Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[keithmoonhangover]

Keeping wbc, lineal

Lennox Lewis is the Lineal Heavyweight Champion of the World.

Rocky Marciano.

Marciano vacated when he died, as did Gene Tunney.

[DrDuke]

I think a bit of perspective is needed for the Klitschko fight. Wladimir was old, had looked very poor in his fight before and Fury failed a PEDS test that year. I thought Fury boxed very well but surely there has to be an asterisk next to that win. (That being said, I wonder if most top athletes these days are enhanced in some way or other).

Wlad had a relatively safe career because of his pragmatic style and the competition, which his era was able to suggest, so he had much more left in him in comparison to many fighters of his age. Not to forget, how he would perform in his next bout. He was a heavy favorite over Fury for a reason and got outboxed the single time in his career.

And the PED stuff is a separate profound subject. Usually I don't pay attention to those failed tests, because "All of them on steroids", like a one wise man said. Vitali failed a PED test even while being in the amateurs. I doubt Wlad was different in reality. Not a single ATG had PED controversies for obvious reasons.

Not sure about Bowe, but Holyfield’s big bulk up was monitored by a Mr Olympia bodybuilding champion of all people. Lewis certainly bulked too towards his peak. Wlad bulked out of the Olympics. I can’t imagine many heavyweights would contemplate trying to compete at the top level without PEDs.

And not only HWs.

[tonyevs]

I do think Wlad was on the slide but I also think Fury boxed beautifully. He had a clear idea what he wanted to do and went out and did it.

Fury did look very underpowered in that fight despite the nice boxing. I would think that’s a negative tick against him actually being the GOAT.

The only person to not stop the fragile Wlad by stoppage ..

[HomicideHenry]

I do think Wlad was on the slide but I also think Fury boxed beautifully. He had a clear idea what he wanted to do and went out and did it.

Fury did look very underpowered in that fight despite the nice boxing. I would think that’s a negative tick against him actually being the GOAT.

The only person to not stop the fragile Wlad by stoppage ..

That's what so many people get wrong on the fight with Vladimir Klitschko. For years and years everybody kept talking about how great of a boxing tactician the Ukrainian was, and for Tyson Fury the goal in mind wasn't to try to knock out Klitschko but rather to outbox him and make him look silly.

To outbox a man deemed almost impossible to outbox was the challenge. Everybody else chased after the knockout and failed for the most part, but nobody ever really tried to outbox Vladimir Klitschko. So ultimately the approach Tyson Fury took was brilliant because not even Vladimir Klitschko saw that coming.

The man looked absolutely befuddled in between rounds as to what was happening to him. And not to say Fury didn't turn on the gas because it was either round 9 or 10 that Fury hit him and Klitschko went sprawling but him being Dr Octopus he was able to grab a hold of his opponent and stay on his two feet.

I've said it before and I'll say it again the Tyson Fury that stopped Deontay Wilder in the rematch had he fought that way against Vladimir Klitschko he would have knocked out Vladimir Klitschko.

[mickey1975]

I do think Wlad was on the slide but I also think Fury boxed beautifully. He had a clear idea what he wanted to do and went out and did it.

Fury did look very underpowered in that fight despite the nice boxing. I would think that’s a negative tick against him actually being the GOAT.

The only person to not stop the fragile Wlad by stoppage ..

Stop by stoppage? What about the 64 people he beat?

[olij999]

Fury did look very underpowered in that fight despite the nice boxing. I would think that’s a negative tick against him actually being the GOAT.

The only person to not stop the fragile Wlad by stoppage ..

Stop by stoppage? What about the 64 people he beat?

Think he meant "the only person to beat Wlad who didn't stop him". Don't think he was comparing Wlad to the great Eric Crumble - https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/5316 .

[HomicideHenry]

The only person to not stop the fragile Wlad by stoppage ..

Stop by stoppage? What about the 64 people he beat?

Think he meant "the only person to beat Wlad who didn't stop him". Don't think he was comparing Wlad to the great Eric Crumble - https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/5316 .

Probably the biggest mystery man in modern boxing history I've only seen one picture of Eric Crumble, and I tend to think that it was really an alias instead of a real name. There is a bit of a theory that multiple people in fact used the name Eric Crumble, since it was commonplace once upon a time in boxing where people were competing as somebody else.

Matter of fact an example of that can be found in the history forum concerning one of Gerry Cooney's opponents where in fact the matchmaker of the event fought under the name of the opponent that Cooney was supposed to face that night because the guy couldn't make it to the event.

