WBC creates transgender division beginning in 2023

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WBC always dwells in the deep shiets.
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There are more articles about this, but basically WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman said that they will have an "at birth" rule which means that boxers born of the opposite sex cannot compete against each other for safety reasons. He said that they will not allow a transgender woman born a man to fight a woman who was born a woman. Therefore, a transgender female boxer born a man can only box against another transgender female boxer born a man.
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RScarf1 wrote: 30 Dec 2022, 11:11 There are more articles about this, but basically WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman said that they will have an "at birth" rule which means that boxers born of the opposite sex cannot compete against each other for safety reasons. He said that they will not allow a transgender woman born a man to fight a woman who was born a woman. Therefore, a transgender female boxer born a man can only box against another transgender female boxer born a man.

All of which not only kind of closes the door on one form of cheating but also defeats the intentions of those who might undergo surgery and drugs in some forlorn hope of peace of mind though wider acceptance.

Perhaps some form of therapy might be a better option?

But anyway, if the WBC can make some mileage and money out of it, well that's ok then.
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that divisions gonna be stacked!


i'm all for it! brilliant invention, exactly what boxing needed.

more power to the transformers!
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Thomastearns wrote: 30 Dec 2022, 12:00
RScarf1 wrote: 30 Dec 2022, 11:11 There are more articles about this, but basically WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman said that they will have an "at birth" rule which means that boxers born of the opposite sex cannot compete against each other for safety reasons. He said that they will not allow a transgender woman born a man to fight a woman who was born a woman. Therefore, a transgender female boxer born a man can only box against another transgender female boxer born a man.

All of which not only kind of closes the door on one form of cheating but also defeats the intentions of those who might undergo surgery and drugs in some forlorn hope of peace of mind though wider acceptance.

Perhaps some form of therapy might be a better option?

But anyway, if the WBC can make some mileage and money out of it, well that's ok then.
They should do that for midgets too. I mean there could be good money to be made under the false pretext of equality between all people. Actually a boxing match between midgets would be very funny. MMA too.
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RScarf1 wrote: 30 Dec 2022, 11:11 There are more articles about this, but basically WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman said that they will have an "at birth" rule which means that boxers born of the opposite sex cannot compete against each other for safety reasons. He said that they will not allow a transgender woman born a man to fight a woman who was born a woman. Therefore, a transgender female boxer born a man can only box against another transgender female boxer born a man.
It's really the only approach that makes sense. I don't see it taking off, atleast for decades, but atleast it allows the sport to be both accessible and safe.
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What I do not get is for example When the Man pretending to be a Woman and wound up winning the NCAA Championship for Woman, Why did they allow it? Why not just tell The Man PRETENDING to be a Woman get lost? We will not allow this absurdity to take a place.

There is no such thing as Transgender as you are what you are born as, That is an Ascribed Status something that can NOT be changed. Why even Entertain this Nonsense?

Men should fight men and Women should fight Woman in Boxing, There should NOT be transgender Divisions for people who pretend to be the Sex of what they are not, by allowing this people are allowing nonsense to prevail. This LGBTQ garbage should not be entertained as real.
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apollo creed wrote: 30 Dec 2022, 12:41They should do that for midgets too. I mean there could be good money to be made under the false pretext of equality between all people. Actually a boxing match between midgets would be very funny. MMA too.
Yes, and I have an idea for the weight class. Since there is bridgerweight, it can be called midgerweight. Midgets are about the same weight I would imagine.
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Thomastearns wrote: 30 Dec 2022, 12:00
RScarf1 wrote: 30 Dec 2022, 11:11 There are more articles about this, but basically WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman said that they will have an "at birth" rule which means that boxers born of the opposite sex cannot compete against each other for safety reasons. He said that they will not allow a transgender woman born a man to fight a woman who was born a woman. Therefore, a transgender female boxer born a man can only box against another transgender female boxer born a man.

All of which not only kind of closes the door on one form of cheating but also defeats the intentions of those who might undergo surgery and drugs in some forlorn hope of peace of mind though wider acceptance.

Perhaps some form of therapy might be a better option?

But anyway, if the WBC can make some mileage and money out of it, well that's ok then.
It could dissuade mediocre male boxers from becoming transgender for the purpose of winning a women's world title.
However, the WBC could simply have in their rules that only biological females can compete for their women's titles. In that case, there is no need to have a transgender category to protect women's boxing. If a transgender woman who was born a man wants to box, then they could box male opponents.
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Breitbart



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Is this the main news platform for some?
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1okstcsb wrote: 30 Dec 2022, 17:31 What I do not get is for example When the Man pretending to be a Woman and wound up winning the NCAA Championship for Woman, Why did they allow it? Why not just tell The Man PRETENDING to be a Woman get lost? We will not allow this absurdity to take a place.

There is no such thing as Transgender as you are what you are born as, That is an Ascribed Status something that can NOT be changed. Why even Entertain this Nonsense?

