Edward and DAZN 2023

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garethhop wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 12:37 The wider issue is of course if DAZN will survive, certainly in its current form. Their 2022 losses are eye watering and they are nowhere near the profit stages.

They spent last year cutting costs and offsetting the costs of their sports rights, and trying to move to betting etc.

I'm sure all of this plays into the reasons not just why PPV rocked up, but why you just aren't seeing anything like the output from Matchroom quality wise that there was pre Covid.
Have they announced their 2022 results yet? Very quick turnaround if they have!

They signed a 5 year deal with Misfits and have committed to long term rights deals in other countries so I’d be surprised if they go pop in the next few years.

If they were going to turn off the money tap then covid would have been the time I think.

They just haven’t been able to properly crack the US or U.K., regardless of what Eddie says, due to not having many other decent tv rights deals.
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They will need to expand to other sports. Darts and football being the first 2
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boomtown65 wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 06:34
daz74 wrote: 10 Jan 2023, 19:06 matchroom put on 32 cards last year, i watched them all and they were quality. The deluded haterz on this site are pathetic
I couldn't care if they put on 132 cards. They put on 12 in the UK and that's all i am interested in. All my mates are the same and every one of them had DAZN but have now cancelled. Edward was King and he is definitely my favourite promoter but things have gone downhill. It got even worse yesterday that DAZN is now the home of fake boxing. I also disagree totally win the Conor Benn situation. Drugs gets bans. In system ban. All I want is boxing on Saturday nights from 6 to 11 where I know the boxers

years ago they had friday fight night on sky about 17-18 years ago i remember for a fair while running seemed like most weeks back then used to watch in the pub
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ThereByTheGrace wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 12:51 They will need to expand to other sports. Darts and football being the first 2
All the more reason to increase the price as well.
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maverick23 wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 12:49
garethhop wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 12:37 The wider issue is of course if DAZN will survive, certainly in its current form. Their 2022 losses are eye watering and they are nowhere near the profit stages.

They spent last year cutting costs and offsetting the costs of their sports rights, and trying to move to betting etc.

I'm sure all of this plays into the reasons not just why PPV rocked up, but why you just aren't seeing anything like the output from Matchroom quality wise that there was pre Covid.
Have they announced their 2022 results yet? Very quick turnaround if they have!

They signed a 5 year deal with Misfits and have committed to long term rights deals in other countries so I’d be surprised if they go pop in the next few years.

If they were going to turn off the money tap then covid would have been the time I think.

They just haven’t been able to properly crack the US or U.K., regardless of what Eddie says, due to not having many other decent tv rights deals.
I mean 2021 sorry. Announced today. Huge losses.

Everything in 2022 was about offsetting and cutting costs and limiting expansion on sports.
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ThereByTheGrace wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 12:51 They will need to expand to other sports. Darts and football being the first 2
If Darts leaves SKY that will kill it without the promotion and no worthwhile UK football rights up for grabs , all other sports will see what has happened to boxing and think we won't go there
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tony1234 wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 14:53
ThereByTheGrace wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 12:51 They will need to expand to other sports. Darts and football being the first 2
If Darts leaves SKY that will kill it without the promotion and no worthwhile UK football rights up for grabs , all other sports will see what has happened to boxing and think we won't go there
Darts NEED Sky.
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garethhop wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 14:26
maverick23 wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 12:49
garethhop wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 12:37 The wider issue is of course if DAZN will survive, certainly in its current form. Their 2022 losses are eye watering and they are nowhere near the profit stages.

They spent last year cutting costs and offsetting the costs of their sports rights, and trying to move to betting etc.

I'm sure all of this plays into the reasons not just why PPV rocked up, but why you just aren't seeing anything like the output from Matchroom quality wise that there was pre Covid.
Have they announced their 2022 results yet? Very quick turnaround if they have!

They signed a 5 year deal with Misfits and have committed to long term rights deals in other countries so I’d be surprised if they go pop in the next few years.

If they were going to turn off the money tap then covid would have been the time I think.

They just haven’t been able to properly crack the US or U.K., regardless of what Eddie says, due to not having many other decent tv rights deals.
I mean 2021 sorry. Announced today. Huge losses.

