Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[The Gratest]

John the Baptist p4p #1

[polecateddy]

The Fury masterclass story again vs Klitchschko - the fight was too close for it to be a masterclass hence Fury's celebrations at the win.

Plus I think Klitchscko has every right to feel bitter that he didn't get his rematch chance.

If you have that as technically the best ever version of Fury, from a conditioning and bodyfat point of view, it's quite hard to say that version beats the best heavyweight champions coming before. Fury seemed quite underpowered for his size and only just edged out the ageing Vlad - who is a heavyweight with lots of durability question marks, and probably wouldn't have stood up to the best very well either.

[mickey1975]

Usyk is getting a lot of stick at the minute from fellow Ukranians over religion.

[gilgamesh]

I mean. It's his business what he believes in.

[joshj909]

I mean. It's his business what he believes in.

But that wouldn't fit the agenda

[The Gratest]

Putin's going to annex Yorkshire from the Ukraine next.

[keithmoonhangover]

The Fury masterclass story again vs Klitchschko - the fight was too close for it to be a masterclass hence Fury's celebrations at the win.

Plus I think Klitchscko has every right to feel bitter that he didn't get his rematch chance.

Did Fury fail the first PED test before or after that fight?

[ThereByTheGrace]

The Fury masterclass story again vs Klitchschko - the fight was too close for it to be a masterclass hence Fury's celebrations at the win.

Plus I think Klitchscko has every right to feel bitter that he didn't get his rematch chance.

Did Fury fail the first PED test before or after that fight?

The testing fail was in the hammer fight

[ThereByTheGrace]

The Fury masterclass story again vs Klitchschko - the fight was too close for it to be a masterclass hence Fury's celebrations at the win.

Plus I think Klitchscko has every right to feel bitter that he didn't get his rematch chance.

Did Fury fail the first PED test before or after that fight?

It was before. Test fail was for hammer fight which was fight before wlad

[keithmoonhangover]

The Fury masterclass story again vs Klitchschko - the fight was too close for it to be a masterclass hence Fury's celebrations at the win.

Plus I think Klitchscko has every right to feel bitter that he didn't get his rematch chance.

Did Fury fail the first PED test before or after that fight?

It was before. Test fail was for hammer fight which was fight before wlad

It's disgusting that he still got to fight Wlad. Shows what a despicable sport this can be,

[ThereByTheGrace]

I think the results didn't come out until summer of 16. After first fight but second wlad fight was cancelled

[bripez]

Fury looks physically better now than he did 10 years ago when he was failing drug tests, which is most unusual.

It's almost as if he now has better gear and protocols.

The testing bodies bodies are also scared in case he sues them so they probably give him a swerve.

[HomicideHenry]

Fury looks physically better now than he did 10 years ago when he was failing drug tests, which is most unusual.

It's almost as if he now has better gear and protocols.

The testing bodies bodies are also scared in case he sues them so they probably give him a swerve.

How you get that opinion I'll never know because Fury fought as low as 247 lb when he was more of a mover in the ring and now he's roughly 280 when he's not training.

[coneye]

Interesting how Fury always seems to get out of fights yet manages to create a him and me division between the fans , years ago would'nt fight Price , would'nt rematch Klitchko , gets out of Aj twice , , now this one which i highly doubt will happen ,,yet his fans always manage to blame the opponent , he really has not got a great resume when you look at it , take away an aging Klitchko , when he was juiced ,, take away Wilder not left with much in terms of good opposition are you , yet his followers are loyal to a man ,

I've said it from day one and will still say it ,, This fights not going to happen, there will be an issue regards the contract Franks sending , you know the one with no date , no venue , no purse , yet his followers blame Usyk for not signing it , IF he ever got it that is ,

The other fella Wilder he's the same spent a whole carreer handpicking , now obviously ducking his ordered fight with Ruiz , yet his suporters blame everyone else except him , and ALL supporters Fury and Wilder , will be happy to see fight 4 , thats the fight i call next for Fury ,, it won't even be Joyce , because even though Fury has the talent and goods to beat Joyce ,, Joe also has the size and heart to put it on Fury and make it very difficult for him ,

So in a few months after all the ducking and diving , the end result will be Fury got out of this one has well and his supporters will believe everything him and his father say its all the other guys fault ,,, the governing bodies really do have to start ordering then stripping the belt holders

[Grilling Machine]

Didn't Fury fail a drug test the year they boxed ( wild boar gate) but it wasn't announced until after their fight? Klitschko probably feels a bit aggrevieved..

