Usyk or AJ ,, facts are Tyson has had trouble with smaller guys before and thats a fact , Tyson has been dropped and hurt by smaller guys before and thats a fact , Usyk will be the best smaller guy he has faced and the quickest and thats a fact ,, you can't lean on something thats not there , , punching down can always leave you exxposed for a counter , ask many of Mike Tysons opponents , and Fury knows it , .
Nope there pushing for a home fight with the big slow ponderous Juggernaut , who's taylor made for Fury , ,,, Aj well will admit there has bad has each other but give it a couple of wins against Fury type opponents and i think you will find AJ will want to be back on the mantle peice and its a win against Fury will do that ,, gaurantee by the end of the year AJ will be pushing hard for the fury fight . which will still be mouth watering , because there suited to each other .

Fury will not lean and push AJ around , Fury has the speed and mobility on AJ , but Aj is quite a reasonable boxer and can hurt Fury no end , and thats why you will not see Fury in with AJ or Usyk , , he is a student of the game and knows he may not win either of them

That's exactly how I see it as well. They currently appear to be building up Joyce (the whole 'no-one's ever called him out before, so i'll call him out!' shyte) whilst still trying to downplay Usyk the 'middleweight'.
Joyce was sat next to Usyk so he could interrupt the 'confrontation' between Fury and Usyk and allow Fury to direct his (and the crowd's) attention away from Usyk and on to Joyce. I just see Fury using his superior hand speed to throw 1-2's off Joyce's stationary granite head before falling into clinches and tying him up for a points win. He's stated previously that his hardest fight was against Cunningham due to his boxing skills, hand speed and slickness. Usyk's a superior boxer to Cunningham.
How he knew immediately after the fight that he'd need surgery to his elbow is a bit of a mystery, and it'll probably end up playing out exactly how you put it.

Excatly , and its this shite of treating the public like the idiots most are thats becoming annoying ,, before the Chisora mismatch , he constantly claimed what a hard fight Chisora will give him , how good and how ballsy Chisora was , , ect ect ,, YET he was prepared to go in with an injury so bad it needs surgery ,, Bollocks what a load of rubbish he would pull out if he had a cold , has his father keeps saying they are profesional to a T .

oR IF HE DID HAVE AN INJURY HE WAS CONNING THE PUBLIC , because he was fighting a guy he knew he could beat with litery one hand ,,, i did'nt watch the rubbish so i don't know but did anyone notice Fury fighting with one arm , after all if it requires surgery its not a niggle is it .

Surgery my arse , its all about promoting and building up the super slow jugernaught , who barely beat Dubio who got dropped 3 times by a journeman and avoiding Usyk ,, just remember who promotes Joyce , and Fury ,,, who gave Jocye a ticket to sit where he can jump up and join the convo , who will make a lot out of Joyce -Fury regardless who wins , who has been a master of bluff and bollocks for 40 years .

Fury the passatt driving , wild pig hunting , caravan living man of the people what a load of shite ,,, its the WWF now with Fwank playing Vince mcmahon , and Fury playing Stone cold Steve Austin ,, 2023 will end with one fight probably at Wembley Fury -- Jocye ,,, with main support being Dubio and a journeman Tommy Fury - the U tuber , and speciel guest , John Fury against soon TBA

[Teddy's Toupee]

Mmmm , so he went into a hard 50-50 fight with Chisora , with an injury needing surgery ,, or did he get injured and need surgery in a fight with a totally outclassed boxer he's beat twice before .

Regardless now he wants Usky in feb or march , but he's having surgery before , or is surgery going to be an excuse not to go in feb march , in which case Usyk will have to take his mandatory , so Fury will then recover and take on the big slow Jugernaut who's best win was Parker in April May ,he proves to the world Joyce was too slow for him from the get go then he cites Usky is a a middleweight shithouse , who dodged him so he can't see a reason to give him a payday , he wants the big stiff bodybuilder instead ,, but Aj will have just fought and be on a break , so we end up with Whyte , or Wilder if Wilder will come here .

