Ray Robinson (peak) vs Roberto Duran (Leonard I)

[keithmoonhangover]

At 154lbs and above, Robinson
At 147 and below, Duran

There is the possibility that Duran would quit. Isn't there? I mean, once a quitter, always a quitter.

[gilgamesh]

You don't even have a clue what is the art of fighting inside, gilgamesh. Don't get personal, okay?

It's hard not to get personal when someone makes an argument with as much merit as 2+2 = Jello.

Oh, so you want to get personal?

I've already said what I had to say.

[oogiebe]

That's all you got to say? Grow up, boy! Show me a fight that Sugar Ray Robinson fought well inside. He was not a good inside fighter. That is a fact that you and your 2 goon friends can't accept. Check mate!

How about a fight where he struggled inside?

Every time that Robinson is in danger of mixing it up, he grabs and holds. He is not a great inside fighter by any means. He ain't gonna whip Duran in the inside.

You are a duran Dyke Ryder!!!
("Every time")

[elmersalsa]

How about a fight where he struggled inside?

Every time that Robinson is in danger of mixing it up, he grabs and holds. He is not a great inside fighter by any means. He ain't gonna whip Duran in the inside.

You are a duran Dyke Ryder!!!
("Every time")

Robinson wouldn't beat Sugar Ray Leonard, either. He doesn't know how to fight inside. He lacked in that department. A 4/10 score fighting inside at best.

Watch his fight with Ralph "Tiger" Jones. Jones, a swarmed and brawler, gave him a shellacking. All because Robinson didn't know what to do in close quarters.

Carmen Basilio, the great fighter from Canastota also gave Robinson a shellacking. The same did the great Gene Fullmer. Fullmer always rushed in, and Robinson didn't have the capacity to fight an inside game fight.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have eaten him up for dinner. The same I think guys like James Toney and Mike McCallum would beat him. Their inside fame was way better than Robinson.

See, American people want to believe that this man was the most complete fighter ever. He looked very good for "his time" against guys that looked very ordinary. Some were stiffs.

In the Joey Maxim fight, the media wanted us to believe that the heat did Robinson and not Maxim. What mularkey excuse. Maxim was in the fight, too. Maxim was also human.

I think of the great Sugar Ray Robinson as the most overrated fighter that I have ever seen on film. His inside game was GARBAGE AT BEST. Put him to fight the great Bob Foster and Foster would whupp him from USA to Japan and back to Harlem.

The two most complete fighters of his time, he didn't fought them. Did he ducked them?

[elmersalsa]

At 154lbs and above, Robinson
At 147 and below, Duran

There is the possibility that Duran would quit. Isn't there? I mean, once a quitter, always a quitter.

What if the fight is in Panama City, Panama with the extensive heat? Would there be a possibility that Sugar Ray Robinson quit, also?

Once a heat quitter, always a quitter, right? Check mate!

[oogiebe]

Every time that Robinson is in danger of mixing it up, he grabs and holds. He is not a great inside fighter by any means. He ain't gonna whip Duran in the inside.

You are a duran Dyke Ryder!!!
("Every time")

Robinson wouldn't beat Sugar Ray Leonard, either. He doesn't know how to fight inside. He lacked in that department. A 4/10 score fighting inside at best.

Watch his fight with Ralph "Tiger" Jones. Jones, a swarmed and brawler, gave him a shellacking. All because Robinson didn't know what to do in close quarters.

Carmen Basilio, the great fighter from Canastota also gave Robinson a shellacking. The same did the great Gene Fullmer. Fullmer always rushed in, and Robinson didn't have the capacity to fight an inside game fight.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have eaten him up for dinner. The same I think guys like James Toney and Mike McCallum would beat him. Their inside fame was way better than Robinson.

See, American people want to believe that this man was the most complete fighter ever. He looked very good for "his time" against guys that looked very ordinary. Some were stiffs.

In the Joey Maxim fight, the media wanted us to believe that the heat did Robinson and not Maxim. What mularkey excuse. Maxim was in the fight, too. Maxim was also human.

