Marciano- Chuvalo

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 20 Aug 2006, 16:00

They used to be compared as having similar styles in the 60's. I don't particularly think that was the case. Rocky was a swarmer & George was a brawler. I think George would have a chance. Rocky would always be their to hit, & if anyone was going to get knocked out, it would be Rocky Marciano. Rocky had a better work rate, and was the superior hitter. Rocky had superior stamina, but George was going 15. Was Rocky?

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 20 Aug 2006, 16:04

marciano threw slow telegrahed punches. he had the skill level of a clubfighter. max baer was much better than rocky marciano.

chuvalo KO 1 marciano

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 20 Aug 2006, 16:20

I hope that was another bad joke on Brockton's part....like the time he said Ingemar Johansson would have blown Marciano away in a single round.

Of course...Brocky has been pushing Liston was a #3 HW ATG so...who knows

Chuvalo had an uncanny ability to take punishment. He proved this against the likes of Ali, Frazier and Foreman and others...but he didn't have a great punch [in my mind anyways] nor did he have world class skills, he wasn't fast on his feet or with his hands...in my mind just a human punching bag with some defense and a small amount of offense.

Marciano's body punching, over all conditioning, punching power, crouching/bobbing/weaving style, as well as his deceiving defense, as well as his non-stop punching and of course, his ability to take punishment would have made him an extremely tough opponent for any fighter, whether that be Ali, Frazier, Liston, Lewis, Louis or any HW champion and contender there has ever been.

I hate to put Chuvalo in a bad light, cus he was in the greatest era in HW history, and had some good wins, be he failed against the top movers and top punchers of that time. It would, in my opinion, go 6 or 8 rounds, with Chuvalo taking alot of shots and eventually being stopped on cuts, or by stoppage.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 20 Aug 2006, 16:24

This fight would show if Marciano's power was more formidable than Chuvualo's chin.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 20 Aug 2006, 17:08

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:marciano threw slow telegrahed punches. he had the skill level of a clubfighter. max baer was much better than rocky marciano.

chuvalo KO 1 marciano

Are you drinking the heavy stuff BB49?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 20 Aug 2006, 19:32

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:marciano threw slow telegrahed punches. he had the skill level of a clubfighter. max baer was much better than rocky marciano.

chuvalo KO 1 marciano

I wouldn't have written the clubfighter thing. And Marciano had a better chin and was the better bobber than Baer, so this may compensate for inferior handspeed....

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 20 Aug 2006, 19:44

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:marciano threw slow telegrahed punches. he had the skill level of a clubfighter. max baer was much better than rocky marciano.

chuvalo KO 1 marciano

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 23 Aug 2006, 07:15

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:I hope that was another bad joke on Brockton's part....like the time he said Ingemar Johansson would have blown Marciano away in a single round. Of course...Brocky has been pushing Liston was a #3 HW ATG so...who knows

Chuvalo had an uncanny ability to take punishment. He proved this against the likes of Ali, Frazier and Foreman and others...but he didn't have a great punch [in my mind anyways] nor did he have world class skills, he wasn't fast on his feet or with his hands...in my mind just a human punching bag with some defense and a small amount of offense.

Marciano's body punching, over all conditioning, punching power, crouching/bobbing/weaving style, as well as his deceiving defense, as well as his non-stop punching and of course, his ability to take punishment would have made him an extremely tough opponent for any fighter, whether that be Ali, Frazier, Liston, Lewis, Louis or any HW champion and contender there has ever been.

I hate to put Chuvalo in a bad light, cus he was in the greatest era in HW history, and had some good wins, be he failed against the top movers and top punchers of that time. It would, in my opinion, go 6 or 8 rounds, with Chuvalo taking alot of shots and eventually being stopped on cuts, or by stoppage.

I think Rocky would have overwhelmed George, but I don't see the k.o.
The Rock wasn't as sharp a puncher as Frazier.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 23 Aug 2006, 07:20

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:marciano threw slow telegrahed punches. he had the skill level of a clubfighter. max baer was much better than rocky marciano.

chuvalo KO 1 marciano

Sounds about right. Great analysis Brocky!!

