Fighters that went downhill after first loss

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Jeff Lacy.

After Calzaghe literally slapped him silly, he never really regained that fearsome reputation he had previously.
Hard not to disagree.

Lacy and his team seemed to arrive in Manchester believing Calzaghe was the very best-paid stiff on the market - they massively fancied-it - and were very open about it to the point of being obnoxious.

So the shock of their entire boxing and business plan exploding right in their faces must have been massive.

Lacy in particular, seemed to be a guy who thought he was getting cookies and cream and got served a couple of buckets of battery acid.

I have watched the fight a fair few times and Lacy is literally this hugely-confident and destructive fighter suddenly looking at his corner in-between rounds and without ever saying it....somehow says, this guy is a nightmare and I don't have an answer and we called it all wrong.
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Re: Fighters that went downhill after first loss

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Joe Frazier?

Some might argue that it was Ali 1 that finished Joe, but that's hard to quantify as he went on bum of the year tour in '72, but the first time he got back into the ring with an opponent that could hit him back, he was bounced round the ring like a basketball.

Okay, it was against Foreman who at that point in history was arguably the strongest HW fighter the world had ever seen, but there's no doubt that Smokin' Joe was never the same again, even if he gave Ali fits in Manila after that.
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Bodyshot3 wrote: 07 Jan 2023, 15:48
Jeff Lacy.

After Calzaghe literally slapped him silly, he never really regained that fearsome reputation he had previously.
Hard not to disagree.

Lacy and his team seemed to arrive in Manchester believing Calzaghe was the very best-paid stiff on the market - they massively fancied-it - and were very open about it to the point of being obnoxious.

So the shock of their entire boxing and business plan exploding right in their faces must have been massive.

Lacy in particular, seemed to be a guy who thought he was getting cookies and cream and got served a couple of buckets of battery acid.

I have watched the fight a fair few times and Lacy is literally this hugely-confident and destructive fighter suddenly looking at his corner in-between rounds and without ever saying it....somehow says, this guy is a nightmare and I don't have an answer and we called it all wrong.
The one thing that annoys me with that fight is the stat that JC hit him over a 1000 times. I’ve heard Calzaghe and other well known pundits say it and amazes me they think that was the case.
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While I'm sure he didn't hit him 1000 times, he had to have landed 7 or 8 shots to every 1 of Lacy's. If not more than that.

It was an absolute pasting.

About as lopsided a 12-0 victory as you'll see.

As I recall at some point in the fight he had Lacy badly wobbled too. I don't remember which round, but yeah that was about as one sided an ass kicking as you ever see in a fight where the consensus going in was the exact opposite.

It's one thing if you're Lacy to come in, confident as all hell, and you lose a close one. But to not win a single round, and just be absolutely embarrassed. Yeah I'd imagine that's a huge shot to the ego.

But yeah I remember not too terribly long after this Jeff Lacy fought Jermain Taylor, and even though Lacy was the bigger fighter and they were basically the same age, it had the feel of Taylor just kinda doing a favor for his old Amateur buddy Lacy, and getting him a payday by getting him a notable fight.

Taylor I recall seemed like he had no fear whatsoever of anything Lacy could do, and Lacy gave him reason.
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gilgamesh wrote: 07 Jan 2023, 19:05 While I'm sure he didn't hit him 1000 times, he had to have landed 7 or 8 shots to every 1 of Lacy's. If not more than that.

It was an absolute pasting.

About as lopsided a 12-0 victory as you'll see.

As I recall at some point in the fight he had Lacy badly wobbled too. I don't remember which round, but yeah that was about as one sided an ass kicking as you ever see in a fight where the consensus going in was the exact opposite.

It's one thing if you're Lacy to come in, confident as all hell, and you lose a close one. But to not win a single round, and just be absolutely embarrassed. Yeah I'd imagine that's a huge shot to the ego.

But yeah I remember not too terribly long after this Jeff Lacy fought Jermain Taylor, and even though Lacy was the bigger fighter and they were basically the same age, it had the feel of Taylor just kinda doing a favor for his old Amateur buddy Lacy, and getting him a payday by getting him a notable fight.

Taylor I recall seemed like he had no fear whatsoever of anything Lacy could do, and Lacy gave him reason.
Yes of course it was one sided, the stats online say
351 landed out of 948 for Calzaghe and 116 landed out of 444 for Lacy
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Controversial wrote: 07 Jan 2023, 19:24
gilgamesh wrote: 07 Jan 2023, 19:05 While I'm sure he didn't hit him 1000 times, he had to have landed 7 or 8 shots to every 1 of Lacy's. If not more than that.