I think of the great Sugar Ray Robinson as the most overrated fighter that I have ever seen on film. His inside game was GARBAGE AT BEST. Put him to fight the great Bob Foster and Foster would whupp him from USA to Japan and back to Harlem.

The two most complete fighters of his time, he didn't fought them. Did he ducked them?

[tiny_acres]

You are a duran Dyke Ryder!!!
("Every time")

Robinson wouldn't beat Sugar Ray Leonard, either. He doesn't know how to fight inside. He lacked in that department. A 4/10 score fighting inside at best.

Watch his fight with Ralph "Tiger" Jones. Jones, a swarmed and brawler, gave him a shellacking. All because Robinson didn't know what to do in close quarters.

Carmen Basilio, the great fighter from Canastota also gave Robinson a shellacking. The same did the great Gene Fullmer. Fullmer always rushed in, and Robinson didn't have the capacity to fight an inside game fight.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have eaten him up for dinner. The same I think guys like James Toney and Mike McCallum would beat him. Their inside fame was way better than Robinson.

See, American people want to believe that this man was the most complete fighter ever. He looked very good for "his time" against guys that looked very ordinary. Some were stiffs.

In the Joey Maxim fight, the media wanted us to believe that the heat did Robinson and not Maxim. What mularkey excuse. Maxim was in the fight, too. Maxim was also human.

I think of the great Sugar Ray Robinson as the most overrated fighter that I have ever seen on film. His inside game was GARBAGE AT BEST. Put him to fight the great Bob Foster and Foster would whupp him from USA to Japan and back to Harlem.

The two most complete fighters of his time, he didn't fought them. Did he ducked them?

Just insert that dick in his mouth and it would be more accurate.
The guy doesn't ride it he gobbles it. It is too funny reading his crap.

[oogiebe]

Robinson wouldn't beat Sugar Ray Leonard, either. He doesn't know how to fight inside. He lacked in that department. A 4/10 score fighting inside at best.

Watch his fight with Ralph "Tiger" Jones. Jones, a swarmed and brawler, gave him a shellacking. All because Robinson didn't know what to do in close quarters.

Carmen Basilio, the great fighter from Canastota also gave Robinson a shellacking. The same did the great Gene Fullmer. Fullmer always rushed in, and Robinson didn't have the capacity to fight an inside game fight.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have eaten him up for dinner. The same I think guys like James Toney and Mike McCallum would beat him. Their inside fame was way better than Robinson.

See, American people want to believe that this man was the most complete fighter ever. He looked very good for "his time" against guys that looked very ordinary. Some were stiffs.

In the Joey Maxim fight, the media wanted us to believe that the heat did Robinson and not Maxim. What mularkey excuse. Maxim was in the fight, too. Maxim was also human.

I think of the great Sugar Ray Robinson as the most overrated fighter that I have ever seen on film. His inside game was GARBAGE AT BEST. Put him to fight the great Bob Foster and Foster would whupp him from USA to Japan and back to Harlem.

The two most complete fighters of his time, he didn't fought them. Did he ducked them?

Just insert that dick in his mouth and it would be more accurate.
The guy doesn't ride it he gobbles it. It is too funny reading his crap.

[gilgamesh]

Every time that Robinson is in danger of mixing it up, he grabs and holds. He is not a great inside fighter by any means. He ain't gonna whip Duran in the inside.

You are a duran Dyke Ryder!!!
("Every time")

Robinson wouldn't beat Sugar Ray Leonard, either. He doesn't know how to fight inside. He lacked in that department. A 4/10 score fighting inside at best.

Watch his fight with Ralph "Tiger" Jones. Jones, a swarmed and brawler, gave him a shellacking. All because Robinson didn't know what to do in close quarters.

Carmen Basilio, the great fighter from Canastota also gave Robinson a shellacking. The same did the great Gene Fullmer. Fullmer always rushed in, and Robinson didn't have the capacity to fight an inside game fight.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have eaten him up for dinner. The same I think guys like James Toney and Mike McCallum would beat him. Their inside fame was way better than Robinson.