JC · Post by JC » 23 Aug 2006, 07:22

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:marciano threw slow telegrahed punches. he had the skill level of a clubfighter. max baer was much better than rocky marciano.

chuvalo KO 1 marciano

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Axe to grind Brocky?

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 26 Aug 2006, 18:42

bill.lockhart wrote:
IrishRufusMurphy wrote:I hope that was another bad joke on Brockton's part....like the time he said Ingemar Johansson would have blown Marciano away in a single round. Of course...Brocky has been pushing Liston was a #3 HW ATG so...who knows

Chuvalo had an uncanny ability to take punishment. He proved this against the likes of Ali, Frazier and Foreman and others...but he didn't have a great punch [in my mind anyways] nor did he have world class skills, he wasn't fast on his feet or with his hands...in my mind just a human punching bag with some defense and a small amount of offense.

Marciano's body punching, over all conditioning, punching power, crouching/bobbing/weaving style, as well as his deceiving defense, as well as his non-stop punching and of course, his ability to take punishment would have made him an extremely tough opponent for any fighter, whether that be Ali, Frazier, Liston, Lewis, Louis or any HW champion and contender there has ever been.

I hate to put Chuvalo in a bad light, cus he was in the greatest era in HW history, and had some good wins, be he failed against the top movers and top punchers of that time. It would, in my opinion, go 6 or 8 rounds, with Chuvalo taking alot of shots and eventually being stopped on cuts, or by stoppage.

I think Rocky would have overwhelmed George, but I don't see the k.o.
The Rock wasn't as sharp a puncher as Frazier.

rocky had two fisted KO power unlike frazier though. and the 51-52 rocky marciano was a very sharp puncher and he was certainly faster than chuvalo.... check out marciano double left hook KO of harry kid mathews.

marciano was a genuine KO artist. no matter how great u are....he could knock you out. marciano belonds in the most elite group of punchers. rocky knew how to get the knockout.

chuvalo would become a punching bag vs marciano and chuvalo was stopped by frazier and foreman........i expect the same result with marciano.

this would be similiar to the rex layne fight except marciano doesnt put chuvalo down..........marciano stops chuvalo in around 5-6 rounds with the ref stopping the fight to prevent any further punishment.

chuvalo does not matchup well vs marciano. horrible style matchup for george.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 26 Aug 2006, 18:44

Rocky would always be their to hit, & if anyone was going to get knocked out, it would be Rocky Marciano.

marciano was not there to be hit. checkout the walcott fight.......rocky slipped alot of punches and a lot of jabs. angelo dundee always testifies how rocky has extremley underated defense. also rocky had a great chin and excellent recup powers.....only an ATG puncher would be able to put marciano away.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 26 Aug 2006, 19:27

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Rocky would always be their to hit, & if anyone was going to get knocked out, it would be Rocky Marciano.
marciano was not there to be hit. checkout the walcott fight.......rocky slipped alot of punches and a lot of jabs. angelo dundee always testifies how rocky has extremley underated defense. also rocky had a great chin and excellent recup powers.....only an ATG puncher would be able to put marciano away.

Like Dave Jaco?

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 26 Aug 2006, 19:29

evndrbsn wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Rocky would always be their to hit, & if anyone was going to get knocked out, it would be Rocky Marciano.
marciano was not there to be hit. checkout the walcott fight.......rocky slipped alot of punches and a lot of jabs. angelo dundee always testifies how rocky has extremley underated defense. also rocky had a great chin and excellent recup powers.....only an ATG puncher would be able to put marciano away.
Like Dave Jaco?

Jaco TKO 7 razor ruddock

remember that poster who claimed coetzee and ruddock were top 10 heavies??

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 26 Aug 2006, 19:32

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
evndrbsn wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote: marciano was not there to be hit. checkout the walcott fight.......rocky slipped alot of punches and a lot of jabs. angelo dundee always testifies how rocky has extremley underated defense. also rocky had a great chin and excellent recup powers.....only an ATG puncher would be able to put marciano away.
Like Dave Jaco?