It was an absolute pasting.

About as lopsided a 12-0 victory as you'll see.

As I recall at some point in the fight he had Lacy badly wobbled too. I don't remember which round, but yeah that was about as one sided an ass kicking as you ever see in a fight where the consensus going in was the exact opposite.

It's one thing if you're Lacy to come in, confident as all hell, and you lose a close one. But to not win a single round, and just be absolutely embarrassed. Yeah I'd imagine that's a huge shot to the ego.

But yeah I remember not too terribly long after this Jeff Lacy fought Jermain Taylor, and even though Lacy was the bigger fighter and they were basically the same age, it had the feel of Taylor just kinda doing a favor for his old Amateur buddy Lacy, and getting him a payday by getting him a notable fight.

Taylor I recall seemed like he had no fear whatsoever of anything Lacy could do, and Lacy gave him reason.
Yes of course it was one sided, the stats online say
351 landed out of 948 for Calzaghe and 116 landed out of 444 for Lacy
So that's around 3 to 1 for Calzaghe. Boy it sure seemed worse than that.
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gilgamesh wrote: 08 Jan 2023, 01:50
Controversial wrote: 07 Jan 2023, 19:24
gilgamesh wrote: 07 Jan 2023, 19:05 While I'm sure he didn't hit him 1000 times, he had to have landed 7 or 8 shots to every 1 of Lacy's. If not more than that.

It was an absolute pasting.

About as lopsided a 12-0 victory as you'll see.

As I recall at some point in the fight he had Lacy badly wobbled too. I don't remember which round, but yeah that was about as one sided an ass kicking as you ever see in a fight where the consensus going in was the exact opposite.

It's one thing if you're Lacy to come in, confident as all hell, and you lose a close one. But to not win a single round, and just be absolutely embarrassed. Yeah I'd imagine that's a huge shot to the ego.

But yeah I remember not too terribly long after this Jeff Lacy fought Jermain Taylor, and even though Lacy was the bigger fighter and they were basically the same age, it had the feel of Taylor just kinda doing a favor for his old Amateur buddy Lacy, and getting him a payday by getting him a notable fight.

Taylor I recall seemed like he had no fear whatsoever of anything Lacy could do, and Lacy gave him reason.
Yes of course it was one sided, the stats online say
351 landed out of 948 for Calzaghe and 116 landed out of 444 for Lacy
So that's around 3 to 1 for Calzaghe. Boy it sure seemed worse than that.
What is amazing is Calzaghe was injured before the fight and couldn't punch in training for a few weeks. I remember him saying he wanted to pull out but his dad told him to fight. Then he broke his hand in the fight just to make it worse and still boxed his head off.
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What is amazing is Calzaghe was injured before the fight and couldn't punch in training for a few weeks. I remember him saying he wanted to pull out but his dad told him to fight. Then he broke his hand in the fight just to make it worse and still boxed his head off.
Calzaghe's hands were indeed a curse; he fought on injections and had to become a volume puncher.
He's probably got a heap of problems right now and has a Paracetamol with his breakfast.

But the fight was really about Lacy being a feared enforcer-fighter -seemingly destined for the biggest fights on the planet and a night in Manchester with Calzaghe being just a stepping-stone - and then having that all turned right round on him in an evening from hell.
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Re: Fighters that went downhill after first loss

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Pedro Vilella
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Alfonso Zamora
John Caldwell
Fernando Vargas
David Reid
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David Bey. Showed promise early in his career; even held his own against Holmes. Fell apart after that.
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HomicideHenry wrote: 03 Jan 2023, 15:26 Hamed is one of those boxing superstars I never quite understood why people thought he was so great unless the British are simply all about the flash and the presentation. :maybe:

Usually when it comes to these kind of questions I'm always reminded of white hopes or hype jobs who were build up as the next heavyweight champion only for them to fall short. David Price is one of the more recent examples I can think of that. I think retrospectively his career would have been much better had he never been pushed to be a world beater and just settled for being the British and Commonwealth heavyweight champion kind of like Henry Cooper was for years and years.
MAB did crush Naz and derailed him but justified his reputation with some stellar wins before that. It was a great time to be young in the UK from a boxing perspective.
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Mugabi gave Hagler a tough scrap and then was stopped in 3 rounds in his next fight
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bwu wrote: 10 Jan 2023, 03:06Pedro Vilella
I will put the guy he controversially beat in his first fight, Bobby Joe Young, there as well.
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:-P Lacy in particular, seemed to be a guy who thought he was getting cookies and cream and got served a couple of buckets of battery acid
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