Harry Greb versus Roy Jones Jr.

[goose 5]

160 lbs. 12 rounds

[DrDuke]

Apart from a KO opportunity in some wild spurt, it's hard to see Greb winning a modern supplied athlete like Jones, with a number of advantages in terms of physique.

[gilgamesh]

No footage of Greb.

Can't break down the matchup.

Everybody's pick here is worthless unless they say the same thing.

[tiny_acres]

No footage of Greb.

Can't break down the matchup.

Everybody's pick here is worthless unless they say the same thing.

I keep saying the same thing when people mention the old timers. Have you seen them fight? No I read about it on the internet.
Hard to make a judgement off of an old news article probably written by someone as insane as Elmer. I need to see fighter to see their style, offense, defense durability and endurance.
Reading a record or an old news article doesn't give me a tenth of the info I need to judge a man like Greb.
Not saying he wasn't great. Just saying I need to see it.

[DrDuke]

No footage of Greb.

Can't break down the matchup.

Everybody's pick here is worthless unless they say the same thing.

I keep saying the same thing when people mention the old timers. Have you seen them fight? No I read about it on the internet.
Hard to make a judgement off of an old news article probably written by someone as insane as Elmer. I need to see fighter to see their style, offense, defense durability and endurance.
Reading a record or an old news article doesn't give me a tenth of the info I need to judge a man like Greb.
Not saying he wasn't great. Just saying I need to see it.

Of course, a lot of those descriptions and scores, that we can read, are subjective, but I find the info about how Greb won Tunney quite trustworthy. We saw Tunney enough and how else such classy fighter could be defeated, if not by swarming, fouling, etc?

[HomicideHenry]

Considering so many men from middleweight to heavyweight talked about how difficult it was to handle Harry Greb, and based on the man's record there's no need for fight films to evaluate him.

The man fought Gene Tunney five times, and according to the newspapers he should have won more than the one time that he did. We all know how gifted Tunney was on the basis of the fight films available and that he was a man who relied on speed and reflexes.

I figure it would take an all-time great swarmer who never took a backward step and never seemed to get tired with a great chin to take it to Roy Jones. That is essentially what Harry Greb was. Roy Jones was faster than Gene Tunney, but how much difference that would have made is really anyone's guess. We're not exactly talking about the Roy Jones who was the dominant light heavyweight champion here, but the version of Roy Jones who was slightly less although the middleweight Roy Jones was quite formidable with wins over Bernard Hopkins and James Toney.

But one can put an asterisk around those wins because context is everything. Hopkins was not quite yet the all-time great he would become and Toney was at that point in his career where self-discipline was becoming an issue for him. It would be a very competitive contest between Greb and Jones, and I think it would probably go something similar to his exhibition fight with Mike Tyson.

A lot of clinching on the part of Roy Jones to break up the momentum of Harry Greb. But it would be such a fast-paced contest that I don't think people would really care about Jones forcing clinches. In a one-off contest I would probably give it to Roy but in a series of matches I would probably give it to Greb.

[IRONFIST]

Harry Greb now that is a name from the past, I remember there were many threads dedicated to him on Boxing Central the forerunner to this Boxrec forum.

[emallini]

Jones inside 1 minute.

[scorpio83]

In the series match up, I think Greb pressure and swarming all over Jones with good punches from all angles to take a decision in 15 rounds, then Jones would use his speed and punching quick on the body and head from long range on Greb to take a decision in 15 rounds in their rematch and in the third match-up, Jones would not give Greb any space by landing lightning jabs and flurries to take a decision as Greb would give Jones a hard time during their matchup.

[gilgamesh]

No footage of Greb.

Can't break down the matchup.

Everybody's pick here is worthless unless they say the same thing.

I keep saying the same thing when people mention the old timers. Have you seen them fight? No I read about it on the internet.
Hard to make a judgement off of an old news article probably written by someone as insane as Elmer. I need to see fighter to see their style, offense, defense durability and endurance.
Reading a record or an old news article doesn't give me a tenth of the info I need to judge a man like Greb.
Not saying he wasn't great. Just saying I need to see it.

Of course, a lot of those descriptions and scores, that we can read, are subjective, but I find the info about how Greb won Tunney quite trustworthy. We saw Tunney enough and how else such classy fighter could be defeated, if not by swarming, fouling, etc?

Yes but knowing a guy beat somebody still doesn't tell you HOW he beat him.

HOW he beats somebody is what you need to now to judge how he'd fare against somebody else.