Everything in 2022 was about offsetting and cutting costs and limiting expansion on sports.
Yeah - I’m not surprised re: 2021. I’d imagine though that the vast vast bulk of those losses come from other sports. I bet if they P&L’d just boxing then it’d be loss making still but a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things.

I’d imagine their losses are a lot lower for 2022. They really couldn’t have picked a worse time to launch globally. Attempting to be a Netflix for sports whilst there’s a global pandemic impacting sports followed by a cost of living crisis impacting the majority of countries.
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dazn signed for 5 more years of #influencer boxing, so they must be roaring. also got the dual warrington + ebby bridges cards, on fire.
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liamlion wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 08:39
maverick23 wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 08:18
liamlion wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 08:05

Deluded haterz? The fact that Eddie Hearn has lost so many fighters since he has gone to DAZN and various other fighters have declined to sign with him indicates that all isnt well. Most of us dont care about cards in Mexico or provisional US towns at 4:00am in the morning.

His demise on the domestic scene is very apparent. I think you are deluded when you make such comments.
There’s a narrative that Eddie’s haemorrhaging fighters in the U.K. but who has he actually lost? Okolie got a lot of press. Jonas left partly because Eddie didn’t want to pay her for a crap fight. Are there many others?
Lawrence Okolie, Chris Billam-Smith, Liam Smith, Richard Riakorphre, Marku, Natasha Jonas, Savannah Marshall, Joseph Parker... Ben Whittaker declined Matchroom as did Lauren Price. Did Frazer Clarke also refuse Eddie? Joe Cordina and Felix Cash are unhappy about inactivity. Callum Smith isnt fighting regularly nor Buatsi. Khan-Brock wouldnt fight each other with Eddie. He had a fight with Boxxer to resign Dalton Smith and apparently is paying him big dollar for a 3 fight deal.

I dont take any joy in this, I am a fan of Eddie and loved his work on Sky.
they didn’t lose these fighters they just chose not to keep them at the same rate of pay, they’re more savvy now, ensuring their fighters have global worth and can “move the needle” !!

my box has PPV and international channels so i could well be watching Smith Eubank on DAZN :TU:

despite rating DAZN I still rate Ben Shalom, he’s growing on me, i like his attitude. Warren’s a twat but his boys are ok.
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daz74 wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 18:36
liamlion wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 08:39
maverick23 wrote: 11 Jan 2023, 08:18

There’s a narrative that Eddie’s haemorrhaging fighters in the U.K. but who has he actually lost? Okolie got a lot of press. Jonas left partly because Eddie didn’t want to pay her for a crap fight. Are there many others?
Lawrence Okolie, Chris Billam-Smith, Liam Smith, Richard Riakorphre, Marku, Natasha Jonas, Savannah Marshall, Joseph Parker... Ben Whittaker declined Matchroom as did Lauren Price. Did Frazer Clarke also refuse Eddie? Joe Cordina and Felix Cash are unhappy about inactivity. Callum Smith isnt fighting regularly nor Buatsi. Khan-Brock wouldnt fight each other with Eddie. He had a fight with Boxxer to resign Dalton Smith and apparently is paying him big dollar for a 3 fight deal.

I dont take any joy in this, I am a fan of Eddie and loved his work on Sky.
they didn’t lose these fighters they just chose not to keep them at the same rate of pay, they’re more savvy now, ensuring their fighters have global worth and can “move the needle” !!
Conor Benn certainly been moving the needle.
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DAZN can spout all they like but if there are not enough subscribers to turn a profit then it will be a bottomless money pit and the billionaire Blavatnik will soon become a millionaire.
I wonder what will happen if DAZN does go tits up in the UK and where Matchroom will turn, SKY and BT look sorted and it might be have to be to C5 and leisure centres and shopping malls.
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tony1234 wrote: 12 Jan 2023, 08:15 DAZN can spout all they like but if there are not enough subscribers to turn a profit then it will be a bottomless money pit and the billionaire Blavatnik will soon become a millionaire.
I wonder what will happen if DAZN does go tits up in the UK and where Matchroom will turn, SKY and BT look sorted and it might be have to be to C5 and leisure centres and shopping malls.
DAZN are still doing new rights deals globally so whilst they’ve looked to limit the losses, quite rightly, they’re still looking to grow.

