FantasyMatchup 3: Ezzard Charles vs. Roy Jones Jr.

AndreWardFan2006 · Post by **AndreWardFan2006** » 12 Aug 2006, 17:18

What are your thoughts on this fight?

Both started careers as middleweights, both fighters were skilled in their own way, but both had sketchy chins. I say Jr. by decision.

~A.W.F~

theone · Post by **theone** » 12 Aug 2006, 19:40

Jones has the speed advantage in this one and...well, thats it. I think Charles is still fast enough to force afight out of Jones, but is too tough and powerful for Jones to handle. Prime Jones avoids getting ko'd I think but still loses a pretty clear cut decision.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 12 Aug 2006, 20:49

At 160, Charles by decision.

At 175, Charles by decision.

At 200, Charles by decision.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 12 Aug 2006, 21:36

I dont have Jones beating Charles.
I cant pick Jones over Charles at Middle.Not when Charles has 2 victories over Charley Burley at around that weight. Jones aint no Burley.
Charles was top 5 all time at 175 maybe the best ever at that weight. Im hesitant to pick anyone over him at that weight.
At 200 Charles was a legitimate champion and holds victories over solid opposition.
Jones copped a dec. over John Ruiz.
Gotta go with Ezzard at any weight.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 12 Aug 2006, 23:59

Woah... Stop the press! Charles' chin was solid. It wasn't shaky, sketchy or even shady.

Before he fully matured into the strong light heavyweight he became, he had the shit punched out of him by Marshall and Bivins. He went in the army and came out much tougher, stronger and bigger than before. After that, he wasn't floored that often, not until he was past it.

P.S. - Charles was far too well rounded for Jones. He was almost literally the light heavyweight version of Ray Robinson, and arguably the best fighter of all time at his peak. Yep, he was that good, it's just a shame that few realize it. Jones, who neglected his jab at this weight, would be speared to near death by Charles' sharp, straight punches.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 22 Aug 2006, 09:55

Charles wins this match up at any weight, as previously suggested.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 22 Aug 2006, 10:01

I would have to say Moore did some chincheckin' on Ezz and he passed the test. Roy would be way over his head with Ezzard.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 22 Aug 2006, 10:08

160 and 168, RJJ would be tough to beat, much faster than anyone I've seen at those weights. However, anything above 175, Roy gets popped and doesn't get up. However, I may give the edge to Ezz because he went down and got up, something Roy never did.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 22 Aug 2006, 10:29

I'd definitely take Roy Jones Jr at MW at SMW.

AndreWardFan2006 · Post by **AndreWardFan2006** » 22 Aug 2006, 10:41

So basically this fight would have been Experience(Charles) vs. Hype(Jones).

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 22 Aug 2006, 10:52

AndreWardFan2006 wrote:So basically this fight would have been Experience(Charles) vs. Hype(Jones).

Jones is a lot more than hype. He's going to be a handful for even the cream of the best at these weights but Charles IMO can equal Jones in athletic ability and had more craft/skill.

I think Charles also answered all questions in his career whereas there are still some question marks hanging over Jones. I think Charles wins.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 22 Aug 2006, 12:48

Mattyp151 wrote:160 and 168, RJJ would be tough to beat, much faster than anyone I've seen at those weights. However, anything above 175, Roy gets popped and doesn't get up. However, I may give the edge to Ezz because he went down and got up, something Roy never did.

That is a little unfair to Jones. He did manage to get up in the eighth round and win a decision when Lou Del Valle floored him hard with a left hand in 1998.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 22 Aug 2006, 15:14

Maybe because Jones didn't get knocked down as often as Charles did.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 22 Aug 2006, 15:24

evndrbsn wrote:
Mattyp151 wrote:160 and 168, RJJ would be tough to beat, much faster than anyone I've seen at those weights. However, anything above 175, Roy gets popped and doesn't get up. However, I may give the edge to Ezz because he went down and got up, something Roy never did.
That is a little unfair to Jones. He did manage to get up in the eighth round and win a decision when Lou Del Valle floored him hard with a left hand in 1998.

That was also a fight he was winning. Not getting up against Tarver, no problem. But he got abused by Johnson and called it quits.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 22 Aug 2006, 15:43

Mattyp151 wrote:
evndrbsn wrote:
Mattyp151 wrote:160 and 168, RJJ would be tough to beat, much faster than anyone I've seen at those weights. However, anything above 175, Roy gets popped and doesn't get up. However, I may give the edge to Ezz because he went down and got up, something Roy never did.
That is a little unfair to Jones. He did manage to get up in the eighth round and win a decision when Lou Del Valle floored him hard with a left hand in 1998.
That was also a fight he was winning. Not getting up against Tarver, no problem. But he got abused by Johnson and called it quits.

He was also only 29 against Del Valle. Against Tarver and Johnson he was 35. I'd have to imagine that had he been younger, he'd made a better attempt at getting up, although it is arguable that he got up from the Tarver knockdown before the count of ten. That's good old referee Jay Nady for you!

Speaking of which, now the database DOES have Jones-Tarver II listed as a TKO. I thought the commission said it was a KO? Either way, it looked like a TKO and not a KO to me and most of the people reporting on the fight.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 22 Aug 2006, 15:52

evndrbsn wrote:
Mattyp151 wrote:
evndrbsn wrote: That is a little unfair to Jones. He did manage to get up in the eighth round and win a decision when Lou Del Valle floored him hard with a left hand in 1998.
That was also a fight he was winning. Not getting up against Tarver, no problem. But he got abused by Johnson and called it quits.
He was also only 29 against Del Valle. Against Tarver and Johnson he was 35. I'd have to imagine that had he been younger, he'd made a better attempt at getting up, although it is arguable that he got up from the Tarver knockdown before the count of ten. That's good old referee Jay Nady for you!

Speaking of which, now the database DOES have Jones-Tarver II listed as a TKO. I thought the commission said it was a KO? Either way, it looked like a TKO and not a KO to me and most of the people reporting on the fight.

Either way, he wasn't continuing. He was flopping on teh ground for a bit, then he was still wobbling when he got up...watch how he walked away...he was clearly shelled at that point. No problem with Nady calling the fight.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 22 Aug 2006, 22:05

Mattyp151 wrote:
evndrbsn wrote:
Mattyp151 wrote: That was also a fight he was winning. Not getting up against Tarver, no problem. But he got abused by Johnson and called it quits.
He was also only 29 against Del Valle. Against Tarver and Johnson he was 35. I'd have to imagine that had he been younger, he'd made a better attempt at getting up, although it is arguable that he got up from the Tarver knockdown before the count of ten. That's good old referee Jay Nady for you!

Speaking of which, now the database DOES have Jones-Tarver II listed as a TKO. I thought the commission said it was a KO? Either way, it looked like a TKO and not a KO to me and most of the people reporting on the fight.
Either way, he wasn't continuing. He was flopping on teh ground for a bit, then he was still wobbling when he got up...watch how he walked away...he was clearly shelled at that point. No problem with Nady calling the fight.

I don't have a problem with Nady calling the fight either. The problem I have is that it was ruled a KO for a while when Jones clearly had everything but the soles of his shoes off the canvas before the ten count. Nice that BoxRec is recognizing it the way it should be - a TKO.