BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Makhmudov vs. Wallisch

[DrDuke]

nope, you're the only one - takam lost clearly

Why do you need to repeat the same wrong point of yours so many times? I guess everyone got your wrong point already.

just responding to your comment - the 'everyone' must be you, because no one else scored the fight for takam. the fan average of 27 posters on boxrec is 96-92 mak, and no one on eotr had it for takam either. i might as well say forrest arguably lost all his fights that went the distance if we're just tossing bs out there

Your respond to different points with with the same single one.

Forrest won this guy - but he lost to Takam, Forrest won that guy - but he lost to Takam, Forrest won other guy - but he lost to Takam.

Yeah, he was robbed a lot of times, but those were quality performances.

And f8cking cancrusher has literally nothing except f8ckin Takam.

Considering that and Anderson, who is much better on the eye test and destroyed Forrest like no one before, Anderson deserves a nod more.

[margaret thatcher]

no sh!t, because then anderson's best win is over a guy who was clearly worse than dudes chisora and mak beat, guys who schooled jerry. to then say that they don't have a high enough level of win to be ranked but anderson should be in is some type of gymnastics

can crushing mak has already won above little jerry's level

your last point's irrelevant to the argument i was making about level of opposition. i agree anderson looks better and he could be voted in on percieved talent, as others could over mak or chisora too. but certainly not voted in if people are going to play level of wins cards.

[DrDuke]

no sh!t, because then anderson's best win is over a guy who was clearly worse than dudes chisora and mak beat, guys who schooled jerry. to then say that they don't have a high enough level of win to be ranked but anderson should be in is some type of gymnastics

can crushing mak has already won above little jerry's level

your last point's irrelevant to the argument i was making about level of opposition. i agree anderson looks better and he could be voted in on percieved talent, but certainly not voted in if people are going to play level of wins cards.

If the f8ckin cancrusher won all those 'higher than Jerry' level super champions convincingly enough, we would be able to talk about him, but for now he remains a f8ckin cancrusher with an overall resume worse than Jerry's.

[margaret thatcher]

mak's won at a higher level than jerry or anderson ever have. why does he trigger you, you were the only person who scored against him vs takam and then were taking glee in him supposedly being exposed

i agree, he's limited for sure

[DrDuke]

mak's won at a higher level than jerry or anderson ever have

And what? That's only one performance. No one rates Kabayel in top 15 because of the only Chisora win, can you f8ckin understand that finally?

[margaret thatcher]

he was in our top 15 for a while, and that was what, 5 years ago, ffs mak just beat takam this year

[DrDuke]

he was in our top 15 for a while, and that was what, 5 years ago, ffs mak just beat takam this year

Because at the moment while he was briefly in, there was no other guys with the overall better resume, but they appeared quickly. Oops!

[1104294]

Funny list, but I rate Viktor Vykhryst or Raphael Akpejiori higher then Martin Bakole or Kubrat Pulev. Pulev lost against Chisora and Bakole against Michael Hunter.
I also rate Arslanbek Makhmudov far higher then many in this list indeed.

[joshj909]

Funny list, but I rate Viktor Vykhryst or Raphael Akpejiori higher then Martin Bakole or Kubrat Pulev. Pulev lost against Chisora and Bakole against Michael Hunter.
I also rate Arslanbek Makhmudov far higher then many in this list indeed.

You've focused on the losses but not the wins. Bakole and Pulev have beat objectively superior opposition than Vykhryst and Akpejiori. When they started out at 0-0, boxers are ranked as the worst in the world until they win, not the best in the world until they lose.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Who and who?

[adislav123]

seriously? wallusch is ranked where???

how in hell should the twitchinator possibly enter top 15 based on that fight?

[1104294]

Funny list, but I rate Viktor Vykhryst or Raphael Akpejiori higher then Martin Bakole or Kubrat Pulev. Pulev lost against Chisora and Bakole against Michael Hunter.
I also rate Arslanbek Makhmudov far higher then many in this list indeed.

You've focused on the losses but not the wins. Bakole and Pulev have beat objectively superior opposition than Vykhryst and Akpejiori. When they started out at 0-0, boxers are ranked as the worst in the world until they win, not the best in the world until they lose.

Oke, so who did Otto Wallin beat? Who did Frank Sanchez beat? Who did Luis Ortiz beat?