Yawn Yawn and Yawn ,,, all scripted , planned and bollocks ... Be very very suprised if his big 2023 includes Usyk or AJ ,, facts are Tyson has had trouble with smaller guys before and thats a fact , Tyson has been dropped and hurt by smaller guys before and thats a fact , Usyk will be the best smaller guy he has faced and the quickest and thats a fact ,, you can't lean on something thats not there , , punching down can always leave you exxposed for a counter , ask many of Mike Tysons opponents , and Fury knows it , .
Nope there pushing for a home fight with the big slow ponderous Juggernaut , who's taylor made for Fury , ,,, Aj well will admit there has bad has each other but give it a couple of wins against Fury type opponents and i think you will find AJ will want to be back on the mantle peice and its a win against Fury will do that ,, gaurantee by the end of the year AJ will be pushing hard for the fury fight . which will still be mouth watering , because there suited to each other .

Fury will not lean and push AJ around , Fury has the speed and mobility on AJ , but Aj is quite a reasonable boxer and can hurt Fury no end , and thats why you will not see Fury in with AJ or Usyk , , he is a student of the game and knows he may not win either of them

That's exactly how I see it as well. They currently appear to be building up Joyce (the whole 'no-one's ever called him out before, so i'll call him out!' shyte) whilst still trying to downplay Usyk the 'middleweight'.
Joyce was sat next to Usyk so he could interrupt the 'confrontation' between Fury and Usyk and allow Fury to direct his (and the crowd's) attention away from Usyk and on to Joyce. I just see Fury using his superior hand speed to throw 1-2's off Joyce's stationary granite head before falling into clinches and tying him up for a points win. He's stated previously that his hardest fight was against Cunningham due to his boxing skills, hand speed and slickness. Usyk's a superior boxer to Cunningham.
How he knew immediately after the fight that he'd need surgery to his elbow is a bit of a mystery, and it'll probably end up playing out exactly how you put it.

Surgery ? More like a "cycling" holiday along with a wild boar diet.

[coneye]

Thing is Fury without a doubt will go down if not the greatest , but definetly the most well known amongst British Boxers of all time , probably the richest has well ,, Unless he actually fights and beats , Usyk , and AJ , throw in a couple more such has Ruiz and Joyce , He will forever go down in history has the most discussed british boxer EVER .

However discussed is the key word ,,

in the blue corner you have the English looking for a sporting hero , along with all those who are, or want to be travellers , and made him there hero , along with a few Irish who claim him has one of there own. all claiming he was the greatest ever .

In the red corner , you have the rest of the world , who will claim he was a drug cheat who retired or had surgery rather than face anyone good in there prime .

Then theres ME ,, and being the proverbial fence sitter , i'm just waiting to see if he fights and beats Usyk and AJ ,, maybee throw in Ruiz , because i've always said a fit motivated Ruiz , not the fat unmotivated one but a motivated one , would beat Fury maybee stop him .

But if he beats AJ and Usyk , i'm gonna jump off the fence and become a POM again

But either way one thing i'm glad off and happy for him is the amount of money he's made , not many in boxing do it so its good to see someone /anyone do it .

Oh and i will add , when we talk about these guys , people have to relize its not personal its sporting heroes , no different to saying you don't like Ronaldo you prefer Rooney or you don't like Pacino and his method acting you prefer DeNero . because i personaly think Fury would be a great neighbor ,

Just think , your lifting a gearbox up just give the giant next door a hoy : mans got a sence of humor has well , well unless your a Geordie doing podcasts that is ,

[mickey1975]

So what’s the narrative now? Joyce is no good, either? He was, for some reason, another killer Tyson was petrified of five minutes ago.

[HomicideHenry]

I think too many people have bought into the Ukrainians abilities because of the Joshua fights, because quite frankly nobody wanted to really concede or admit just how many glaring faults and issues and flaws Anthony Joshua had.

There is a big difference between Joshua and Fury in terms of size, skills, ring IQ, adaptability, and overall determination to win. You would literally have to kill Tyson Fury to make him stop, and I don't believe Anthony Joshua ever had that quality.

That being said the Ukrainian is a proper throwback fighter with superb conditioning and great skills and belongs in the same stratosphere as people like Tommy Loughran. So he will be the best opponent that Tyson Fury has faced since Vladimir Klitschko, and certainly the best opponent Tyson Fury will ever face on paper.

It won't be an easy task but I don't think it is as problematic as people insist on it being. If you were to put the men's abilities on a scale system from 0 to 10 it would probably be along these lines:

Ring IQ- Both are 9/10 or 10/10
Hand Speed- Fury 7/10 Usyk 9/10
Foot Speed- Fury 6/10 Usyk 10/10
Power- Fury 8/10 Usyk 5/10
Conditioning- Both are 9/10 or 10/10*
Generalship- Fury 8/10 Usyk 8/10
Toughness- Fury 9/10 Usyk 7/10**

*Don't let looks fool you, Fury can box or brawl for the whole 12 rounds if need be just like Usyk can. I suspect for Usyk that Fury would come into far better shape than he was for Chisora and better than he was for the third Wilder fight.