There may very well have been an original Eric Crumble but multiple people used the name Eric Crumble to get a quick payday. But they were paid to be a designated loser so they had to lose while competing under the name Eric Crumble, that way nobody would ever get suspicious.

I'm reminded of that one man in the 1950s who was a sparring partner for Rocky Marciano but in later life he claimed to be Bob Satterfield and in fact he fought under the name Bob Satterfield on unsanctioned shows out on the West Coast.

[mickey1975]

Fwank seemed all business on the subject today. I think crunch time is nearly here.

[olij999]

Stop by stoppage? What about the 64 people he beat?

Think he meant "the only person to beat Wlad who didn't stop him". Don't think he was comparing Wlad to the great Eric Crumble - https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/5316 .

Probably the biggest mystery man in modern boxing history I've only seen one picture of Eric Crumble, and I tend to think that it was really an alias instead of a real name. There is a bit of a theory that multiple people in fact used the name Eric Crumble, since it was commonplace once upon a time in boxing where people were competing as somebody else.

Matter of fact an example of that can be found in the history forum concerning one of Gerry Cooney's opponents where in fact the matchmaker of the event fought under the name of the opponent that Cooney was supposed to face that night because the guy couldn't make it to the event.

There may very well have been an original Eric Crumble but multiple people used the name Eric Crumble to get a quick payday. But they were paid to be a designated loser so they had to lose while competing under the name Eric Crumble, that way nobody would ever get suspicious.

I'm reminded of that one man in the 1950s who was a sparring partner for Rocky Marciano but in later life he claimed to be Bob Satterfield and in fact he fought under the name Bob Satterfield on unsanctioned shows out on the West Coast.

Sounds like the stuff Jim Brady reported on in his excellent book, Boxing Confidential. Still one of the best boxing books I've read.

[cormack]

Dont ya know that boxing fans are ungrateful because they had to pay £26.95 to watch Fury Vs Chisora.

And very soon will have to pay £27 to watch AJ-Franklin.

maybe if nobody was doing naughty things like streaming the ppv would only be say £10

[tonyevs]

Fury did look very underpowered in that fight despite the nice boxing. I would think that’s a negative tick against him actually being the GOAT.

The only person to not stop the fragile Wlad by stoppage ..

That's what so many people get wrong on the fight with Vladimir Klitschko. For years and years everybody kept talking about how great of a boxing tactician the Ukrainian was, and for Tyson Fury the goal in mind wasn't to try to knock out Klitschko but rather to outbox him and make him look silly.

To outbox a man deemed almost impossible to outbox was the challenge. Everybody else chased after the knockout and failed for the most part, but nobody ever really tried to outbox Vladimir Klitschko. So ultimately the approach Tyson Fury took was brilliant because not even Vladimir Klitschko saw that coming.

The man looked absolutely befuddled in between rounds as to what was happening to him. And not to say Fury didn't turn on the gas because it was either round 9 or 10 that Fury hit him and Klitschko went sprawling but him being Dr Octopus he was able to grab a hold of his opponent and stay on his two feet.

I've said it before and I'll say it again the Tyson Fury that stopped Deontay Wilder in the rematch had he fought that way against Vladimir Klitschko he would have knocked out Vladimir Klitschko.

[HomicideHenry]

Think he meant "the only person to beat Wlad who didn't stop him". Don't think he was comparing Wlad to the great Eric Crumble - https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/5316 .

Probably the biggest mystery man in modern boxing history I've only seen one picture of Eric Crumble, and I tend to think that it was really an alias instead of a real name. There is a bit of a theory that multiple people in fact used the name Eric Crumble, since it was commonplace once upon a time in boxing where people were competing as somebody else.

Matter of fact an example of that can be found in the history forum concerning one of Gerry Cooney's opponents where in fact the matchmaker of the event fought under the name of the opponent that Cooney was supposed to face that night because the guy couldn't make it to the event.

There may very well have been an original Eric Crumble but multiple people used the name Eric Crumble to get a quick payday. But they were paid to be a designated loser so they had to lose while competing under the name Eric Crumble, that way nobody would ever get suspicious.

I'm reminded of that one man in the 1950s who was a sparring partner for Rocky Marciano but in later life he claimed to be Bob Satterfield and in fact he fought under the name Bob Satterfield on unsanctioned shows out on the West Coast.