It’s a different world now. I’d be surprised if Len puts loads of his personal money in there but if you take Uber, overall losses so far of $25bn yet has a worth as a company of over $50bn. DAZN’s plan will be to continue to expand their customer base, reduce their losses and look to float.

Whatever happens I can’t see Eddie in the shopping malls and leisure centres. He said he had several offers when his deal with Sky was finishing up. May well have been rubbish but it wouldn’t surprise me if Amazon Prime weren’t interested in some of their sports Tv rights.
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Top DAZN exec reveals how the streamer is gearing up to super-serve fans in 2023, moving beyond boxing, and betting big on women's sports
  • Len Blavatnik has invested billions to get sports streamer DAZN off the ground; it's now in 200 territories.
  • DAZN is targeting women's sports for more investment and attention in 2023.
  • The company's North American CEO, Joe Markowski, wants to deliver experiences alongside sports content.
The CEO, North America of sports streamer DAZN, Joe Markowski, has one of the toughest bosses in media. Access Industries CEO Len Blavatnik has spent billions launching this challenger brand in sports entertainment after seeing how streaming reversed the fortunes of corporate sibling Warner Music, where Blavatnik is vice chairman of the board.

While DAZN is already a force in parts of Asia, Europe and in Latin America, its North America presence is still mostly known for pay-per-view boxing. Working with chairman Kevin Mayer, the former Disney streaming chief, and global CEO Shay Segev, Markowski's DAZN is building a platform for sports in-between established global players such as Disney, Apple, Amazon, and Comcast — and on the domestic front CBS and Fox.

Markowski, who stepped up as CEO, North America in September after seven years at the company, told Insider he's betting on growth in women's sports, boxing, and Spanish-language programming. His vision of where things go at DAZN doesn't end with acquiring sports rights however — he sees sports encompassing the whole fan experience from streaming to betting and beyond.

Markowski's December interview with Insider has been condensed and edited for clarity.

DAZN is known for boxing. Where are things headed in 2023 and what are the bets in your business for longer term growth?

I think it's the expansion and the investment in our global platform, investing in content to broaden what we serve to consumers on a global basis. Our investment in women's sport is central to that.

We made a 10-year deal in 2014 with women's tennis to form WTA Media, which is a joint venture. We own the commercial rights along with the WTA for all the women's tennis. And we sell that content to ourselves and we sell it to other broadcasters around the world. We've got a legacy in investing in women's sport.

More recently we've acquired the UEFA Women's Champions League rights on a global basis. We've done that over four years, the first two years of which we've done in partnership with YouTube and Google. The purpose is to grow awareness of the property. Years three and four we will carry that content exclusively on DAZN. Women's soccer, in particular, is where we're investing to acquire the rights on a global basis. We believe it's foundational to our building.

We've also invested heavily in women's boxing. In late April of this year, for the first time in MSG's history two women headlined: Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano. It broke broadcast records globally. More than a million people watched that fight live on DAZN. You are starting to see real, meaningful growth in women's sport now and that comes in different forms.

I've mentioned broadcast [viewing] numbers. I could mention Adidas and EA Sports sponsoring DAZN's women's Champions League content in a really meaningful way on a global basis. I could mention the fact that in 2022, the top three most attended soccer games in Europe have been women's games.

So you're seeing real tangible, and intangible, growth metrics around the sport. Amongst my family and friends, who five years ago would not have been — on WhatsApp or in casual conversations in the pub or over a dinner table — talking about women's sport, they're now doing that.

The professionalism of the production in women's sport, we've been central to driving that forward. We are very happy to bring major investment via our rights fees and via the investments of our sponsorship partners to the sport that's long overdue recognition and compensation for women athletes. It's a circle: more investment, more interest, more eyeballs.

Spanish-language rights are a growth area for DAZN too. What can you tell us about what rights are out there or how you want to capitalize on that audience?

In the US, boxing fans in this country are disproportionately Hispanic relative to the wider population. Spanish-speaking people in the US love their boxing — Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Latin Americans more broadly, absolutely adore boxing.