See, American people want to believe that this man was the most complete fighter ever. He looked very good for "his time" against guys that looked very ordinary. Some were stiffs.

In the Joey Maxim fight, the media wanted us to believe that the heat did Robinson and not Maxim. What mularkey excuse. Maxim was in the fight, too. Maxim was also human.

I think of the great Sugar Ray Robinson as the most overrated fighter that I have ever seen on film. His inside game was GARBAGE AT BEST. Put him to fight the great Bob Foster and Foster would whupp him from USA to Japan and back to Harlem.

The two most complete fighters of his time, he didn't fought them. Did he ducked them?

You're embarrassing yourself Elmer

Having a favorite fighter is all good. Pretending your favorite fighter is absolutely without flaw is the kinda thing you'd expect out of a 5 year old girl talking about her favorite member of a Boy band.

[keithmoonhangover]

At 154lbs and above, Robinson
At 147 and below, Duran

There is the possibility that Duran would quit. Isn't there? I mean, once a quitter, always a quitter.

What if the fight is in Panama City, Panama with the extensive heat? Would there be a possibility that Sugar Ray Robinson quit, also?

Once a heat quitter, always a quitter, right? Check mate!

Duran quit against Pat Lawlor. So it's a good job he's fighting Ray and not Pat.

[elmersalsa]

There is the possibility that Duran would quit. Isn't there? I mean, once a quitter, always a quitter.

What if the fight is in Panama City, Panama with the extensive heat? Would there be a possibility that Sugar Ray Robinson quit, also?

Once a heat quitter, always a quitter, right? Check mate!

Duran quit against Pat Lawlor. So it's a good job he's fighting Ray and not Pat.

Was Duran prime against Lawlor?

[elmersalsa]

You are a duran Dyke Ryder!!!
("Every time")

Robinson wouldn't beat Sugar Ray Leonard, either. He doesn't know how to fight inside. He lacked in that department. A 4/10 score fighting inside at best.

Watch his fight with Ralph "Tiger" Jones. Jones, a swarmed and brawler, gave him a shellacking. All because Robinson didn't know what to do in close quarters.

Carmen Basilio, the great fighter from Canastota also gave Robinson a shellacking. The same did the great Gene Fullmer. Fullmer always rushed in, and Robinson didn't have the capacity to fight an inside game fight.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have eaten him up for dinner. The same I think guys like James Toney and Mike McCallum would beat him. Their inside fame was way better than Robinson.

See, American people want to believe that this man was the most complete fighter ever. He looked very good for "his time" against guys that looked very ordinary. Some were stiffs.

In the Joey Maxim fight, the media wanted us to believe that the heat did Robinson and not Maxim. What mularkey excuse. Maxim was in the fight, too. Maxim was also human.

I think of the great Sugar Ray Robinson as the most overrated fighter that I have ever seen on film. His inside game was GARBAGE AT BEST. Put him to fight the great Bob Foster and Foster would whupp him from USA to Japan and back to Harlem.

The two most complete fighters of his time, he didn't fought them. Did he ducked them?

See, ladies and gentlemen. This is what I am always talking about.

When a guy draws a dick, especially in a forum, it tells me:
1. He thinks about dicks.
2. He is faggot, big time!

Come on out the closet, you queer! And stop drawing about dicks. It seems to me that you have ridden, suck and swallow a dick.

I gotta evade this faggot, his name oogiebie? I expected better than that from you, brother.

Get a pussy and stop asking and drawing for dicks. You disappointed me.

[elmersalsa]

Robinson wouldn't beat Sugar Ray Leonard, either. He doesn't know how to fight inside. He lacked in that department. A 4/10 score fighting inside at best.

Watch his fight with Ralph "Tiger" Jones. Jones, a swarmed and brawler, gave him a shellacking. All because Robinson didn't know what to do in close quarters.