Sounds like the stuff Jim Brady reported on in his excellent book, Boxing Confidential. Still one of the best boxing books I've read.

Prior to the Muhammad Ali Act in which federal IDs became the norm you could basically fight every day of the week and compete under different names. I'm reminded of Bruce Strauss who talked about having like 300 some boxing matches but BoxRec has only been able to account for maybe a hundred of them but by Bruce's own admission he fought under different names.

I'm good friends with Jerry Halstead and in one of my interviews with him he said that there was at least two or three matches missing off of his BoxRec record. People fought a lot more than people think back in the early 2000s and prior.

Like I said on another thread that I'm reminded of Reggie Strickland because he would travel around in a van with the fighters he managed and he would sell himself and his fighters to promoters as a package deal to fill up cards, and sometimes his own fighters fought each other on those cards and they would basically trade wins with each other that way they had wins on their records.

[gilgamesh]

Reggie actually probably made a pretty decent living doing that. Especially if he was managing other Journeymen as well. Boxing promoters and matchmakers are always looking for bodies to add to the card, and when they're matching young prospects, they're ideally not trying to match 'em too tough.

[HomicideHenry]

Reggie actually probably made a pretty decent living doing that. Especially if he was managing other Journeymen as well. Boxing promoters and matchmakers are always looking for bodies to add to the card, and when they're matching young prospects, they're ideally not trying to match 'em too tough.

It might be a romantic view on it all but I think that would have been quite the life to have lived really if one could have been a professional journeyman. Driving around with your gym buddies to compete on cards and everybody gets paid and keeps driving around the country, and you're learning more defense or offense as time goes on.

[KiwiRider]

Fwank seemed all business on the subject today. I think crunch time is nearly here.

I hope so, but it is Tyson Fury, so I'm expecting a d*ck around.

[Teddy's Toupee]

I do think Wlad was on the slide but I also think Fury boxed beautifully. He had a clear idea what he wanted to do and went out and did it.

Fury did look very underpowered in that fight despite the nice boxing. I would think that’s a negative tick against him actually being the GOAT.

The only person to not beat the fragile Wlad by stoppage ..

[big lennox]

[big lennox]

Hard not to think that Fury doesn't fancy his chances against Uysk. A shame for the whole sport if this fight doesn't happen, and a shame for Uysk, who just wants to do his job. Still, I guess, if the fight doesn't happen he will go down as the Unified Champion who made The Gypsy King run a country mile away

Must be tricky for Fury’s promoters trying to make the fight of the century if their client has lost his nerve.

[polecateddy]

I think it’s obvious Fury will avoid Usyk, Joshua and Joyce, and look to pick off ‘plodders’ for big paydays. At the back of his mind he must be worried of losing a lot of rounds against the Ukrainian.

[keithmoonhangover]

I don't believe for one second that any of the top fighters in any division are scared of another boxer. I do wonder if Fury is struggling to get motivated for this one. I think it's a fight he will lose.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[DrDuke]

I don't believe for one second that any of the top fighters in any division are scared of another boxer. I do wonder if Fury is struggling to get motivated for this one. I think it's a fight he will lose.

He tries to price himself out. He had an opportunity to fight Joshua twice, after the Wilder II bout and after Whyte, but they were unable to make a deal, first because of the obligation to whoop Wilder 3rd time, secondly because Joshua decided to take a longer vacation after Usyk II. Now Fury has a less marketable opponent in front of him and he tries hard to get paid more.

[big lennox]

In another interview, Uysk's promoter said:

*We have agreed terms for Saudi Arabia

*We have agreed terms for a Wembley fight

*All the TV network deals have been agreed.

*Fury's promoters are keen. We are all just waiting on Fury.

[Ruthless-RKO]

In another interview, Uysk's promoter said:

*We have agreed terms for Saudi Arabia

*We have agreed terms for a Wembley fight

*All the TV network deals have been agreed.

*Fury's promoters are keen. We are all just waiting on Fury.

George Warren said things are looking good when he was asked at the end of Saturday nights broadcast.

He expect big news soon. But gave no timescales.

[big lennox]

In another interview, Uysk's promoter said:

*We have agreed terms for Saudi Arabia

*We have agreed terms for a Wembley fight

*All the TV network deals have been agreed.

*Fury's promoters are keen. We are all just waiting on Fury.

George Warren said things are looking good when he was asked at the end of Saturday nights broadcast.

He expect big news soon. But gave no timescales.

According to Fury, at the same show, he is in limbo.