Jaco TKO 7 razor ruddock

remember that poster who claimed coetzee and ruddock were top 10 heavies??

RazorKO ... how could I forget. He hated the Europeans.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 26 Aug 2006, 20:44

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:remember that poster who claimed coetzee and ruddock were top 10 heavies??

They were both top 10 ranked heavies when they were in their primes. Coetzee even won a title.

Oh yeah, RazorKO had them as ALL TIME top 10 heavies...

Coetzee KO1 over Marciano
Ruddock KO2 over Marciano -- he wasn't quite as skilled as the great Coetzee

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 26 Aug 2006, 21:15

The Great John L wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:remember that poster who claimed coetzee and ruddock were top 10 heavies??
They were both top 10 ranked heavies when they were in their primes. Coetzee even won a title.

Oh yeah, RazorKO had them as ALL TIME top 10 heavies...

Coetzee KO1 over Marciano
Ruddock KO2 over Marciano -- he wasn't quite as skilled as the great Coetzee

JohnL, oh John L ... you underrate the great Ruddock smash. How could the white, underskilled Coetzee starch Marciano in one, but the brutish, almost Godlike strength of Ruddock allow Marciano into the second stanza? For goodness sakes, he almost beat Tommy Morrison!

Ruddock KO 1 (0:05) Marciano.

Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry ...

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 29 Aug 2006, 10:42

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Rocky would always be their to hit, & if anyone was going to get knocked out, it would be Rocky Marciano.
marciano was not there to be hit. checkout the walcott fight.......rocky slipped alot of punches and a lot of jabs. angelo dundee always testifies how rocky has extremley underated defense. also rocky had a great chin and excellent recup powers.....only an ATG puncher would be able to put marciano away.

Brock
When I say Rocky was their to be hit, I am not criticizing his defence. I am saying, George wouldn't have to look for him. I think Rocky wears down George, like Moore & Cockell, & wins by tko in about 10 rounds.
George would look at the ref & say, " What are ya, nuts..." just like he did against Foreman. Frazier broke the orbital bone around his eye, when they fought. One tough dude ... George.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 29 Aug 2006, 14:06

bill.lockhart wrote:One tough dude ... George.

One of the toughest fighters of all time in my book, no question.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 29 Aug 2006, 18:37

George wouldn't have to look for him. I think Rocky wears down George, like Moore & Cockell, & wins by tko in about 10 rounds.

bill lockhart

marciano was not at his best in 1955. im talking about the deadly machine peak 1951-52 marciano. this one would destroy chuvalo. the one who took out mathews, layne, louis, walcott with 1-2 punches. not the slower older tired less powerful marciano who took out cockell.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 29 Aug 2006, 19:29

chuvalo survives an absolute mauling from about round seven onwards.
rocky throws it all at him with little coming back but george proves he is one tuff mama by making it to the final bell.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 29 Aug 2006, 19:31

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Jeffsboxing · Post by **Jeffsboxing** » 30 Aug 2006, 03:13

this is an interesting post! Marciano vs Rocky! Never came to my mind! I don't mind about the imaginary result, but this is great!

IMO, Chuvalo will outpoint Rocky.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 30 Aug 2006, 13:51

Jeffsboxing wrote:this is an interesting post! Marciano vs Rocky! Never came to my mind! I don't mind about the imaginary result, but this is great!

IMO, Chuvalo will outpoint Rocky.

chuvalo outpoint rocky marciano? care to offer ur reason as to why? did you not see what frazier and foreman did to chuvalo?

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 30 Aug 2006, 14:07

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Jeffsboxing wrote:this is an interesting post! Marciano vs Rocky! Never came to my mind! I don't mind about the imaginary result, but this is great!

IMO, Chuvalo will outpoint Rocky.

chuvalo outpoint rocky marciano? care to offer ur reason as to why? did you not see what frazier and foreman did to chuvalo?

I’m sure he did, but remember how painfully slow and telegraphed Rocky’s punches were?