Yep. Here's a tweet about how he'll be in even better shape than this previous photo (date unknown), about 4 months after Hammer and 5 before Klitschko:



Klitschko likely felt he underrated Fury a bit and obviously wanted another go, but with the strictest testing enforced on Fury while he did a cycle. Fury would've known this, and after a decision that surprised many (because we expected home favouritism), was flying high as the new champ. To rematch would've been a considerable risk for pretty much zero gain.

I see a lot of accusations of AJ fanboys on here, but I'm unaware we have any? In my mind we're just boxing fans who'd like to see him fight a few more times. Whereas I don't think there's been a boxer with such committed fans as Fury in the online age, to the point I believe they'll be quite deeply upset if he loses. Having hailed him as the greatest ever heavy they've so much investment in his continued success.

I'm a big Joyce fan, for example, and think he beats Fury. But if they fight and Joe loses, I'll be okay to say “Fair enough, Fury had what it took to beat him”. Just because I and many other posters don't like Fury much at the minute doesn't mean we'd deny him his boxing due. I've never doubted it once he's in the ring. Usyk just stands out right now because he's taken nearly every challenge he could, naturally making him well-liked around here. Doesn't mean we all expect him to beat Fury.

But if he does, and he just might, that'll be a huge blow to Fury and his hardcore fans. To the point I'll sense relief if this fight doesn't happen. Then it's back to theoryland, where of course Fury beats Uysk and Joyce and AJ and Ruiz and Jalolov and Mak and Anderson... If Fury went through these heavies like Usyk went through the cruisers he'd win over a lot more fans, even if he lost once or twice. See his draw against Wilder for evidence.

I rate Fury and I'm interested in watching him fight, I'm just not invested in this greatest ever chat that seemingly gets in the way of supporting it. Some of his fans have talked up his talent so much he can only achieve par or disappoint, a self-made albatross around his neck. Not to say I don't have doubts about AJ's willingness to fight him (I do), but I think Price would've taken a shot, know that Klitschko wanted another, and I reckon Joyce definitely would. And I've no reason to suspect Usyk won't accept a fair offer, if and when it comes.

In short, almost everyone on this forum rates Fury highly as a fighter, thus want to see him fighting the best. And should he never lose, most would give him fresh credit and not be upset. A few might gloat if he did lose, but that's what others have done following AJ's recent downturn, no? Just get these fights on!

Usyk-Fury and Wilder-Ruiz to start, and why not Wallin for AJ? I'd fancy AJ to stop him, and then we're fully set for AJ-Fury. About five years later! Or if they agree to it next, AJ-Wilder is still huge.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Arum on Fury-Usyk: "I Believe in The Next Week Venue Will Be Determined"

"I'm very optimistic the fight is going to happen," Arum told Sky Sports News. "Both fighters have agreed to do the fight, the question is the site and we're talking to the Middle East because allegedly they're going to come up with the biggest purse ever in boxing history.

"And if they do, that's where the fight is going to go because money is money. If they don't, both fighters will agree to do the fight this spring at Wembley... but the fight will happen in my opinion, certainly within the first four months of the year.

"Fighters want to do the best for themselves because a fighter's career, no matter how great he is, is limited and they want to make as much money as possible. So that's the only issue - where will the fight be held? I would believe in the next week that will be determined and then we'll have an official announcement of the date and site for the fight - but that fight is happening."

[Ruthless-RKO]

I thought Usyk was ‘The Cat’

[big lennox]

I thought Usyk was ‘The Cat’

I think Fury is calling Uysk the Rabbit, so Uysk is having fun responding to that.