**Usyk is a question mark as he's seldom been hit cleanly or that often, but he did survive a barrage of body blows from Anthony Joshua in their rematch in the 9th or 10th round; but whether the Ukrainian can take a lot of shots over the course of many rounds is yet to be seen.

Factor in the fact that Fury is much taller and heavier than Anthony Joshua, those areas where Fury is behind on Usyk in this hypothetical rating of strengths would either be made even or surpass Usyk.

[The Gratest]

So what’s the narrative now? Joyce is no good, either? He was, for some reason, another killer Tyson was petrified of five minutes ago.

No, that's not the narrative at all.

[DrDuke]

Usyk may be more polished as a boxer than Fury, but he can't fight and he doesn't want to do it. Of course, when some Chisora or another Joshua will try to rough it up, Usyk will eventually prevail. Yet the Ukrainian has never faced a fighter, who is such versatile and good at everything he does. If it's a boxing match and Usyk starts to take advantage it, then a boxing match will end soon and there will be a mauling fight, where Fury will prevail.

[HomicideHenry]

So what’s the narrative now? Joyce is no good, either? He was, for some reason, another killer Tyson was petrified of five minutes ago.

No, that's not the narrative at all.

Sounds like it.

It wasn't that long ago on the forum that people were talking of Joe Joyce as being the guy to be a greater threat to Fury than Dillian Whyte, etc. Mind you, I think Fury defeats Joyce because he's not necessarily proven (to me at least) he's a genuine world beater, but opinions on BoxRec change like I do my socks when it comes to Tyson Fury.

Someone's good or great until Fury beats them. Someone's a pisspoor substitute if Fury doesn't fight Joshua or Usyk. Etc. It's a bizarre thing witnessing it time and again on the forum.

[mickey1975]

So what’s the narrative now? Joyce is no good, either? He was, for some reason, another killer Tyson was petrified of five minutes ago.

No, that's not the narrative at all.

Oh, just thought people must have caught one of the Joyce v Frazer fights and had a reality check.
*I know it was amateurs but JJ was thirty years old at the time.

[margaret thatcher]

lol, fury fans are so sensitive

[mickey1975]

lol, fury fans are so sensitive

Why? I agree that Usyk is the best opponent out there and should be next. Not sure about the time frame.

[The Gratest]

So what’s the narrative now? Joyce is no good, either? He was, for some reason, another killer Tyson was petrified of five minutes ago.

No, that's not the narrative at all.

Oh, just thought people must have caught one of the Joyce v Frazer fights and had a reality check.
*I know it was amateurs but JJ was thirty years old at the time.

Nope, you're heading off on a tangent.

[The Gratest]

So what’s the narrative now? Joyce is no good, either? He was, for some reason, another killer Tyson was petrified of five minutes ago.

No, that's not the narrative at all.

Sounds like it.

It wasn't that long ago on the forum that people were talking of Joe Joyce as being the guy to be a greater threat to Fury than Dillian Whyte, etc. Mind you, I think Fury defeats Joyce because he's not necessarily proven (to me at least) he's a genuine world beater, but opinions on BoxRec change like I do my socks when it comes to Tyson Fury.

Someone's good or great until Fury beats them. Someone's a pisspoor substitute if Fury doesn't fight Joshua or Usyk. Etc. It's a bizarre thing witnessing it time and again on the forum.

Nope, that's not it, but you are terrible at reading comprehension so sticking your own narrative on it isn't a surprise.

[The Gratest]

lol, fury fans are so sensitive

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[dan28uk]

i think before the usyk fights, i would have said aj had a good chance to beat fury but think his confidence is shot to pieces now and would favour fury if they fought he'd have a chance he's a better boxer than chisora and whyte put together but he wouldn't be able to outbox fury so think he'd have to go for it ,'As for fury i think he'd have to make it an ugly dirty fight to beat usyk if he can do that and land he could get him out of there late

[BigDoofus]

Surgery my arse , its all about promoting and building up the super slow jugernaught , who barely beat Dubio who got dropped 3 times by a journeman

The guy who put himself forward to fight Joshua on Dec 17?