Men should fight men and Women should fight Woman in Boxing, There should NOT be transgender Divisions for people who pretend to be the Sex of what they are not, by allowing this people are allowing nonsense to prevail. This LGBTQ garbage should not be entertained as real.
I wonder if people would want to watch transgender boxing. I don't see a huge demand for this. Because the WBC is saying that transgender boxers can only fight against boxers of the same biological gender, they are inferring that transgenders are not totally transformed into a different gender. Otherwise, a transgender woman would be permitted to fight a biological woman. The WBC is trying to seem inclusive, but in fact, it may appear to be the opposite. The WBC claims that they are doing this for safety. They didn't have to create a transgender category for that. They could just not permit a biological female to compete against a transgender female who was born a man.

The WBC changed their cruiserweight limit from 200 pounds to 190 which is what it originally was in 1979. Then they created a bridgerweight division with a weight limit of 224. Therefore, heavyweight in the WBC is above 224. There is a 34 pound gap between cruiserweight and bridgerweight in the WBC. That in my opinion does not sound like a decision made based on safety. The other sanctioning bodies do not recognize the bridgerweight division or the change to the cruiserweight limit made by the WBC.
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funso banjo baby wrote: 30 Dec 2022, 19:50 Breitbart



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Is this the main news platform for some?
I tried copying and pasting a link to another article, but it did not show. Maybe that news website has some sort of protection on that. The articles on this topic state essentially the same things.
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funso banjo baby wrote: 30 Dec 2022, 19:50 Breitbart



:shame:

Is this the main news platform for some?
Sadly, for many on this site I imagine it is
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Ok, but isn't a guy going girl or a girl going guy totally opposite things? Don't there need to be 2 extra divisions? :maybe:
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Tony1244 wrote: 31 Dec 2022, 10:40 Ok, but isn't a guy going girl or a girl going guy totally opposite things? Don't there need to be 2 extra divisions? :maybe:
Did you not read it?
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This is all very strange indeed.
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joshj909 wrote: 31 Dec 2022, 13:40
Tony1244 wrote: 31 Dec 2022, 10:40 Ok, but isn't a guy going girl or a girl going guy totally opposite things? Don't there need to be 2 extra divisions? :maybe:
Did you not read it?
I did not read it. :oops: Not crazy about the link or Jose Sulliman for that matter, so I'll skip it.
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Tony1244 wrote: 31 Dec 2022, 13:55
joshj909 wrote: 31 Dec 2022, 13:40
Tony1244 wrote: 31 Dec 2022, 10:40 Ok, but isn't a guy going girl or a girl going guy totally opposite things? Don't there need to be 2 extra divisions? :maybe:
Did you not read it?
I did not read it. :oops: Not crazy about the link or Jose Sulliman for that matter, so I'll skip it.
Jose Sulaiman died in 2014. His son Mauricio is the current WBC president. You're right that there would need to be 2 transgender divisions (male becoming female and female becoming male) because the opponent would have to be the same type of transgender person. The WBC is calling it a "division," but I think a better word would be a "category" like men's boxing and women's boxing. There are divisions/weight classes within those categories and I think that there would be weight classes in 2 transgender boxing categories.
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So two middlweight men , who excercise there right to be women and make some money beating up on women , are then rightly told your born a man you fight each other , which heads off at the pass a man suing them because he wants to fight Karen not Bob .

But theres still the problem , when the newly found Karen with a dick , has to fight the newly crowned prom queen from La WITH A DICK called Pamela ,, what happens when Charlo wants there belt and says he's got a dick and wants to fight the winner of Karen and Pamela .

:doh: :doh: All too confusing for me :lol:
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Basically if Transgenders can't compete against people they have a physical advantage over. They probably just won't box at all. So I'd imagine the division will either be 2 or 0 people.
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gilgamesh wrote: 01 Jan 2023, 22:51 Basically if Transgenders can't compete against people they have a physical advantage over. They probably just won't box at all. So I'd imagine the division will either be 2 or 0 people.
I could see that happening. Less than 1% of the population is transgender. How many of them want to box professionally? Then that minuscule amount will be separated into two categories (male to female and female to male). Then they have to match up boxers of similar weights. According to this article, the WBC does not know how many transgender boxers exist.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rest ... money-grab
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1% of the population? more like 0.1 %... imagine the talent pool!

those 'divisions' gonna be stacked!

they will have to invent a couple of new inbetween weight classes to make room for all the fighting transformers!

exactly what boxing needs!
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It was more of a political statement rather than anything of practical value...
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adislav123 wrote: 02 Jan 2023, 17:07 1% of the population? more like 0.1 %... imagine the talent pool!

those 'divisions' gonna be stacked!

they will have to invent a couple of new inbetween weight classes to make room for all the fighting transformers!

exactly what boxing needs!
I stated "less than 1%." We don't know exactly what it is for the world population. According to the U.S. Census, there are about one million transgenders in the United States. The percentage of the U.S. population is in the range of 0.3% to 0.6% which is still below 1%.
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