[Teddy's Toupee]

BigDoofus and Mickey1975 are pathetic. Presumably grown men acting like lovestruck teenage groupies, compulsively sticking up for their heartthrob Fury. What a pair of gimps.

[HomicideHenry]

BigDoofus and Mickey1975 are pathetic. Presumably grown men acting like lovestruck teenage groupies, compulsively sticking up for their heartthrob Fury. What a pair of gimps.

Funny cuz I'm pretty sure a lot of you walked around like love sick puppies when Anthony Joshua was the champion and made every excuse in the world for him losing Andy Ruiz.

[coneye]

BigDoofus and Mickey1975 are pathetic. Presumably grown men acting like lovestruck teenage groupies, compulsively sticking up for their heartthrob Fury. What a pair of gimps.

Funny cuz I'm pretty sure a lot of you walked around like love sick puppies when Anthony Joshua was the champion and made every excuse in the world for him losing Andy Ruiz.

Way i see AJ is he's a big lumbering man , limited boxing skills good but not excellent , strong and hits extremly hard , he was gifted a Olympic medal because of who it was and where it was , it was'nt a complete trevesty because he did perform reasonably well , and home town Olympic medals are just there and always have been , Based on that he was then just like most others manipulated into place and gifted a world title trhough his promoter ,,, BUT along the way he was getting better and did fight and beat better opposition than most , he somehow had enormous appeal and made shitloads of money .
IS he or was he the best heavyweight , obviously not he got beat 3 times , but at least he did fight a good boxer in Ruiz , and he did avenge the loss , he did fight twice the guy who at the moment you would have to say is number 0ne , if only for the fact he's been undisputed cruiser weight champ moved through the ranks and now holds 3 heavyweight belts .

Whereass there hero Fury made his name beating Klitchko , who i may add was also beat by AJ , so it just leaves Wilder 3 times . every other fighter he's fought has been sub par to him and Joshua , Wilder has seen dodged the fight with AJ a year or so ago , shown no ambition to fight Ruiz , when ordered too , who AJ has fought twice .

Fury is so frustrating because if he were to fight the guys at the top like Ruiz , Joyce , Usyk he may well win and cement his legacy its the fact that he just decides at the last minuite he is obliged to fight someone for a 3rd time , ,then gives stupid dealines , and opts to fight his mate instead , then gives out stupid money demabnds , not to even metion boars meat ect ect

[HomicideHenry]

All I know is every time people get upset with Fury he keeps on winning so my view on it is if he defeats the Ukrainian and then he faces Ruiz or Joyce, and fights Joshua... there would always still be some sort of criticism because he didn't fight Daniel Dubois or some other idiot floating about.

I don't know why people think that Anthony Joshua really was more of a reliable heavyweight at least in terms of facing such great challenges because I don't think there's anyone out there who honestly thinks that Tyson Fury wouldn't have beaten the very same guys that Anthony Joshua did.

And for my money Tyson Fury beating Deontay Wilder three times basically does trump anything that Joshua has done because Wilder was one of the legitimate top three heavyweights in the world. It wasn't like Wilder was some man who magically gets rated in the top 15 or top 10 or top 5 who didn't deserve that spot, but was instead WBC champion with several title defenses.

The closest thing Anthony Joshua had to that was Joseph Parker the WBO champion and I don't think there's anyone who thinks Joseph Parker is better than Deontay Wilder. So when you really think about it Fury does have the superior resume over Anthony Joshua even if Anthony Joshua defended his title more than Tyson Fury did.

[joshj909]

All I know is every time people get upset with Fury he keeps on winning so my view on it is if he defeats the Ukrainian and then he faces Ruiz or Joyce, and fights Joshua... there would always still be some sort of criticism because he didn't fight Daniel Dubois or some other idiot floating about.

I don't know why people think that Anthony Joshua really was more of a reliable heavyweight at least in terms of facing such great challenges because I don't think there's anyone out there who honestly thinks that Tyson Fury wouldn't have beaten the very same guys that Anthony Joshua did.