Carmen Basilio, the great fighter from Canastota also gave Robinson a shellacking. The same did the great Gene Fullmer. Fullmer always rushed in, and Robinson didn't have the capacity to fight an inside game fight.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have eaten him up for dinner. The same I think guys like James Toney and Mike McCallum would beat him. Their inside fame was way better than Robinson.

See, American people want to believe that this man was the most complete fighter ever. He looked very good for "his time" against guys that looked very ordinary. Some were stiffs.

In the Joey Maxim fight, the media wanted us to believe that the heat did Robinson and not Maxim. What mularkey excuse. Maxim was in the fight, too. Maxim was also human.

I think of the great Sugar Ray Robinson as the most overrated fighter that I have ever seen on film. His inside game was GARBAGE AT BEST. Put him to fight the great Bob Foster and Foster would whupp him from USA to Japan and back to Harlem.

The two most complete fighters of his time, he didn't fought them. Did he ducked them?

Just insert that dick in his mouth and it would be more accurate.
The guy doesn't ride it he gobbles it. It is too funny reading his crap.

Another faggot. Hey, many faggots we got in this forum, my moderator. They prefer to talk about dicks than boxing?

Tiny_acres. Stick that dick in your ass! Faggot #3.

[elmersalsa]

You are a duran Dyke Ryder!!!
("Every time")

Robinson wouldn't beat Sugar Ray Leonard, either. He doesn't know how to fight inside. He lacked in that department. A 4/10 score fighting inside at best.

Watch his fight with Ralph "Tiger" Jones. Jones, a swarmed and brawler, gave him a shellacking. All because Robinson didn't know what to do in close quarters.

Carmen Basilio, the great fighter from Canastota also gave Robinson a shellacking. The same did the great Gene Fullmer. Fullmer always rushed in, and Robinson didn't have the capacity to fight an inside game fight.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have eaten him up for dinner. The same I think guys like James Toney and Mike McCallum would beat him. Their inside fame was way better than Robinson.

See, American people want to believe that this man was the most complete fighter ever. He looked very good for "his time" against guys that looked very ordinary. Some were stiffs.

In the Joey Maxim fight, the media wanted us to believe that the heat did Robinson and not Maxim. What mularkey excuse. Maxim was in the fight, too. Maxim was also human.

I think of the great Sugar Ray Robinson as the most overrated fighter that I have ever seen on film. His inside game was GARBAGE AT BEST. Put him to fight the great Bob Foster and Foster would whupp him from USA to Japan and back to Harlem.

The two most complete fighters of his time, he didn't fought them. Did he ducked them?

You're embarrassing yourself Elmer

Having a favorite fighter is all good. Pretending your favorite fighter is absolutely without flaw is the kinda thing you'd expect out of a 5 year old girl talking about her favorite member of a Boy band.

I got Duran losing at 154 and above. What are you talking about.

From 147lbs and down, to me, it's all Roberto Duran as the winner.

[tiny_acres]

Just insert that dick in his mouth and it would be more accurate.
The guy doesn't ride it he gobbles it. It is too funny reading his crap.

Another faggot. Hey, many faggots we got in this forum, my moderator. They prefer to talk about dicks than boxing?

Tiny_acres. Stick that dick in your ass! Faggot #3.

It's the 21st century. The term faggot is not the insult it used to be.
But a cockgobber like you should know that. Enjoy the taste of that Dick

[oogiebe]

Just insert that dick in his mouth and it would be more accurate.
The guy doesn't ride it he gobbles it. It is too funny reading his crap.

Another faggot. Hey, many faggots we got in this forum, my moderator. They prefer to talk about dicks than boxing?

Tiny_acres. Stick that dick in your ass! Faggot #3.

It's the 21st century. The term faggot is not the insult it used to be.
But a cockgobber like you should know that. Enjoy the taste of that Dick

He has even worse 'insults' than boxing knowledge.

[tiny_acres]

Another faggot. Hey, many faggots we got in this forum, my moderator. They prefer to talk about dicks than boxing?

Tiny_acres. Stick that dick in your ass! Faggot #3.