[joshj909]

Funny list, but I rate Viktor Vykhryst or Raphael Akpejiori higher then Martin Bakole or Kubrat Pulev. Pulev lost against Chisora and Bakole against Michael Hunter.
I also rate Arslanbek Makhmudov far higher then many in this list indeed.

You've focused on the losses but not the wins. Bakole and Pulev have beat objectively superior opposition than Vykhryst and Akpejiori. When they started out at 0-0, boxers are ranked as the worst in the world until they win, not the best in the world until they lose.

Oke, so who did Otto Wallin beat? Who did Frank Sanchez beat? Who did Luis Ortiz beat?

Wallin beat Breazeale and Sanchez beat Ajagba, while Ortiz has beaten Martin and has a historic win over Jennings.

Vykhryst's best win is probably Sokolowski or Johnson which are not at the same level as the wins mentioned above. Akpejiori has beaten absolutely nobody worth mentioning. Then Bakole has wins over Yoka and Kuzmin while Pulev has beaten Forrest recently with a number of reasonably good historic wins such as Hughie and Chisora.

I wouldn't rank Wallin or Ortiz as high as they are here but that's where everyone else ranked them.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Looks like Mak will be staying out..

[Ruthless-RKO]

The vote is over.

No Change.

Current ranking:
Tyson Fury - 33(24) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. Joe Joyce - 15(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 3(1) 0 - next fight: 21.01.2023 vs. Jack Massey - 20(11) 1(0) 0 - (unranked at HW)

8. Dillian Whyte - 29(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Frank Sanchez - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 13(4) 0 - next fight: TBA

[joshj909]

TBA

[Ruthless-RKO]

Our year end Ranking.

Overall can’t complain.

[oogiebe]

Our year end Ranking.

Overall can’t complain.

Not bad at all. Thanks so much for doing this!!!

[Ruthless-RKO]

Our year end Ranking.

Overall can’t complain.

Not bad at all. Thanks so much for doing this!!!

No worries.

Just keeping up what Dag started.

[adislav123]

don't know if there ever was a whole heavyweight division (top 30 plus) in a more death like state. coma. paralysis. ?

almost nobody of note is fighting anybody of note if it's anyhow avoidable.

literally everybody waiting that the shit roulette for the big shot might shit out their lucky number.

ofc there are a few exceptions from the rule. a handful in the top fifty is up for a real challenge, something fight fans wanna see. the ones who didn't sell their soul for a few grand up front, got a bit of a standing and at least a minor say in who they'll fight next. a handful.

incompetent handlers with no actual passion for the sport or their fighters, driven by absolutely nothing else but idiotic greed were always the worst disease of professional boxing.

the heavyweight division suffers big time from those parasites.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Looks like Wallin is fighting an 8 rounder in Jan.

Patience is running dry with this one.

[tiny_acres]

Looks like Wallin is fighting an 8 rounder in Jan.

Patience is running dry with this one.

I'm sure if you put up a poll after that fight. Most will vote him down or out

[cpx2]

Looks like Wallin is fighting an 8 rounder in Jan.

Patience is running dry with this one.

I'm sure if you put up a poll after that fight. Most will vote him down or out

Absolutely agree, if it's genuinely another 8 rounder, he's gone until he schedules a fight that's (a) at least a ten rounder and (b) with another live, top 40 opponent. At least in my opinion anyway.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Looks like Wallin is fighting an 8 rounder in Jan.

Patience is running dry with this one.

I'm sure if you put up a poll after that fight. Most will vote him down or out

Absolutely agree, if it's genuinely another 8 rounder, he's gone until he schedules a fight that's (a) at least a ten rounder and (b) with another live, top 40 opponent. At least in my opinion anyway.

Yeh I did say a while back. He’s in thin ice.

Since the Brezeale win. Him and his promoter have just been begging a fights. Not bothered with getting into mandatory position or anything.

Literal begs.

Breazeale win was Feb 20,

Then he never fought til Feb 21, which was against Soko. I get there’s covid but many others stayed busy.

He then fought Booker in June 21.

Has been begging since.

If Hearn says Wallin will fight AJ after his tune up, then fair enough.

But being an 8 rounder? It’s gonna be another Booker.

I haven’t forgot that he did have the Whyte fight set up.

[Ruthless-RKO]

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