Some of the leading boxers in the world come from those countries [in Latin America]. That means that our US business and customer base is heavily Spanish-speaking. They consume content on our platform in Spanish and in English. We see an opportunity to acquire Spanish language content to serve those guys with a broader range of local content. That could be soccer, boxing, and more fight sports.

So you've got Amazon, Apple, Comcast, Warner Bros. Discovery, Disney, all competing for huge expensive sports rights. How do you conceive of a streamer that can enter that market and own a piece of it?

Well we conceived DAZN almost eight years ago, and we ended up launching in 2016. That was a long time before a lot of those guys were even considering streaming platforms.

So we saw an opportunity in a couple of markets where there was not much disruption from a broadcast perspective, where rights holders were getting a little bit frustrated by the lack of growth in the market. We saw an opportunity to disrupt and come in quickly and acquire major media rights in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Japan. They consistently came out at the top of our list, whatever way we cut the data.

We built a product, we brought on fantastic new technical and marketing and PR people. We leveraged our B2B relationships and rights holders that we'd established with [DAZN precursor] Perform Group, and [DAZN majority owner] Access Industries got access to major content packages, so that allowed us to launch the world's first pure play sports streaming platform. We have since launched North American businesses in Canada with NFL and Premier League and Champions League rights.

We launched in the US and Italy in 2018, Spain more recently, 2020. We have significant investments in nine media markets. We saw opportunities to leverage globally cleared rights and launch a global platform, and that allowed us to turn on the service or a version of the service in 200 plus markets and territories around the world.

The real business for us is the ongoing monthly subscription relationship that we have with boxing fans in this country, or soccer fans in Germany or Italy, and baseball fans in Japan.

And your vision is to deliver beyond being a sports broadcaster?

The way I see in our vision for the business going forward is you take the video subscription relationship you have with the sports fan, the boxing fan, the soccer fan, and you start patching together alongside that multiple different engagement touchpoints, monetization touchpoints to serve that fan with his or her fandom — be that sports betting, merchandise and ecommerce sales, interactions with other fans and athletes and teams, serving every aspect of their fandom in a very holistic way, making the platform a destination for all things sports fans want to do and see around their sport.

I would argue that the industry thus far has focused almost entirely on serving of live and on-demand content to the consumer. There's a lot more to being a sports fan than just watching the live game or watching the highlights. We want to build a destination platform that services all of the different things that sports fan wants — from when he, or she, wakes up all the way through the day until they go to sleep.
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Reading that they are in more trouble than we think, women's boxing and football is not going to get many new subscribers.
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Betting on women’s sport to bring in the subs. Great plan.
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Think we might see some big ‘tech type’ firms go under in the near future.

The climate where mega funds were endlessly available until profits started coming is coming to an end and there will be a trend back towards more traditional business models.

DAZN, Peloton, Tesla, Lyft … all behind where they wanted to be. Even Amazon are laying people off.
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Frostieballs wrote: 12 Jan 2023, 16:13 Think we might see some big ‘tech type’ firms go under in the near future.

The climate where mega funds were endlessly available until profits started coming is coming to an end and there will be a trend back towards more traditional business models.

DAZN, Peloton, Tesla, Lyft … all behind where they wanted to be. Even Amazon are laying people off.
Yeh. Amazon are closing 3 warehouses in the UK.

Costing 1500 jobs.
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Since their big Launch in 2016, they have now lost $6 billion.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 13 Jan 2023, 04:45 Since their big Launch in 2016, they have now lost $6 billion.
Not likely to turn around in the current financial climate as people cut down on extra TV subscriptions, especially one such as DAZN which for 2 months has had no British boxing on. At least Netflix etc have plenty of new content to justify paying for but what is basically a single sport channel that doesn't show like boxing in the British time zone will cater for the hardcore only.
If Eddie had stayed on SKY then Boxxer wouldn't have got a look in instead they have become a major rival and the BT merger went nowhere either.
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They were still losing money at the end of 2022 but not as much.

Everything in every country now has to start washing it's own face in terms of costs.

There ain't no more Mikey Garcia fights, but then again there probably ain't no more John Ryder Vs Danny Jacobs either......
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I really struggle to watch Eddie being interviewed.
Just the lies and bullsh*t over Connor Benn, makes me think he is lying every time he opens his mouth.
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