It's the 21st century. The term faggot is not the insult it used to be.
But a cockgobber like you should know that. Enjoy the taste of that Dick

He has even worse 'insults' than boxing knowledge.

NO sir. His boxing knowledge is worse than his insults.

[oogiebe]

It's the 21st century. The term faggot is not the insult it used to be.
But a cockgobber like you should know that. Enjoy the taste of that Dick

He has even worse 'insults' than boxing knowledge.

NO sir. His boxing knowledge is worse than his insults.

I stand corrected.

[HomicideHenry]

Hmm... interesting word, "faggot," as it has many different uses... the homosexual connotation of the word is more of an American creation than anything else, as the word in the original English literally meant a bundle of sticks.

This of course lost its meaning over time so when cigarettes became a big thing the original meaning of the word shifted over to them where people might say, "Let me bum a fag off you." The bundle of cigarettes replaced the bundle of sticks.

Then again the word was also a military term in the British army. If there wasn't enough men to fill a roster they would find enough men to fill the void and they were referred as faggots. A bundle of men.

Every time Christmas rolls around I'm reminded of that song by the Pogues entitled Fairytale of New York, which people have always mistakenly thought the use of the word faggot was meant in the homosexual sense but it's not. In Ireland that particular word meant somebody who was a useless person. So when Kirsty MacColl sings the words: you bum, you punk, you scumbag, you maggot, you cheap lousy faggot the context is quite clear as the song is about a man who lets a woman down because he is a drunk. Also in Ireland the word also can mean a mischievous child.

https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/67623

There are other meanings to the word but it generally means the joining together of sticks or rods or string, etc although in America it became a word strictly about homosexual men who were especially effeminate. But this seems to be a 20th century creation that goes back to 1905 originating in New York concerning theatrical productions.

[keithmoonhangover]

What if the fight is in Panama City, Panama with the extensive heat? Would there be a possibility that Sugar Ray Robinson quit, also?

Once a heat quitter, always a quitter, right? Check mate!

Duran quit against Pat Lawlor. So it's a good job he's fighting Ray and not Pat.

Was Duran prime against Lawlor?

Yes, 100%.

[elmersalsa]

Just insert that dick in his mouth and it would be more accurate.
The guy doesn't ride it he gobbles it. It is too funny reading his crap.

Another faggot. Hey, many faggots we got in this forum, my moderator. They prefer to talk about dicks than boxing?

Tiny_acres. Stick that dick in your ass! Faggot #3.

It's the 21st century. The term faggot is not the insult it used to be.
But a cockgobber like you should know that. Enjoy the taste of that Dick

You're still a faggot and a pussy to me. Faggot #3. Bye. I don't deal with homosexuals. Don't forget your next LBGT parade, you're a pussy hole!

Instead about talking about boxing, you and the other faggot oogiebie are talking about dicks? This is a social I'll. Don't go to Jamaica, batty boy! You might get shot for being a faggot as you are. You're disgusting! Out of my way! Go away!

[elmersalsa]

Duran quit against Pat Lawlor. So it's a good job he's fighting Ray and not Pat.

Was Duran prime against Lawlor?

Yes, 100%.

End of argument right here.

[elmersalsa]

He has even worse 'insults' than boxing knowledge.

NO sir. His boxing knowledge is worse than his insults.

I stand corrected.

You are a faggot to me. Two faggots against a man. Don't say a word about me anymore, faggot.

You draw the dick. That meant you think about dicks, you're a pussy. You ride dicks that's why you draw a dick in the forum? Disgusting. And the other faggots applaud like if it was a magnificent treat. This is insane. We got faggots that came out out the closet big time. And want to tag team luje a couple of pussies. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Be your own man, please.

[elmersalsa]

Oogiebie and tiny_acres. I didn't know about you that you were faggots. Come out of the closet like Elllen.

[keithmoonhangover]

Was Duran prime against Lawlor?

Yes, 100%.

End of argument right here.

Yeah, you're right. I won, I won, I won.