And for my money Tyson Fury beating Deontay Wilder three times basically does trump anything that Joshua has done because Wilder was one of the legitimate top three heavyweights in the world. It wasn't like Wilder was some man who magically gets rated in the top 15 or top 10 or top 5 who didn't deserve that spot, but was instead WBC champion with several title defenses.

The closest thing Anthony Joshua had to that was Joseph Parker the WBO champion and I don't think there's anyone who thinks Joseph Parker is better than Deontay Wilder. So when you really think about it Fury does have the superior resume over Anthony Joshua even if Anthony Joshua defended his title more than Tyson Fury did.

What made Wilder so legit?

Generously ranking Wilder's top 4 wins and the top 4 wins of Joshua's biggest three active scalps:
1) Joshua - Ruiz 1st
2) Ruiz - Parker 1st
3) Povetkin - Whyte 1st
4) Parker - Whyte 2nd
5) Ortiz - Wilder 1st
6) Ortiz - Ruiz 2nd
7) Chisora - Parker 2nd
8) Chisora - Whyte 3rd
9) Takam - Parker 3rd
10) Rivas - Whyte 4th
11/12/13) Duhaupas/Helenius/Stiverne/Breazeale - Wilder 2nd, 3rd and 4th
14) Hughie - Parker 4th
15) Arreola - Ruiz 3rd
16) Dimitrenko - Ruiz 4th

[Teddy's Toupee]

BigDoofus and Mickey1975 are pathetic. Presumably grown men acting like lovestruck teenage groupies, compulsively sticking up for their heartthrob Fury. What a pair of gimps.

Funny cuz I'm pretty sure a lot of you walked around like love sick puppies when Anthony Joshua was the champion and made every excuse in the world for him losing Andy Ruiz.

You must have me confused with someone else. I'm an adult, I don't have any heartthrobs or heroes or anyone else I would worship like a lovesick schoolchild.

[HomicideHenry]

All I know is every time people get upset with Fury he keeps on winning so my view on it is if he defeats the Ukrainian and then he faces Ruiz or Joyce, and fights Joshua... there would always still be some sort of criticism because he didn't fight Daniel Dubois or some other idiot floating about.

I don't know why people think that Anthony Joshua really was more of a reliable heavyweight at least in terms of facing such great challenges because I don't think there's anyone out there who honestly thinks that Tyson Fury wouldn't have beaten the very same guys that Anthony Joshua did.

And for my money Tyson Fury beating Deontay Wilder three times basically does trump anything that Joshua has done because Wilder was one of the legitimate top three heavyweights in the world. It wasn't like Wilder was some man who magically gets rated in the top 15 or top 10 or top 5 who didn't deserve that spot, but was instead WBC champion with several title defenses.

The closest thing Anthony Joshua had to that was Joseph Parker the WBO champion and I don't think there's anyone who thinks Joseph Parker is better than Deontay Wilder. So when you really think about it Fury does have the superior resume over Anthony Joshua even if Anthony Joshua defended his title more than Tyson Fury did.

What made Wilder so legit?

What made him legit was that he did not lose his title in his maiden defense, like so many alphabet champions tend to do. He made 10 title defenses from 2015-2019, so he was certainly more hyperactive than most champions regardless of weight class. He rarely looked vulnerable while as champion. He was undefeated. And of course he was the only heavyweight out there that ever made Tyson Fury look vulnerable.

One can make an argument that his two knockout wins over Luis Ortiz was just as good or better than the vast majority of title defenses that Anthony Joshua ever had. Besides the public perception on Wilder is that he is a cut above Andy Ruiz for sure considering most people are favoring him to win if he ever was to fight Andy Ruiz, the same man who knocked out Anthony Joshua and whom Joshua ran away from most of the time in the rematch.

Throw in the perception that Wilder is one of the hardest punchers in boxing history other than George Foreman or Earnie Shavers, he certainly was and still is legit even if he is not a skillful heavyweight.